ED@EK

[Alconguin Crusader]

It has come to our attention that Captain Email himself has not paid his fair share of US taxes. As many of you know turning in a tax cheat is worth some reward money from the IRS.
It is easy enough to get our esteemed leaders Georgia address but what we need is his social secrutiy number. I know this is very difficult to obtain and very personal but I can't think of a better departing gift to the man who gave us so much.
The 14 weeks bonus from two years ago as well as his bonus from this year were not accounted for in full. We believe he got four weeks bonus this year when the working pilots at Emirates received nothing. I should not say nothing when we got our pay cut as well as lost of our ALT.
So this will be a double whammy for long haul ED. After he was fired from Emirates he will now have to pay back taxes, fines and penalties with interest. It could not happen to a better "man."
Feel free to publish his number here or PM me. Thanks for all of your help and keep thinking we only have 4 more months of the Arsehole.

[fatbus]

The 14 week profit share does not even come close to what he will need to pay for taxes on bonuses

[Schibulsky]

You guys are some mean f:mad:s!!
I love it:ok:

[typhoonpilot]

Bad idea. :=

It would draw the IRS's attention to all Americans working at EK and could have some very bad repercussions for your fellow American pilots.


Typhoonpilot

[Praise Jebus]

C'mon Typhoon, take a bullet for the team...

[PorkKnuckle]

It would draw the IRS's attention to all Americans working at EK and could have some very bad repercussions for your fellow American pilots.

TP, perhaps you should give the IRS more credit. I would guess they know all about US pilots working at places like EK because it's their job to know things like this and they're probably good at it.

It wouldn't help your cause, though, when fellow Americans like your very own Captain America put themselves in paid articles like this one (http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/06125/687811-28.stm):

He says pilots are "treated with respect in this part of the world. We're driven to work. We're put in four- and five-star hotels, on the concierge floors. Captains are treated as vice presidents of the organization."

[typhoonpilot]

Most of us cringed when that came out as well........and it has had repercussions.

I have no love lost for Ed, but I don't think being a rat for the government is the way to punish him. That's assuming the first poster's information is correct to begin with.

TP

[Cruiseclimb]

Be careful, Karma has a strange way of catching up with all of us.......

[southflyer]

...nothing to hide, nothing to fear....

[kiwi]

About time Karma caught up with a number of those in the high towers of EK. What they did to the F/O under training in the MAN incident alone deserves somthing like this.

[puff m'call]

Spare a thought for the Training Captain on the MAN flight as well, yes it was a cock up, but at no time was safety compromised.

They were made a example of because of what happened at MEL. :ugh:

We all have AAR to thank for that. :mad: :mad: :mad:

That man needs to go. :E

[Fred Garvin M.P.]

Southflyer, it's not about hiding for the rest of the US pilots, it's about how the IRS is currently trying to define what is the meaning of being outside of the US and how they define what international waters are. The more time they spend looking over here, the more it puts into jeopardy the tax free status of time away from the US.

[southflyer]

Fred,

The IRS is not "trying" to define the meaning of being outside the US or not. The have their definitions set in stone and have an all out effort to target all flight crews in the US and outside the US. Being outside for the presence test or the bonafide resident test is one thing. Being outside for determining the source of your income is a completely different issue. Even at the state level the efforts have started; California and Kentucky are vigorously trying to tax air crews that are based and/or fly over their territory for state income tax.

The hiding comment is directed toward reporting all your income, regardless of source or type; if you don't, and the IRS comes after you, you will be wide open for penalties, back taxes, and perhaps a visit to the can. If you have reported all your income and get audited, even with the bogus "international waters" issue, chances are you will owe nothing back, there are simple ways to beat the IRS at their game, just takes a little effort and a big cup of coffee. Been there done that.

Only thing that might help is if you voted for the current guy in office; socialist democrats get a pass on the tax cheating...

[CAYNINE]

If I had the number I would get Fed Ex to courier it directly to the IRS, nothing bar nothing is good enough payment for 2 years of this idiot, his lies and combatant, beligerant methods and attitudes especially to F/O's who are just trying to stay out of the spotlight and have a decent chance of a career.

[Thazright]

you einsteins could not report an errant fart to the IRS lest a tax evader... what u know about the IRS would get you arrested. get real and work on being better pilots... it's what u do best (according to the std deviation curve, lol)

[411A]

you einsteins could not report an errant fart to the IRS lest a tax evader...

LOL, probably correct.
In addition, US tax laws are quite useful vis-a-vis foreign earned income, all you need is a very good CPA to carefully prepare your tax return every year and use the system to its best advantage.
Been doing this for over thirty five years...and counting.
It is generally those that are not familiar with the internal revenue code that usually **** up.
Also, those perhaps considering slipping the IRS information about a particular individual, open themselves up to a rather detailed audit, if they are US citizens.

Which brings us back to original quote...
you einsteins could not report an errant fart to the IRS lest a tax evader...

[Alconguin Crusader]

Thanks to the two pilots who PM me about how to get ED S.S number. I tried and that did not work. We will keep on trying to stick it to the arsehole who sticks it so hard to us everyday.
Since Long Haul ED gets twice the bonus of 14 weeks that is some tax bill he failed to metion to the IRS. He also tried to slide under the radar on his bonus this year that he will probably fail to report. Don't worry ED we have your back! IRS alert

[helen-damnation]

that is some tax bill he failed to metion to the IRS

How do you know he failed to mention it to the IRS :hmm:

Get a life :ugh:

[NG_Kaptain]

I dont work for EK and , except for what I see here, I don't know Ed, but careful on what can of worms you open. US citizen are the of the only, or very few, groups that have to pay taxes in their home country when working overseas. This has the chance to have the microscope put on the rest of the US nationals working in the UAE.

[ugwhatajob]

Pilots/Aviators/?Professionals?/O' weary ones...

We are one of the few groups that will "cut off our noses to spite our faces".

Hopefully you are not taking too much of your precious personal time with friends and family to focus on this. It is not healthy.

Best to you and yours, I hope after he's gone Karma's long reach catches up with him, but don't make it at your or other's expense....please. The world is full of makeshift managers. Too bad that usually the replacements make us all long for the "good ole' days" eventually.:(

[Ahad Adump]

Wow, does blowing the whistle mean we can rid ourselves of ?:

Capt America
EGT's little puppy (Capt AB)
DP (777 TRE) - napolion syndrome
All US DEC's
All US over confident FO's

[InnocentBystander]

Wow, does blowing the whistle mean we can rid ourselves of ?:

Capt America
EGT's little puppy (Capt AB)
DP (777 TRE) - napolion syndrome
All US DEC's
All US over confident FO's

Looks like it's time for you to update that Easyjet application again. But I'm afraid they might be rejecting you again. Like everyone else did for the past ten years.

can't stand this BS anymore........................EASYJET!!!!!!!!!

I know. You've been trying. But even Easy is rejecting you. Must be tough being stuck at EK because nobody else would be hiring your sorry ass. Only hobby is name calling on pprune. Nice.

[Alconguin Crusader]

I want to again thank all the pilots that PM me about ED. I notified the IRS this week about ED and they were most interested in the 14 week bonus (X 4) that management received last year. They also wanted to know his annual salary which I don't know but I put it at $120,000.
The IRS will be following up on this matter and that is music to my ears.

[flaphandlemover]

:D:D:D:D:D:D


Finally we have somebody who thinks about a farewell present for our loved leaders...
After having endured this fine gentlemen leadership :yuk::yuk::yuk:

Thanks bro....:ok:
I am with you

But please be creative to all the leaders that will leave soon...
Rumors are heard, that it will be quite a few... AR,TC, AS,....

We will miss all gr:yuk:ly :{:{:{:{

[Oblaaspop]

Mate,

If you honestly think the departure of TC will be a good thing for this airline, you are a fool!

He may not be a particularly nice chap - apparently (though I have never met him), but he is 'kin good at running this BUSINESS... Who else is gonna do it? MF with his walking stick or Shk A with his weekly trips to CMN? Think about it!!

As for the others (especially AAR), the sooner they go the better IMHO!

[trimotor]

Concur with the thoughts about TC. Might not like what you hear sometimes, but he's no fool.

[woodja51]

I have had TC on the flight deck for a few hours some years ago.

My impression is that he, like all of us has certain political capital that he uses on a daily basis. Some fights he might win and some he might lose.

But I do think he deserves a lot of credit for the business position of EK.

I believe that if one could make a good business case he would be prepared to look at anything too by the way. But he did express concern about basings and unionism etc affecting the management.

I actually invited him up when he was on his way to Oz to discuss extra EK flights with Tony Albanese at the time.

He stayed for two hours like I said, and seemed happy to be up there and chatting to us.

HIs brother is a 74 skipper with BA I think so I do think he has some idea about pilot stuff - but then again a BA 74 skipper might have cast his opinions about all pilots in general too!!!

PS- I am not a company A** licker but gotta give credit where it is due even if you dont agree all the time...jeez what am I saying...!! sound like a liberal pinko!!


WJA

[GMDS]

I do agree about TC. He is a clever businessman and good salesman. He lacks the HR gifts though.
In business as in the military there is a common wisdom that leaders are good at certain things, less gifted at others. It is also know throughout the sports world that managers have some kind of expiry date.
TC was certainly good at building up EK, giving it a good brand.
Now that it is established, his time has come. He is not the kind of manager to sustain a successful business, some other characters are better suited for that. We need a breath of fresh air that can keep the team together. I know of no one that would belittle TCs success, but no one likes him. Not that this is a necessity in todays airline environement, but if you end up with leaders that anytime they publish something the subordinates experience a rush of bad adrenaline, then you have a problem. MF is senile, thus excused, TC hates pilots we therefore hate him, both seem to know the other's value though. It's another story with AAR. He is simply incompetent and irresponsible because untouchable. AS and ED are deplorable despots only.
With such a team it is not astonishing that people leave even without good perspectives, that people apply but don't show up. It is not the evil western media' it is home made from Dubai Inc and the abysmal leadership.

[JTrain]

For those of us who are non-EK, what is the story on this ED?

Thanks,

JT

[tbaylx]

He's an Ex shorthaul Northwest type. Was involved in teh union then management there and unfortunatley for EK saw fit to come to the sandpit. Notorious for writing ill thought out FCI's and in the running for the most unproffesional manager ever in aviation. Some of the email replies guys have got from him would be funny if they weren't so bad. He basically doesn;'t have a clue and goes out of his way to be a a**hole.

[CAYNINE]

Pretty much sums it up..... Did you miss lier? He was apparently (according to him) a long haul 747 pilot......:ok:

[BobDole]

He must be counting all those "hard hours" he logged playing with his "joystick" in that mircosoft flight sim game!

[mensaboy]

ED's biggest problem is that he lacks intelligence. He spends most of his limited brain-power on how he can be the best sycophant (a self-seeking, servile flatterer; fawning parasite) with little consideration for anything else.

ED is also in the running for;
-Least intelligent aviation manager ever
-President of the local chapter of ''Illiterates of America''
-Most foolish recruitment example at EK
-Only member of the Capt America fan club (you could write a book on these 2 guys)
-MISTER Delusional
- King of the Idiots

Even though ED is in his sixties, he was not hired for a 2 year stint. Clearly AAR saw in ED the qualities that he desired in a subordinate (a kiss-ass primarily) but also someone who is incapable of comprehending the reason he was hired. ED, sadly for him, was hired to be the message boy and take the brunt of the anger regarding stupid policies. I doubt ED even recognizes that fact now.

ED was asked to leave (retire, haha), as a face-saving gesture and reward for his inexplicable and disturbing need to-do-as-he-is-told! He would make a good General for a Bush government, yet a bad General in all other regards.


Rarely have I witnessed as many examples of stupidity and lack of understanding of even the basic principles of management, from one person. I don't wish ill-will upon this simple man because I don't think he is vindictive or mean spirited, but should the IRS take action against him, I won't shed a tear.

''ED is just not very smart'', which pretty much sums up his life.

He is a product of his upbringing and culture and for that we should feel more pity than anger, towards him.

[Dropp the Pilot]

"He is a product of his upbringing and culture and for that we should feel more pity than anger, towards him."

I will use that sentiment to temper my attitude towards you, I suppose. Ed has said a lot of excruciating things to me it is true, but at least he never displayed condescension to the degree of patiently explaining the meaning of "sycophant" to me.

You, sir, are a monotonous, splenetic tsunami of bilge-water.

Incidentally, it takes a little more than typing "Bush" in every one of your dreary posts to demonstrate the world-weary political sophistication to which you aspire.

[Pitch Up Authority]

Hello Dropp the Pilot

What culture were you brought up in ?

Did you choose your name yourself ?

I must agree however that if you pass the EK selection board you must be mentally sane unless a company doctor decides otherwise.

[White Knight]

Dropp - I have to agree with you.. As I've pointed out before Mensaboy is an oxymoron.. Mensa - do I need to patiently explain that one to you?? Interesting that you say you mean Ed no ill will - after all you did post a couple of weeks back that you wanted to kill him:rolleyes: or something along those lines:hmm:
Whatever Ed's failings I'm very happy NOT to fly with you Mensaboy - you would irritate me.......

[nolimitholdem]

Ah well, I guess you know what guys who have to fly with you feel like then. C'est la vie. (Rough translation, "That's life".)

I thought Dropp finally succumbed to his self-loathing and killed himself? Did someone else pick up the moniker?

On topic, who else is going to Ed's going-away party? I hope no one told him about it.

[millerscourt]

White Knight.

Of course you agree with Droopy because you are two of a kind in as much as you both reduce yourselves to the lowest common denominator in name calling which shows a lack of intelligence. Neither of you would qualify for joining a debating society for sure.

[oz in dxb]

ho hum, what was the thread about girls???

[TheyCallMeTrinity]

I totally agree we aren't generally a culture that rats out others. I suggest we leave the worthless ASR's and tax evasion non-sense to our "friends" down under. Culturally the are much better suited for excessive paperwork and pointless rhetoric.

On a lighter note, What's with Ed's; Howard Hughes in the later years look?

Edited for the posts I binned, EGGW

[typhoonpilot]

Wonder if this reply will disappear or not :oh:

Alconguin Crusader, you've done your fellow Americans at EK a huge disservice.

Bringing any tax issues up with the IRS can only lead to more scrutinization of all American pilots at EK, yourself included. Bad move brother.



TP

[4HolerPoler]

No reason for this post to disappear TP - it's level headed, offers an opinion and doesn't shoot off on a tangent with references to a Second World War era dictator (such as your previous post that was binned by my colleague).

This is a hot potato subject gentlemen - if you're going do duel do it in private please.

4HP

[lowstandard]

I thought DP didnt even have one ball. I heard someone put him away in a Jepp bag once by accident and on the ULR trips when the crew clean up the bunks he always ends up in the pillow closet.

[climbtofl410]

Ed's buddy Captain America holds an Irish passport and is using this document as a way to evade some IRS rules. (source: cpt America himself).

Tax avoidance is legal, tax evasion is illegal. This guy is too stupid to know different.

[IXNAT]

This thread should close. You are talking about identity theft trying to obtain someone's s.s. number. We don't know who you are A.C. and if you are in Mich. then you should know the ramifications of illegally obtaining someone's s.s. number. Your little vendetta could have in turn hurt ALL U.S. pilots here. Ask some NWA pilots fired for some tax issues and DAL pilots losing their home state exemptions when the company outed an MEC chairman to the IRS.

So again, this thread should close on legal grounds. Not a lawyer by any means but when you are soliciting personal information on an individual to bring about "proceedings" against them, the owners (whatever) of this web site could end up being held legally responsible by the "injured" party if personal information was obtained through these means. Maybe not, but why take the chance. AC, you have solicited federal personal information about an individual and PPRUNE.org is organization that has been complicit in this. Be careful where you tread boys.

[troff]

Right, boys, what were we talking about?
This great thread is becoming a "flamer".
Stick to the topic!
Tabernac!
T