Cost of ATPL

[inandout]

Can some one please post how much in Australia it would cost in time and money to get a ATPL.

[Sqwark2004]

All depends on where you go.

I did all 7 subjects in 6 1/2 weeks with AFT. Studied Met. before I got there, attended 6 weeks of class and did the 4 more difficult exams, then did Law and HF the following Thurs / Fri.

Can't remember the costs but there is accom. available within walking distance about $110-$130 / wk from memory. They also had a deal with a local bakery to provide 3 meals / day at set cost, alternatively there is Bi-lo close by.

The classes were very thorough and the practice exams were almost spot on.

There are other providers out there but I have not dealt with them.

Try contacting them at

Welcome to Advanced Flight Theory (http://www.aft.com.au/afthome.htm)

to get a more detailed run down.

Hope this helps.

[Aussie]

Geez, almost sounds like ya advertising for them! :}

However, i used a couple books from AFT likewise, and highly recommend them too! Very good material and was well prepared for exam!

[Howard Hughes]

There are two ways to do your ATPL subjects, both end up costing about the same in the long run!

The quickest way is to learn with a theory provider like AFT!;)

[Andy365]

What about Bob Tait would this school cut it as good as with AFL?

[training wheels]

I did the distance learning course at AFT and found them to be great. The fulltime ground school course is $2940.00.

Previous poster above has posted the link to their website, but here's a direct link to the cost page. Click it, and it'll reveal the information you need for your HR department;

ATPL Aeroplane Theory Course - Distance Learning Course (http://www.aft.com.au/atplacoro.htm)

[inandout]

T Wheel, thanks however I was also looking for aircraft costs as well . ie total cost to get a ATPL.

[SM227]

err... lets see, 1500* $500=$750,000. good luck :ugh:

[training wheels]

T Wheel, thanks however I was also looking for aircraft costs as well . ie total cost to get a ATPL.

inandout, here are the requirements (http://www.casa.gov.au/scripts/nc.dll?WCMS:STANDARD::pc=PC_90022#atpl) for the issue of an ATPL.

Applicants must

* be at least 21 years of age
* be able to speak, read and understand the English Language
* hold or be eligible to hold a flight radiotelephone operator licence
* have passed a written examination (current exam consists of 7 parts)
* hold or have held a command multi engine instrument rating
* have a total of 1500 hours flight time including at least
*o 750 hours in aeroplanes of which 250 must be as pilot in command (may include up to 150 hours acting in command under supervision)
o 200 hours cross country
o 75 hours instrument flight time
o 100 hours at night



So, basically, you'll need to get your CPL first where you'll finish up with 150 or 200 hours TT (depending on whether you do an integrated course or not).

After that, then you start building your experience working firstly in GA until you have the minimum 1500 hours TT. Whilst doing that, hopefully, you would have done the minimums stipulated above, eg 200 hours cross-country, 75 hours IF and 100 hours at night.

You also need to pass the ATPL theory subjects I referred to in my previous post.

After all that, you can then apply for the ATPL.

Hope this helps.

[Howard Hughes]

If you are starting from scratch, it'll cost you the best part of $100k to get your CPL, instrument rating and ATPL subjects, then all you need to do is get the other 1300 hours towards your ATPL!

Of course you don't need your ATPL to be an F/O, but you do need it before you can get a command.

Cheers, HH.:ok:

[inandout]

How many hrs required for the CPL. Thanks

[Howard Hughes]

The minimum is 150 if you do an 'integrated course'.

[OpsNormal]

Inandout, I'm confused and in fact smell a rat.... In some recent posts you make out that you are already flying heavy metal and yet you are asking questions about basic requirements of licences that are/is... 1. freely available on the CASA website and, 2. very similar (except for the flight test, however that has been supposedly coming for the past 5 years) requirements to most other countries for ATPL etc.

If you already have an ATPL from another country that you require to use in Australia then I would suggest it could be simpler getting CASA to just validate your current licence (which may require you to merely sit an Air Law examination at a minimum).

Suggest you check here: Civil Aviation Safety Authority - Home (http://www.casa.gov.au)

Yet I notice that you also seem rather critical of CASA in some of your recent posts....:rolleyes::rolleyes:

Dunno, couldn't care less, have a lovely day!

Regards,

OpsN.;)

[The Green Goblin]

Perhaps he has a fleet of caravans and is training to be a Qantas pilot :p

[DH 200']

1970? I hope you've got your age wrong then...:ugh:

[The Green Goblin]

There really has been some characters on here of late. Keep up the good work fellas! Keeps these boards interesting!

[On Guard]

I'm interested, how did you get a job with VA with no ATPL and little experience by the sounds of it? Not knocking just interested.

You must have neededa CASA CPL, subjects a preference, Most guys had at least 1000hrTT

[training wheels]

inandout, your post came across as someone who had absolutely no idea about how it all works, thus explaining my response which was directed at the "newbie with no idea" level. It's a surprise to me (and others too, it seems like) that you actually have an ATPL, thus the further questions. I still don't understand what you mean by;

T Wheel, thanks however I was also looking for aircraft costs as well . ie total cost to get a ATPL.

what total aircraft cost to get the ATPL?

[inandout]

:) Tw, what I was after is the total cost of getting an ATPL today. So some starts from nil hrs to 1500hrs, what would that cost if you paid for all those hrs and courses yourself, lets say using Pa 28 and Pa44.

[maverick22]

So some starts from nil hrs to 1500hrs, what would that cost if you paid for all those hrs and courses yourself, lets say using Pa 28 and Pa44.

A hell of a lot! Generally people don't pay to get a full ATPL. You get a CPL + MECIR + ATPL theory (frozen ATPL essentially) and then get a job to gain the required hours.

Not sure what a CPL+MECIR is these days, maybe $80, 000. Plus the AFT ATPL course. Might be another $3500 including exams. At this point you would have around 200ish hours. So then you would require another 1300 hours to meet the ATPL requirement (1300 multiplied by the current rate of whatever aircraft you wanted to do the hours in).

Sounds ludicrous to me:confused:

[The Green Goblin]

You're going to be out of pocket at least $390,000 with no operational experience, no employment history, no references from a chief pilot or any check captains and this figure is based on a cheap single. You'll need 500 multi to be employable on something 'regional' or unofficially with the majors and the earning prospects are hardly worth that investment.

Go buy $500,000 in kino tickets! You may at least win a million :cool:

[Metro man]

If you are looking at off the street to right seat on an A320/B737 it will come to about $100 000 in direct out of pocket expenses.

You will probably be looking at years in lower paid jobs and a few moves while you gain the experience most people have when joining an airline. This cost could be low if you get taken on fairly quickly and upgraded in a reasonable time, spend ten years in GA and it will be considerable.

Also factor in no pay for 12-18 months while learning.

Now compare all that with using your $100 000 to buy a property and getting a job as a train driver ,which covers all your training costs, pays a training wage and gives you around $80 000 annually after a three years on the job.