Motorcycle stunt

[james ozzie]

The recent stunt of a modern day Knievel jumping a hovering helicopter refers. Would this be considered legal for the pilot flying? Or does it only become a problem if there is a pink shower?

[Dangly Bits]

I see a court date in his future! This guy is in some serious legal trouble indeed. I find it hard to believe that CASA would give any sort of approval for this to happen without a massive risk assessment. That risk assessment would not have allowed the camerman to be as close as he was in the photo's I saw yesterday.
Better get a lawyer Son, better get a real good one.....:=

[Aussie]

Missed it, they didnt play it here in EU. Anyone got a link ????

[tmpffisch]

Video - news.com.au (http://player.video.news.com.au/news/#0hh2ZD2Jvk_lQgat__HJG3zYuyUimDOo)

[remoak]

I find it hard to believe that CASA would give any sort of approval for this to happen without a massive risk assessment.

Why? It's a private op, why would they need a risk assessment?

The pilot is a grown-up and understands the risks.
The rider is a grown-up and also understands the risks.

Life, believe it or not, involves risk. Let these guys have their fun and make their own assessments of the danger. The less interference from CASA the better.

Flak jacket on... :}

[Pappa Smurf]

Bikes have been jumping choppers for years.This was the first backflip over one.
Momentum leaving the ramp will clear the chopper with ease.
Nothing dangerous at all unless he cocks up his landing on the ramp which is well clear of the chopper anyway.

[Disco Stu]

I didn't see any questionable flying from the helo. It was after all simply hovering.:ok:

As for the motorcyclist, let's just say I wouldn't do such a thing.:ugh:

Whilst I didn't see anything that should or could require CASA's involvement, I don't profess to understand that particular organisation. :confused:That's not to say some clever dick in CASA won't try to make a big deal (and a name for themselves) out of this.:=

Disco Stu

[tmpffisch]

It's more an illusion of risk more than anything else. The rider would have done that sized jump a million times, and simply introduced the heli to the equation to make it look risky.

[wheatbix]

As a commercial operation, both the company and pilot that flew the machine are highly experienced in unique operations such as this one. Apart from having CASA's approval, there were also several test runs.

Before you start criticising, you should at least know the details of the operation.

[BPH63]

I reckon some regulator should look into the dangerous use of this public transport vehicle - well overdue:ugh: WayOut Stunts Ltd - Promoting, managing and Orgainsing Stunts (http://wayoutstunts.com/23761/22597.html)

[DH 200']

The moto rider knows the risks more than anyone. Take a look at Travis skydiving without a parachute. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lDBrdl2sZWs)
Although... 5.1.2. A person or persons making a parachute descent shall wear an approved harness with at least two parachutes. Components of this equipment must have been manufactured to the standards required by CAO 103.18 I'm sure the states have a similar requirement too. :E

[Socket]

Anyone from Darwhine might recognise the big fella in the blue shirt towards the end of the clip.

[Orion Delta]

are you nuts?

[Ultralights]

Quote:
5.1.2. A person or persons making a parachute descent shall wear an approved harness with at least two parachutes. Components of this equipment must have been manufactured to the standards required by CAO 103.18
I'm sure the states have a similar requirement too.

are you making a "parachute" jump if you arn't wearing a parachute?

[tmpffisch]

An engine failure past v1, up the ramp could have made for a messy show.

He'd already have the inertia to complete the jump, and if not he'd just steer to the left or right and aim for clear ground. Or am I wrong?

[remoak]

C'mon guys, it's Travis Pastrana. He'd just do a quick heelclicker followed by an inverted superman, ditch the bike and backflip onto the other ramp...

[the air up there]

hey socket, :ok:, well spotted. Any idea what his replacment is like?

[Dangly Bits]

"He'd already have the inertia to complete the jump"

Not if his forks had a failure on the up slope, or the chain broke and caught in the spokes, or an engine failure causing a compression lock, or a handle bar failure, or...... The list is extensive. I certainly would not have had that cameraman anywhere near where debris could have hit him had something gone wrong.

I wonder how far a piece of main or tail rotor could fly if the helicopter had drifted the couple of metres backwards into the landing ramp?

Don't get me wrong, it was an impressive stunt, however I would love to see the risk assessment.

Dangly.

[aileron_69]

You're all getting waaaaaaaaaaay too old!! Stop being such spoil sports!! Alternatively, im sure CASA would love to give you all jobs as the "fun police"

[Runaway Gun]

Can someone tell me exactly what a risk assessment is anyway?
Or what the point behind one is?

The risks seem fairly obvious.... Honest question.

[layman]

A year or 3 back an implosion in this nations fair capital was treated as a public circus. Perfectly safe said everone, although the family of Katie Bender (12 years of age - more than 400 metres from the implosion) probably no longer believe this. She died when the implosion went slightly (horribly) wrong ...

Motorbikes and helicoptors makes for an impressive stunt but not something to be conducted without a very large safety exclusion zone. I don't know the number, but I wonder what the lethal radius of debris would be? Certainly the photopgrapher and the observer, probably the camera angle we see it from, and the people he rides past to get to the ramp, and possibly even the ferry a couple of hundred metres away on the harbour.

Risk assessment - what can go wrong, the likelihood of the event occurring, the impact if it does. Engine stutter on motorbike 1/2 second before leaving ramp. Highly unlikely. Probably multiple fatalities if it occurs. Rating: high risk. Risk mitigation: large exclusion zone (and probably not on Sydney harbour shoreline).

regards
layman

[Dangly Bits]

Put simply Runaway and to add to what Layman has said.

IDENTIFY Are people, environment or assets exposed to potential harm? What could go wrong?
ASSESS What are the causes and consequences? How likely is it? How bad will it be? What is the risk?
CONTROL Can the causes be eliminated? Is there a better way? How can it be prevented? How effective are the controls?
RECOVER Can the potential consequences be limited? What recovery measures are needed? Are recovery capabilities suitable and sufficient?

[remoak]

I hereby assess the risk as "nominal". Let's move on... or have we become so anal and politically correct that we actually give credence to such nonsense?

Like any motorsport event, if you are there, you accept the risk. If you don't want to take any risks, wrap yourself up in your feather duvet and don't eat your food with sharp implements. And never, ever go flying, because who is to say that your engine will not fail and you will, as a result, crash into a school, killing hundreds of innocent children?

Nothing is without risk, despite what the fun nazis would have you believe...

[aileron_69]

Amen Brother!!

[Led Zep]

Life is dangerous, that's why no one survives it.

[mickjoebill]

Anyone care to muse on the location and degree of forces involved through the downward draw of air through the rotors?


Mickjoebill

[gutso-blundo]

Yup.
Woulda, coulda, shoulda, might have...

You keep living by those rules and you'll grow old before you decide its safe to leave the house. Life is fleeting. Enjoy it. Once its over you don't have to worry about picking up the pieces :ok:

[Lodown]

Pussies! When I was in my 20's, I took a soft tail Harley over two hovering choppers (one on top of the other) with a 707 overhead while smoking a cigarette with a girl on my lap, a beer in the cupholder and no helmets. The cameraman was so flabbergasted that he forgot to shoot film and the Harley being a Harley didn't have a second jump in it.

[Bell_Flyer]

Ok then, in the spirit of Monty Python, the Yorkshiremen and their toughest childhood...

Lodown, you were lucky to have a motorbike. When I was 12, my father forced me to jump a unicycle over 12 hovering Chinooks, 10 F-111's with afterburners on, in the middle of the night with no lights, stark naked, wearing dark sun glasses, hands tied together, in winter; I had to land in shark infested murky waters, wrestle a big white shark, all the while an Apache helicopter with a mini-gun tried to shoot me.

And the kids of today ....

[Arnold E]

Arr come on. I'll believe most things, but saying you were "stark naked" is pushing it too far:E:E

[aussiefan]

You lucky, lucky bastid!

When I was a boy we used to dreeeeaaaammm of a unicycle!

I used to get up before I went to sleep, then I had to crawl up a ramp covered in broken glass, climb onto the blades of the hovering helicopter, when I got to the other side I had to get run over by 15 sumo wrestlers on motorbikes, then go for a swim with the crocodiles, if I was lucky dad would belt me with a slightly comatose CASA official (that was all he could find) then I would go home to sleep in a potato sack.....

[mcgrath50]

Luxxurry!

I wasn't allowed to sleep, had 1000LL for breakfast, I carried a 707 up a ramp of broken glass, through a jet engine and into a sea of hungry great white sharks, I then had to run up the stairs into the control tower, work a double shift, come back down and do it all over again.

And if you told the kids of today that, they wouldn't believe you

[Lodown]

...........rotflmao............

:}

[maxwt]

I agree with Dangly Bits. I don't ever go outside because the sky might fall in.

[Dangly Bits]

That's nothing.

Back in my day I once was forced into the cockpit of a Tonka Truck, towed behind a 747 to gain speed before screaming up a ramp made from Great White Sharks to soar through the air, jumping over 21 CASA officials.... but I didn't make it. I got as far as the first CASA official who gave me 11 RCA's and grounded me pending a show cause notice....

Yep they get is so easy these days.....

[james ozzie]

Right, this is getting silly now. What's needed is a good dose of military discipline. By the right, camp it - HUP!