- Cabin Crew forced to be in company accommodation 12 hours before duty. A mass cabin crew termination (believed to be 60) in the last few days for non compliance with this enforcement.
- Cabin Crew forced to be in company accommodation by 3.30 am on a day off.
- Cabin Crew accommodation patrolled by CCTV, Security Guards and an ID Card swipe system
- Cabin Crew not allowed to leave Qatar for 6 months (effectively held prisoner in the country) if reporting back from days off at home inside 12 hours before duty. Policy enforced with an ID Card swipe system
- Cabin Crew must obtain prior permission from CEO if they want to get married.
- OCC employee terminated on the spot. Collapsed, 2 ambulances called, rushed to hospital.
- Senior Captain with 13 years service terminated for drinking a bottle of Evian water.
- Croatian Captain humiliated in the simulator. Instructions for a "chop ride" from senior management. QR career over for marrying a cabin crew. Human rights organisations contacted.
- First Officers not upgraded because of out of work relationships with Cabin Crew.
- Terminated First Officer who bought property in Doha now barred from leaving the country. Wife trying to sell family home in native country to pay off debts.
- Confidential CVR data made available to non technical senior management.
- CS terminated without gratuity for partying on a layover. Reported to senior management after pictures appeared on Facebook.
- Doha bars now require ID Card swipe system. They are watching who you are with and what she is wearing.

More to follow.....

who care about cabin crew been terminated, they deserve it, all they can do is report pilot for drining Evia, orange juice or eat nuts, what goes around comes around:D

All you mention is 100 % true . I been here for some time and i saw it all .
I am sure that there is international institution where this complains could be addressed . If this do not work a press is always an option . If not in Qatar then out of Qatar and when few newspapers start to publish the true about human rights in Qatar i am sure Qatar authorities will act and remove the lunatic .

Fubaliera, you really are an idiot!!!

I posted the universal human rights charter that basicly coincides with the list of the rights EK will violate once you will be a captive in their hands victim of a fraud having believed the blatant bullshit they tell people during their interview,and it was removed by some of the moderator. I cannot find it anymore.
There is a freedom of speech issue even on PPrune.

Fubaliera - you aren't seriously trying to get to EK are you? As you cite on other threads? 'Cos I can tell you that attitude don't work at EK:rolleyes:

If the universal human rights charter is taken off the thread here on pprune, how about Fubaleira? Should'nt this person be taken off the site too? Such an attitude and opinion have no place on a professional pilots forum. Period.

There was no removal of a "Human Rights Charter" from this website - stay away from the conspiracy theory please, but most of all please quit beating up on each other.

4HP

Cant believe an industry leading magazine such as Flight Intl. had the chief of QR listed as one of the candidates for the "Best leader" in the industry award this year.

Are they really blind or did QR's money even manage to corrupt this magazine as well?

Lets see how many votes he gets....

Human rights in QR: Never heard of...

Well , if its any conserlation . I have a friend who was scheduled to travell on Qatar ( with a group from his company). He,s the CEO of a fairly large company. They were to try Qatar (all the advertising about being 5* and all of that.) Well I referred him to this post and he said first thing tomo he will be changing/cancelling all reservations and put an embargo on any in his company ever travelling with Qatar on bussiness.

Small I know but its worth 100 seats a year to QR. The word is spreading.

I think the best solution would be the press. This guys are p##:mad:##ies :}when they even smell a tiny scandal. It's the only way they would ever stop. That place is there place, and for them is there way or no way. So let the news roll . 10-4. All powerful Media!:D

I know some cabin crew who would love to talk about "PROMOTION flights" and special offers after the dinner and flowers and LV bag in hotel.

Press sometimes have a lot of PWR on major decisions and policies .
Little small man is not important at all in Qatar thats why they let him do this dirty things but he is also showing a bad face of locals therefor maybe he could fall from his levitating cloud .

Remember one thing one he fall down Qatar will announce a national holiday and give free biryani to workers .

You should know that human rights is just not an issue in Qatar.

Qatar based companies do not care about such things because they KNOW that there is no effective follow-up for those employees who have cause to complain.

Mangement are not interested in your complaints, even if they are justified.

In Qatar you either put-up and shut-up, or you leave the job.

That's the way it is! :sad:

stick to the rules (that you have accepted in first instance) and like in any other airline you should be fine,that's my guess !

quite amazing to have on the ME forum a thread about "how to get in" and this present thread on how QR is careless with regards to human rights......:confused::confused::confused:

Common guys...Don't worry..We have a NATIONAL human rights commitee in doha....!!!:}:} Welcome to the National Human Rights Committee. (http://www.nhrc-qa.org)
No.. it's not a joke....!:uhoh:

stick to the rules (that you have accepted in first instance) and like in any other airline you should be fine,that's my guess !


The 'rules' which you agree to in first instance have a habit of changing very fast in this part of the world, and the change is always in the managements favour.

Welcome to the Gulf! :eek:

Carjockey,

The rules in the Gulf are better than where you come from.

Rules are good when they are agreed to and observed by all concerned parties.

Making changes to the agreed rules without the consultation and agreement of all concerned parties is the same as moving the goalposts during a football match.

Don't you agree? :confused:

loc22550, The NHRC is funded by the Qatari regime, a GONGO (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GONGO) by definition.

The only truely independent Qatari NGOs are registered overseas as they're forbidden from operating within Qatar's jurisdiction.

NotCanada.com | The Truth About Immigration To Canada (http://www.notcanada.com)

Loopy, how exactly does Canada's immigration policy have anything to do with civil and employment violations in Qatar?

Well let me spoon feed you. The notion is social justice and human right, if Canada

Canada,The World's Best Country To Live In (http://www.english-vancouver.com/canada-human-development/)

What can you expect from ……

Where is the new thread i saw (briefly)last night about all the "honest" thinks happening in Qatar Airways..., seems to be well well detailed and the guy who posted it seems to be well informed....
But unfortunatly the thread" Mysteriously Vanishes "during the night....?:confused:
Let's hope the autor will be back with some explanations if he has...

Regarding last night Thread

I am in negotiation with PPRuNe admin for the thread let hope it goes well.

:):):):):):)

Thanks for the info!Negotiating with pprune Admin...??:confused:
Good luck anyway.

What are you getting at when you say:
"I know some cabin crew who would love to talk about "PROMOTION flights" and special offers after the dinner and flowers and LV bag in hotel."

Casting couch?

TruthDares,

Questions are being asked about that Black Magic Thread on the other ongoing thread :):)

Makes one wonder about human rights on the internet and PPrune as well now, isnt'it?

As far as I can remember freedom of speech is one of the basic human rights as well.

So where is that post?:mad:


Truth dares: why dont you just post it again? you can use my login if you want. Just send me a PM....

I found the post but, as I have been banned several times in the past, I can not post it here.

However, there is a solution.



1) Go to GOOGLE
2) Search "Black Magic Pprune"
3)Once the results appear, dont go to the link but click on "CACHED" below the link
4) Et voila, there it is in all its uncencored glory.

You will LOVE IT!

And it explains an awfull lot about what happend to Z. It all makes sense now, in its own disgusting and dirty way!

And by the way, there are references to people....many references!

Thanks to JH for sticking to his principles:ok:

TruthDares, I loved your black magic post!
please keep the posts coming.
TruthDares is a hero :ok:

I aslo thought TD's post was vv good - lets have more. Why the censers they took it down as it is 100 % accurate. Lets have more.

Well we are all doing somthing about it i can see.
I also spoken to a Qatari guy who is owner of a big shop and he knows about AAB and he told me he is willing to pay Etihad tickets for his staff regardless of price difference.

S.D i saw him in flight ops and i saw how 1 person didnt want to shake his hand and told gim to ...... off for what he did . I guess S.D lost thrust of many people .

H.M just call my friend and told him he can not become IRP as he had 11 days sick leave in 1 year .
What a sick man is this guy stay at night in office and count people sick leave . As he say ( it does not look good to me ) when he want to tell an F/O that they will not get promoted .

A.J walks around and smile : anytjing you need just come over to my office . ( cool and after that he relay order for SIM chop ride )

R.N British guy already resigened 4 times and rejoined and now he ordered delay in Cpt upgrades till mid next year .

Hi there !
Unfortunately now the tread is totaly gone. Read it few days ago with the above mentioned method.
Today this doesn't work anymore.
Anybody any solution ?

A Akbar
A Always
B b......t

How did AAB buy HP laptops ? Easy laptops price was 2500k but he buy it for 5000 qr . ha ha where is the difference ?
If you want to know all informations from Cabin crew department just be a friend with any Southafrican who is good friend with P.O Elias wife friend and you will know it all . She will even Email it to friends .

Salia managed to get rid of Bandula . Snake bite again !

Some TRE are cleared for 777 soem are not cleared from CEO . Wow what a nice enviroment to work .

Lets go for a promotion flight and get some L.V bag

Appernetly I can't find the black magic thread anymore.
Mods what's going on? I thought freedom of speach was what this forum was about. :(
Please ellaborate.
thanks

With the risk of getting banned to Pprune HELL forever, here we go:

This is not my post, I just copied it from somebody else.

Qatar Airways has some serious problems and going towards a very dangerous direction, firing, downgrades and warning letters are daily routine of the flight ops managements, job security does not exist at all,

1)Recently we received a very interesting Air Crew Notice which says crew meals will be served using economy service equipment in aluminum foils and plastic cutlery the size will be 274 X 381 mm on a melamine tray and so on, a full A5 page talking about this rubbish come on get along with life what are we talking about, are you that ridicules, silly and cheap, where is the 5 stars airline.

2)Few years ago one captain was downgraded and his F/O was asked to leave based on the DFDR, unstable approach in JNB, in QA the DFDR is a punishment tool and not safety improvement tool, where is QCAA (Qatar Civil Aviation Authority) IOSA and FAA from all of this.

3)One on our captains got fired (last month) based on a DFDR, while he wrote an ASR admitting the mistake, so in QA when you do an approach you have two pressures the pressure of the approach and the pressure of being fired.

4)Within the last two months 6 pilots including number 3 above were suspended based on DFDR (safety improvement system) or shall we call it job-sacking system?

5)The CEO (oops sorry his Excellency that’s how he likes to be addressed) asked the flight operations to fail a captain, because he did a big mistake by getting married to an ex cabin crew without the blessings of the CEO, in the 5 stars world you must take the approval of the CEO, so he talked to AJ our EVPOordering him to fail this captain, in his next sim check and the answer was off course sir not a problem at all, consider it done.

So AJ talked to HM the fleet manager of the A330/A340 (or shall we call him BM, you will get to know what BM means later in this article) to chop this captain head in his next recurrent, as the fleet manager A320 was away on leave & FM A330/340 was acting on the behalf of the FM A320.

By the way BM is married to a cabin crew why was he ok while the captain who they failed was not ok to marry cabin crew, it must be the black magic effect?

There was a lot of allegation to FM A320 that he was the one who did the dirty work I think he deserve an apology from those who might have posted some of those accusations.
So HM now talks to the TRE who is doing the session captain JH ordering him to fail captain Z in his sim, check but captain JH refused to do the dirty job.

Many thanks to you sir (JH), well done at least there are still some good, honest, professional pilots in this dirty place,

But guess what they removed JH and brought one person willing to do anything for a position, no dignity, no self respect, his name is SD the Italian and he failed this captain Z in the check, shame on you, Let us try to tell you something, (SD) one day the same thing will happen to you, one day you will suffer the same way, we hope this day is soon.

SD does not represent the Italian in his act, as I know a lot Italians who will never do this dirty work.

The captain who was failed by SD has an excellent record, all of his sim, checks + line checks grade 5 (5= very good).

Now the question is WHO IS NEXT? WHERE IS THE QCAA(Qatar Civil Aviation Authority)?


6)A very senior captain in the airline almost 14 years in service with the 5 stars airline was fired or actually he’s been asked by the CEO (oops sorry his Excellency)to resign because of a bottle of water (waaaw this is a big crime should be hung and not only fired), the captain asked for a bottle of Evian water a CSD reported him by the way this is something very normal in the 5 stars world that the cabin crew report the deck crew and report each other’s report, report, report, report anything, everything, report anybody but just report,

The more you report the quicker is your promotion, and off course the better the flights you will get, the cabin crew after a long night flight the first thing they must do after they check in the hotel is to send a report to the headquarters, what do they report?
a)Did the capt, do a PA or not?
b)What did the deck crew eat?
c)Did they have the hats on or not?
d)How was the landing? And so on.
This is the atmosphere at the world’s 5 star airlines.

7)We have been promised for the last 5 years with the pension scheme because the 5 stars airline do not have one but they are still working on it, every meeting the CEO says we are working on it and you will have the best scheme ever, yea yea yea, we think in Qatar airways they are trying to invent the wheels, there are hundreds of European (not Indian) companies specialized for different schemes

8)Education allowance is a big joke QA the five stars airline pays total of 50,000 QR for the education of 3 children, which is, not even enough for one child. AA (SHJ) pays 75,000 EY(AUH) 120,000 & EK(DXB) 150,000 but we are special deluxe fastest growing airline, why we only get 50,000?

9)The 5 star airline is accommodating their crew in a 3 stars hotel thanks to Speedy Gonzales the new ADMIN manager he is well known among all the Latinos and thanks to captain, FP the one who brought him to the five stars world, we have enough idiots we do not need more, we can write a book about Speedy Gonzales latter we will tell you about all of his dirty work, all the damage he did to other airlines and to the pilots.

10)Uniforms now they issue the uniform every 18 months before was every year provided that you MUST bring the old uniform back to them and if the Indian gentleman decides that the old uniform is still in good condition he will not issue a new one, what a five star airline.

Q A flight ops management
•AJ EVPO, I will do anything & everything but please keep me in my position please, I do not hear, I do not see, I do not talk what a lovely person.

•HA, CPF only in the company for a few months coming from Gulf Air everybody hated him over there, was QA DCP B777 and now the CPF you do not have to guess he knows how do all the dirty stuff, he has a degree in a**s kissing + a PHD in doing all the dirty work.

•HM A330/340 fleet manager or shall we call him BM (Black Magic),honestly one hell of a manager, he is unique.
A little back ground on the Black magic issue as promised earlier in the article:
HM is doing black dark magic in morocco for any one he does not like or he feels that he is a threat to him or to his position; he has his own people (F/O,s) that he sends them regularly to Casablanca with names and the photos of the pilots which he wants to harm them & get rid of them. He has done it to some of the management pilots, his Excellency and AJ knows about the black magic. WHO IS NEXT?To be on the list going to casa


a)BM is a very close friend to HA !!!!! They are very much alike they do all the dirty work together.



b)BM is willing to do anything to be in a position, any position but to be in control, no personality no management skills what so ever no experience, likes to show off, evil, mean, low, dishonest, and off course a professional a*s kisser, he is the perfect one for this position, if his Excellency or the EVPO or any of his superiors ask him to do something immediately he will bend down and kiss the sole of their flip-flop.


c)BM goes to the office at 11 and stays there till 9 pm doing what when there is no body there? He goes and takes copies from the files, photos for the black-dark magic that he does in morocco. Everybody hates him except Persians as he claims to be local while his loyalty is across the gulf?



d)As an instructor BM goes to the sim, in his dish-dash (local Qatari dress) we all go to the sim for our recurrent in uniform but he is special and different, he is always late for the sim, normally we report 2 hrs before the session for briefings he goes 5 minutes before the session, sometimes 1 hr after the session begins, no briefings at all which is good because BM does not know anything anyway , and you do not have to listen to his rubbish, silly stories, BM does not know the syllabus but he does and invent his own, always walking with 3 cell phones, on board the A/C & in the sim busy with his phones doing & receiving calls . What an instructor? What a manager?


•KC head of TRTO (crackers cr***n) claims that he was in the RAF actually he flew for two or three times in the RAF then was kicked out because he was no good, very poor aviation back ground, became a capt with 1500 hrs failed his command several times, lots of questions about his previous flying hrs and experience, but he knows how to bluff people he is a good nice little puppy, when you ask him a question and he is not ready for his face immediately turns red and his right eye starts to blink, no communication skills what so ever, hungry for any position willing to do whatever it takes for any position, but he speaks good English. Will cause lots of damage to the airline.




The good things about the five star airline:
1-Pay is always on time
2-Maintenance is good
3-Airplanes are new.

While i was in QR CEO was a small dirty bas....d i see now he become more sick .

Its all black magic i can see :

S.D TRE ? funny

A.J EVPO ? more funny

We all can see that recent events really shake the unstable QR anyhow.
Guess Capt " Z" already fly somwhere and make fun of CEO

Black magic on A330 ? i would say it is only not matured CP which instead to learn how to "not divert with 2500 kg extra fuel" spend time checking people roster or a privat life.

What can we expect from airline where CEO is litle small man who run after cabin crew and check who is dating who or telling FLIGHT OPS to fail people on SIM .

I was told by a cabin crew which did promotion flight that the word is that litle small man is small everywhere !

Since AAB became the Boss , I have heard so much stories and witnessed a few that makes mockery of anything called human rights, He is a prime candidate for CRM and must be given a refresher every 3 months.

BUT..the Irony is that pilots and Cabin Crew STILL flock on to Doha and stamp over each other bodies to join "The Best Airline in the World" run by a CEO who is collecting awards and accolades from every corner of the world !!!!!!!

YES ....despite knowing of the conditions and how the company is run , many pilots and c/crews join QR and deny any knowledge of any wronging until they become a victim one day and then they start signing ..............!!!

Hello Everyone:

I was reading the last few posts and I started wondering how is it possible that Qatar Airways and its managers are given so many accolades and treated with pomp and circumstance by every Aviation Magazine in the world. Also wondering, how is it possible that a lot of the prospective employees who come knocking at QR's door are simply ignorant of the evils that lurk hidden behind the glittering words concocted by the publicity machine.

Last night, these two thoughts kept bouncing in my head (which is pretty empty most of the time) and I went to sleep with a heavy migraine. I tried to connect the dots, make the picture clearer in my head, but I simply couldn't understand. I asked myself: are there any lessons in the history of humankind that resemble this phenomenon? Is there any greater wisdom that could clarify all this and put my mind at ease? It so happened that, while aimlessly web-browsing the next morning, I came across a word that I heard a few years back: "Asbestos". I don't know why I came across this word, but lately, these things just happen... Maybe it was a sign from a greater wisdom or maybe it was just Black Magic? Or even worse, maybe I am just going crazy in this place...

I will not explain what this material is because it is beyond the scope of this post. However, it is worth mentioning that apart from being an excellent insulator and super resistant, asbestos fibers can cause every type of health problems, starting with emaciation if inhaled, and ending in carcinoma if prolonged contact is sustained. I think that anyone with some access to education, or the media, knows this much. What I didn't know, though, is that all these noxious effects were already known by the Greeks back in the 1st century (actually asbestos means "inextinguishable" in Greek). So, how it is possible that human beings kept using this material all throughout history even knowing how bad it is?

Now, in a more general sense: Do we, as humans, have the ability to ignore or to filter out certain "demonstrated facts" when they don't fit into our own Belief System (BS) although the consequences could be irremediable? In simple terms, Do we only see or hear what we want? Or, are humans simply gullible by nature? Judging by the amount of people that flock to respond to the "Land a Great Career with Qatar Airways" link on the Internet, I am compelled to think that the truth lies somewhere in between those two statements, in other words, MAYBE A BIT OF BOTH...

Thus, if you are looking for a job and you are considering QR, I can only tell you one thing: in my case, I always try to investigate further so that I can make an educated and logical decision. At the end of the research, I normally have a list of "facts" that I can judge as "good for me" or "bad for me", according to my own BS. In QR's case, I find that, for the moment, it suits my purpose and that as long as no one else tries to force his/her own BS on me, my comfort level is Tolerable. But this is my case and it might not be yours. So, read, research and make an informed decision before applying. I think that the info in PPrune is a good resource: it is not just myth, complaints and political machinations. The things you read found their way into the forums for a reason: something fishy is going on. But, don't stop there, look further in the news, the internet and read between the lines.

Anyway, as far as I am concerned, I have a plan B!! As soon as I can save enough money, I will use it to erase all information about asbestos that is available on the internet. I will use some of my resources to disqualify anyone that does not agree with my plan and, if the disagreement is too loud, I will use my mafia to rub him out. After that, I will also post a few articles in major newspapers advocating the benefits of not only using asbestos as an insulation, but also using it in underwear, kitchenware and in air conditioning ducts. And, to complete the plan, I will post a few videos in YouTube showing cool people drinking champagne and smiling while sitting in a lounge all covered with asbestos. Of course, before that, I will make sure that I buy enough stock from all those chemical factories that are willing to make a quick buck not caring about the outcome in the long term. Come on, you have to admit it, this is a great plan!!! I will be super rich, and I will be chosen the "Asbestos Man of the Year" in the "Asbestos Magazine"... I would do this just because I am an evil megalomaniac and I love the way my name sounds as it comes out of a loudspeaker. Also, cause I don't care about anyone else apart from myself. Oh, I am so in love with my own legend :)

Cheers, and Blue Side Up!

Toga, thank you for the best post I ever read!

I was roaring with laughter and with tears during...:ugh:
Unfortunately you are 100% right.

B.M is still in game i saw him going around and checking who do what and sending sms to 9 floor in order to prove he is better then A.J .

S.D can not walk and say hi to people as everyone turn there heads when they see him. What come around goes around !

J.H the most fair TRE on A320 . To say no to CEO and sleep in peace is a big think .

Evian is now sparkling water in flight ops !

Toga....... wanna give you a big hug man!!:D you seem to be a very balanced individual.... Love all your posts...:D send me an IM sometime dude.... Lets catch up in Doha....

To all the Haters....:ugh: get a grip n read Toga's posts man... here's an intellectual stuck in a pilots job!

Peace Toga..:ok:

Hello all,

I am a London-based journalist for a large news organisation, researching Qatar Airways.

I understand that many of you still work for the airline so would be hesitant to speak on the record about the issues you're discussing below.

But, if you no longer work for the airline, or if you still do but would like to contact me using a pseudonym/anonymous hotmail account, then I'd very much appreciate a quick chat, by phone or email, about some of the allegations below.

You talk about the media having the power to help create a falsely positive image for an airline - well, help hold some of the manager's to account over these allegations by getting in touch...

Email me at: qatarairwaysinfo 'at' gmail.com

Many thanks for your help

Yeah right, another snitch

Never e-mail this black magic fool. If you do so without using a proxy or a vpn he will see your ip address in the email header.
If you're a real media guy why not just post your phone number here?

So what if he has my IP address ? Have we stated any lie over here ?
IP no IP same same .

Black Magic can have enyone IP he will still be just a poor BM guy.
Maybe they all got SD virus in there systems ha ha ha .

This is an open letter to our Dear News Researcher:

I have read your post carefully, and I gave a deep thought to your offer. You got me hooked man!! I am really looking for fame and glory, so, this is my chance to finally get my 15 minutes, like my friend Andy Warhol says... And I think that many of the professional pilots that read this forum will subscribe to your idea.

Let me see if I get this straight: I am supposed to go official and tell you what is going on in this place, betraying my colleagues, and exposing their source of income. It sounds great!! I have been trying to get away from flying since day one, cause it really scares me, so if you give me 10 million dollars, I am your man! Sorry, fellow pilots for the betrayal, but if you support my decision to go official, I will buy you a few rounds for your trouble (I know that, like me, you would sell your mothers in law for a mug of beer).

I am sure that someone that has left QR would never dare to do anything to hurt the airline, because, he knows that as soon as 1000 pilots are on the street, his working conditions will deteriorate even further, and, I am sure that no one that is still with QR will dare because he has mouths to feed. So, I am covered! I am your man! I can kill my wife and kids for 10 million. I've gotten tired of them, anyway... After that I can carry out my Asbestos Project (http://www.pprune.org/5289572-post40.html), and I will be Super Rich!!!

No, No! I have even a better idea. But, if you carry out this one, you will have to send me 10 million dollars too for the rights to use it. I will tell it to you, to see if you get tempted: Since you belong to a large news organization, it would be easy for you to arrange a "Frost-Nixon" kind of interview with any of the main actors in this comedy. I don't think that anyone around here has the "talent" for disguise that Tricky Dick had, so, if you ask them direct questions in front of a camera, you will see them twitch, hesitate and stutter. And this is how you find out if the issues that pop up in this forum are really true. Come on, aren't you tempted? This may be a Pulitzer Award interview!

If you are going to use my idea, send me a private message, and I will send you my account number in the Bahamas. I trust that you will not betray my intellectual rights...

Cheers, and Blue Side Up!!!

Hi man! I'm from Brazil and I have thought of trying Qatar selection process, but I have seen too many complaints... so what do u have to tell me? Thanks...

seekingpilots

I have an idea . . .

Let's do this the other way around. Send me a pm with your UK phone or email contact info. I will call or email you and give you every bit of info you need IF you are serious about doing an expose on Qatar (or any other aviation organisation in the Gulf).

As most ex-pats who live and work in the Gulf know, there is a huge story to be told to the world about human rights in the Gulf, regardless of the type of business. Qatar, EK, Gulf, as well as every construction company, hotel chain, taxi company, etc, are all part of the story of human rights abuse in this privileged part of the globe. So if you want a Pulitzer prize, or simply want to tell a story that needs to be told, send me a pm and I'll help you get started.

Your serve.

grizz

Hi guys,
Travelling on Qatar business A330 flight I came in the front cabin crew department and noticed they where eating all the left overs from business class.

I just don't understand that a guy was terminated for drinking a bottle Evian water. I recon you can eat and drink as much as you like and cabin crew will throw it in the flightdeck or am I completely mistaken????:rolleyes:

Also if you don't like the job, can you then just go after a year and don't pay for the bond or will you get in to serious trouble????:rolleyes:

In Europe you also have bonds, but legally if you don't pay you won't get into trouble. (maybe no reference letter or some questions at your next job and that's it):=

PM me with your phone number and the organisation you represent. I can be objective, give you a fair assessment and no longer have ties that bind.

mightyduck:

-Cockpit crew do have the chance to eat business meal if left after the service, otherwise:crew meal.
( Cabin crew will decide when Cockpit can eat...)

-Try to leave without paying your bond...well.. good luck! You might end up in jail..

-Don't try to make any comparaison between Europe and Middle east, and the way they treat people.Here ,as an expat ,the only right you have is to close your mouth and work.

In Jail for bond ? I have never heared about this case .
One think for sure if you just leave Doha and do not enter Qatar any more they can not do anything to you for things like : bond , loan ,house....
as we all know there are people who jumpshif and now working in any of airlines and have no problem at all as long you dont step into Qatar . ( and why should you step over here unless you miss litle small man )

I'm talking about resigning "normaly"...(if you can't honor your loan before leaving you might be in serious trouble...).
Off course that's why people jumpship...but that's another story...

If you resign, any remaining bond will be taken from your end of service gratuity.

If you jump ship the company will keep all your gratuity.

If you jump ship early when your gratuity is minimal, the accounting goat will bleat with grief for week.

I heard yesterday 100 guys in holding pool at EY, Mostly from 330 but some from 320 as well. I wonder if EY cares if you jumpship or not

Black stain..if you resign after 1..2 years(problem raised by Mightyduck), your end of service benefit will definitely not cover the remaining bond...,you will have to put your hand into your pocket...or jumpship..:\

"if you jump ship, the company will keep all your gratuity.."
Well off course, what do you expect... sounds obvious to me!:uhoh:

Fubaliera: I think EY does...
Do you really think EY is gone hire a pilot who jumpship from QR...:=
Just imagine this pilot sent for a DOH flight while flying for EY....!Too risky!

Just a curious question. What do you guys think will happen if you leave without having a bond but not adhearing to the resignation period and you have to come to Doha once in a while with your new employer.
Will you have any problems ? As I said, no bond, no loan, no money owing anybody.
Just leave for holiday and dont come back.

Dont worry

provided you did not leave with outstanding debts to the company, Banks or any other financial institution, this does include any outstanding, unresolved accidents or traffic violations as well.
if you do, you'll find yourself in a very different type of hotel that you expected during your stay here. if none of the above then all will be fine upon re-entry into Qatar.

for the bigger violations to financial institutions, they will have started a process to communicate with interpol.

Poisoned by Compromise
Krunch

Cpt Krunch,Do you really think every think will be fine upon re-entry to qatar after you Jumpship from Qatar airways....even without any debt,loan...?:uhoh:(going on leave and not coming back,sounds to me a "jumpship").
Personnaly i wouldn't try it..

Funny to note that people like DONTWORRY who are not even in QR(according previous post) or maybe just joined, already think about an Escape route....:ouch:

loc 22550 would you not think about it after what happened in last 30 months and before as well ?
Try it out get in trouble with CEO for any reason and you will find out why people who just join think this way .
Or just take a sip of Evian with wrong R1 .

We have CEO who hate pilots and on CC meeting tell them we are cheap bastards what can you expect from him . Better have excape route ready .

loc22550

well your not totally incorrect.

Yes for the most part you would be able to come and go from Qatar if you leave a clean slate.. BUT the fact remains, if someone has a personal vendetta against you, it is not very difficult to have you taken away upon entry to Qatar.
I do know a few people who have spent time in jail here for virtually nothing or no real legitimate reason at all. Thats just the way it is here in the Middle East.
best advise... Buyer Beware !

Poisoned by Compromise
Krunch

Who wants to come to Qatar ones you are gone ?

Indonesian couple both fly in Etihad at the moment and we all know how they left . Whats a big deal ?
Just avoid a land where AAB has PWR and since he is a litle small man he also has a litle small area of pwr . And good think is most of serious manangers just make fun of him when they talk about him .

Lets see will guy from UK publish anything .
As they say a bad word reach far .

Sick pupy, you have to improve your english.

Poor Fubaliera, You better kiss the little small man ass!

My point is if you want to be taken seriously, improve your english.

Well it sounds like a better idea not to do this.

Better: get 7000 dollar net per month (F/O). save 2000 per month during 1.5 years. That's 30G. Bond was 50G over 3 years after final line check.
(take 1/2 year to get final line check done). 2/3rd of the bond left is then 33G. Get the gratuation pay of 5G for the first year. Makes 28G to pay up in total for the bond, whcih you have saved.

I recon 5000 dollar is enough to live there when housing, healthcare and children ar paid for.

Minimum time to stay at Qatar is 1.5 years and get out clean with a good rating and hours for a better job.;)

mightyduck

keep in mind the bond does not start reducing until the completion of the first year 'on-line' after final line check. Only then will the 50,000 USD bond start to reduce.
"$1388pm after 1st year (Final Line Check)". read carefully.


Poisoned by Compromise
Krunch

QR would not dare to start any legal action against anyone on international level as they have so many human rights violations that i do not think that anyone from QR higher authority will try to get you for not clearing your bond .

Sounds like your only rights at Qatar are your last ones........ :eek: but then ...wa-de-fac...... crab your coin and run for your life :D

Crunch,
that means that after 1/5 years you still have to pay 50G if you leave?

Considering all the negativity here, it really sounds like a big risk starting at this airline. The rating is good, but you can get fired whenever they feel like it and then you are on the street again. You don't really know what you get until you start everythin is so fage.
Also 24 days off per 3 months, how can you keep that up, with a minimum of 7 days per month dos not sound you have any life there? What for the guys who bring their family, can that ever work? Especially on a roster to fly to LHR and the same night back, you will be completely fatigued.
Is there a possibility to do part time after a year or so and do some sailing or have some fun?
What happens if you get fired, do you still have to pay the bond then? And if so where to get the money from?
:*

If you are terminated and you have training bond or any kind of loan you will be hold in Doha till you pay off your bond and close your account in bank . Exit permit or Multi exit permit will be taken off the system and immigration informed about it and you are stuck in Doha till you get money and clear it all .Also bank ASAP they know you are terminated they inform immigration to band you to travel as well .

At the moment we have few guys in same situation . All ex A330 fleet . I say EX as they are teminated . They are still in Doha waiting for some miracle to happen so they can leave ( a pearl of ME )
Bank or QR will force you telling you to borrow money from a friends or to sell your house at home ( if you have it ) or what ever just to get money from you .

See thats why all this people jumpshif . They have no other choice . If you are in Doha without job waiting, your kids still need food .

Again human rights issue .

But if you see A.A.B he will help you by taking your ID ! woops did it again

Qatar Airways 5 * airline with 0 * CEO

Or it is all a B.M ?

Mighty:
If you are terminated, you don't have to pay your bond....BUT this EXCLUDE termination for disciplinary action..like talking against the CEO & criticize Qatar airways&asking for a bottle of evian to the wrong CS&CSD..(oops i did a flight 2 days ago and the CS gave me a bottle of evian:.. shall i start packing.?...:\)

Sounds like an even bigger risk going there.
Do you guys have anything positive about this 5 star company or is really everything negative? Apart from flying a good airplane and getting hours on it?

i wait a few days for the result of my FI ,you scared me by the QR human rights ,OMG

Is it true there is investigation going on about all this crazy things happen in airline : Evian ,Croatian Capt , Black Magic , set up here and there ?

I was told from a local F/o that there are big goverment shots asking them about all this and doing somthing about it .
Will Mr small man have to answer some questions . Why his airline is a shame of Qatar ....... in the world because he can not manage airline in proper way .

B.M is in office blaming all around for PPRUNE threads .
A.J is still walking around promising mountains .
A.Q fighting with K.C and they are both guilty why people taking sick leave for LPC/OPC with S.D

A Qatari TRE J.H had trouble for telling what he refused to do with Capt "Z" .

A.A.B waste airline money and his time to track people who are talking against him instead of doing his job .
QR has more security hired then main police station .
Well people need job !

why taking sick leave when you have sim with S.D.??
Go to the office,open your mouth and tell them you don't want to have a sim with such a guy!Be honest...not like him!!

It is very easy to manage when there are unlimited resources. It is like flying to an airport that is closed due fog, with all alternates closed, but with your tanks full of gas. For a pilot, it is easy to see this scenario. Let's imagine together: you enter the hold, do some PR with the passengers, ask for a cup of tea and wait. You can even throw a little tantrum, like a child, and give a hard time to the rest of the crew. You wait for 5 hours if necessary, until the fog clears up and, after that, you land without a problem. After all, you have all that you need to fly an aircraft from A to B: you know how to do some PR, you have a fully automated aircraft, you have someone to serve you tea and most importantly, you have your tanks full of gas. You don't require any special knowledge or experience and no planning.

Now, let's switch to a real life scenario. You are a professional pilot, you are sitting there to manage resources and to make the correct decisions. So now, you wouldn't dispatch without any open alternate (you KNOW that), right? You would analyze the situation before hand, using your airmanship and experience, and make an informed decision. Neither would you dispatch with the tanks full of gas (you want to be EFFICIENT). Here, your experience, airmanship and also your level of comfort play a big part too. Your objective is to land at your destination, not to divert with one hour worth of fuel in the tanks. Therefore, in real life you are operating closer to the limits. And you don't do it because of corporate pressure or other external factors. You do it because of the pleasure of doing your job right, because of pride in your profession. Well, I could go on for hours, but I think that most of you get the picture: in real life, you will be operating within a set of constraints. This is when, apart from being a Bus Driver ;), you become a Manager. But finally and most importantly, what happens if I throw into the whole "Managing Exercise" a "What-if" scenario and run it in real time: what will you do if anything goes wrong when you are operating from A to B (Crisis Management)? Ah, you see, in life it is not that easy, right? You DO require special knowledge, experience and planning. Moreover, you need to have the right SKILLS and ATTITUDE, but let's not get into that today.

If you recollect some stories from your CRM courses, you will remember a few scenarios when pilots ran out of fuel. If you place yourself into the picture, you can feel the clock ticking. If you see those documentaries in Air Disaster, I swear that after a while your hands are sweaty. There are plenty of these stories, some with an excellent outcome and some with a disastrous one. In every happy ending story, you can see a crew acting as a team, a Captain listening suggestions from the F/O, a team pushing their capacity to the limit and finding resources in places that weren't obvious at first glance. In every disaster story, you can see an autocratic Captain, acting only by himself, not listening to suggestions and affected either by bigotry or prejudice. During his last minutes, as the fuel is running out, you can see him making the wrong decisions, concentrating on unnecessary tasks: mere flailing of a drowning man, grasping in desperation for a miracle solution, where there is none. You could even imagine, with little effort, that list of priorities in this guy's head was wrong in the first place.

Now, another real life scenario: companies eventually have to go public. To achieve this, they require solvency. Otherwise, who would buy them, right? Would you buy a sinking ship, even though is equipped with huge bilge pumps to keep it afloat? The answer is simple: NO. If you are a wise investor you would buy a ship that is well designed, that can float on its own, and that does not require infinite resources to run. Any intelligent investor will not get carried away by the glitter, by the Black Magic of the media: he will research his product. On the same token, the wise owner of any successful company also knows this. Moreover, he knows that, eventually, if he wants to avoid flying with full tanks, he needs to have a competent man at the helm that knows how to manage with KNOWLEDGE, with EFFICIENCY, with SKILL and with the right ATTITUDE. This is why I am optimistic (or maybe stupid): every company matures and with it, the people that make it work. Childhood, Adolescence and Youth are over: it's time to be an Adult...

Again, if you place yourself into the picture, you can feel the clock ticking (Tick, Tock, Tick, Tock...). I swear that after a while your hands are probably sweaty. Do you have what it takes, REALLY, do you, to handle this? Or, is this mere flailing of a drowning man, grasping in desperation for a miracle solution, where there is none?

Moral of the story: a good manager always understands his pilots. He knows that they are in the hot seat, like himself. He wants them on his side and has no time for childish games. He values their inputs, their experience and their courage to take to the air in the most adverse circumstances: weather, schedule, tiredness. He knows that flying from A to B is the objective. But most importantly, he understand that flying safely, efficiently and on schedule from A to B is an ART. He understands it implicitly because he applies the same principles to his daily life.

Cheers, and Blue Side Up!!!

Hope you express yourself a little more concisely "if anything goes wrong" in realtime TOGA LOCK, those tanks will be empty.....

Moral of the story: a good manager always understands his pilots. He knows that they are in the hot seat, like himself. He wants them on his side and has no time for childish games. He values their inputs, their experience and their courage to take to the air in the most adverse circumstances: weather, schedule, tiredness. He knows that flying from A to B is the objective. But most importantly, he understand that flying safely, efficiently and on schedule from A to B is an ART. He understands it implicitly because he applies the same principles to his daily life.Got there finally and agree.:ok:

This is why I am optimistic (or maybe stupid): every company matures and with it, the people that make it work. Childhood, Adolescence and Youth are over: it's time to be an Adult...Optimistic or stupid? I would say the latter. And when your come out of ignore everything no matter how bad, head in the sand mode, ask the crew who unlike yourself have worked here for a decade or more for an answer to that question. Terminated Captain B.A would be a good place to start.

I hope all readers notice there are no denials to the facts posted at the top of this thread. To the fact that crew are effectively held prisoner in Qatar for 6 months if they get back from days off outside the country less than 12 hours before report time. That 13 year veterans of the company are terminated on the spot for drinking the wrong 2 riyal mineral water. That Captains who marry Cabin Crew after the CEO has refused that Cabin Crew permission to get married, have their careers ended in the simulator for "daring" to look for some justice. That Cabin Crew who refuse to "play the game" with Senior Management at corporate events downroute have their careers in QR swiftly blown away.

Yep, its all happening here at the worlds 5 star medieval airline.

FIFA will be very interested.

All solutions needed can only come from the top. I truly believe only a Minister or above can reform the HR at QR.

thanks for the post... sometimes I don't know where you are coming from. but i enjoyed it like the other ones.

i agree with fubaliera too, i hope that someone up there reads the posts and see that most pilots just want to be treated like adults... i don't like those childish games too.

maybe when the company goes public they will have to clean up their act.

Again, if you place yourself into the picture, you can feel the clock ticking (Tick, Tock, Tick, Tock...). I swear that after a while your hands are probably sweaty. Do you have what it takes, REALLY, do you, to handle this? Or, is this mere flailing of a drowning man, grasping in desperation for a miracle solution, where there is none?

who are you asking this question to?

Just heard this evening on the news, that there are plans in Qatar to have an income tax by 01.01.10. Lets see how many will stay here when they have to tax the money.

Lets just hope that the implementation of an income tax in Qatar is gone have to same issue as the implementation of a pension plan for Qatar airways pilot....:}
Quote:
"Childhood, adolescence and youth are over...."
Still a long way to go in QR...!:ouch:

If you pay tax back home, double taxation laws should apply. Lets not worry to much about this just yet. Maybe its for Qatari only or there is a minimum salary. maybe the pension will follow as well. Hopefully no taxation with out representation idea will aplly. Lets wait and see, should be good.

Dont Worry... Well u had me worried for a bit then :ooh:
But after a quick search on google its seems that this law is actually going to lower Corporation tax and not impose personal taxation luckily for us :cool:

Doha: Qatar issued a new tax law on Tuesday that will be effective on January 2010, Qatar News Agency (QNA) reported.
"Shaikh Tamim Bin Hamad Al Thani, the Emir's deputy and crown prince, issued today law No. (21) of 2009 on the issuance of the income tax law. The law is to go into force as of January 1, 2010 and is to be published in the official gazette," QNA said.
Shaikh Tamim is sitting in for his father Emir Shaikh Hamad Bin Khalifa Al Thani who is attending World Summit on Food Security in Rome.
The official agency did not give details about the law, but it is most likely to cut corporate taxes to 10 per cent down.
Earlier this month, Qatar’s Finance Minister Yousuf Kamal said that Qatar planned to lower the tax rate on foreign companies to a flat 10 per cent starting next year.
“There is a new tax law and once promulgated it will lower the rate to 10 per cent,” the minister told a press conference in Doha.
Qatar currently imposes a profit tax on foreign-owned companies at a progressive rate ranging from 10 to 35 per cent.
A Western news agency earlier reported that Qatar would introduce an individual income tax. However, a government official later said that the new income tax law would apply to revenues of corporations and not that of individuals.
"This law will apply to companies ... not people," the official, who declined to be identified, told the news agency by telephone.
Income Law No. 11/1993 imposes income tax on the taxpayer - natural persons and corporate bodies- arising from activities in Qatar, including profits from any contract executed in Qatar, profits realised from the sale of any asset of an establishment, agency commissions, consultation fees, amounts from the sale, rent or concession of intellectual property rights, bad debts collected by the taxpayer and net profits upon dissolution of a company.
Tax liabilities are computed on the basis of profits disclosed by audited financial statements, adjustments for tax depreciation and any items disallowed by the Income Tax Department.
However, corporate tax is levied only on foreign owned business entities in Qatar, and there is no tax rate for Qatari-owned businesses.
According to Forbes 2009 Tax Misery & Reform Index, which evaluates policies that attract or repel capital and talent, Qatar has the world’s friendliest tax climate.
Qatar has embarked on a massive plan to curb its heavy reliance on oil and gas income by spending billions of dollars to develop its non-oil economy.
MP Jassem Husain, a Bahraini economist and business analyst, has repeatedly called for the imposition of taxes on foreign and local investments as a means to boost the state budget that will enable the launch of massive projects while reducing reliance on oil income.

why dont u understand the news u r hearing before u post and complain when that news doesnt even concern u ?????????:ugh:

Well--before You Ask, No Secrets In Qr.

Another Possible Chop Ride On The Way-this Time 330 Captain- The Axeman...a Very Senior Tre-will He Sell His Soul And Chop, Or Won't He? That Is The Question. All Will Be Revealed Soon.

All You Pilots,:} Cry :} For A Noble Profession That Came To Qr And Got Abused And Tarnished??????