Advertised on the website at:

Jobs.Jet2.com (http://jobs.jet2.com/job.php?j=191)

Good Luck!

It is not.

Did some digging on their website.
So even if you are type rated and have experience on the 737 or 757 (types they operate) you still have to sign a training bond with them - WHAT THE :mad:!
Outrageous.

The salary is £41,064 which is effective after probation. The probationary salary (from day after licence endorsement) is £35,700 and the full salary is implemented two months after the successful completion of line training.

Seems pretty good to me

Being bonded for training costs even when joining type rated is acceptable even though this is usually 6 months.

With regards to the salary mentioned above, this is for non experienced type rated guys as it also mentioned base training provided. So surely when joining type rated with a significant amount of hours one can expect to start with a SFO salary??

I'm glad there is recruitment and even more so that its my own airline.

However, last I had heard, there was still quite a few in the hold pool?

Don't be surprised if the contract is an 80% one.

If your going to apply, BALPA members only please!!!!!! (BALPA are going through proceedings for recognition at Jet2)

There is a large fleet transfer list and it would have been nice to see a move up for some of the F/O's. Although I fully understand the cost savings by employing type rated pilots.

Lets hope then, we can get some good 737 / 757 rated guys. Charter & longhaul background would be good from my point of view, especially with the routes we do now and the ones that are rumored for the future.

Any news on the Chief Pilot role or has the company finally realised how hard it will be to replace the fantastic one we had!!!!!

Posted by Squawkident

The salary is £41,064 which is effective after probation. The probationary salary (from day after licence endorsement) is £35,700 and the full salary is implemented two months after the successful completion of line training.

Seems pretty good to me


This is for first officers!!

Captains rates below

The salary is £66,024 which is effective after probation. The
probationary salary is £60,180, and the full salary is
implemented two months after the successful completion of
line training.

Surely in the current economy most would be glad to stay with the same airline for 3 or more years... Although not usual, can't see how the bond would bother people, really. :suspect:

If your going to apply, BALPA members only please!!!!!! (BALPA are going through proceedings for recognition at Jet2)

Article 1 of chapter 38 of the 1990 Employment Act makes that illegal.
The act which can be read in full here (http://www.opsi.gov.uk/acts/acts1990/Ukpga_19900038_en_1.htm) specifically states in the very first article of said chapter:

Access to employment

1
Refusal of employment on grounds related to union membership .(1)
It is unlawful to refuse a person employment— .
(a)
because he is, or is not, a member of a trade union, or .
(b)
because he is unwilling to accept a requirement— .
(i)
to take steps to become or cease to be, or to remain or not to become, a member of a trade union, or .
(ii)
to make payments or suffer deductions in the event of his not being a member of a trade union. .
(2)
A person who is thus unlawfully refused employment has a right of complaint to an industrial tribunal. .
(3)
Where an advertisement is published which indicates, or might reasonably be understood as indicating— .
(a)
that employment to which the advertisement relates is open only to a person who is, or is not, a member of a trade union, or .
(b)
that any such requirement as is mentioned in subsection (1)(b) will be imposed in relation to employment to which the advertisement relates, .
a person who does not satisfy that condition or, as the case may be, is unwilling to accept that requirement, and who seeks and is refused employment to which the advertisement relates, shall be conclusively presumed to have been refused employment for that reason.

Can anybody give an indication how much one could expect to receive in duty pay and sector pay in a typical summer month? It's difficult to estimate what a type-rated captain could come out with after tax. Any figures would be much appreciated.

i cant see what the problem is with the 6k bond, its to cover OCC costs, the pilot is NOT asked to pay this up front and it only lasts for one year.

simples!

A bond usually is required if, the company has paid for the training? If type rated it should be free of charge!:=

Personally, I thinks it's great that in this economic downturn that an airline is in a position to recruit. If I were out of a job right now I would jump at the chance to get my income back and pay the bills etc...

The bond is neither here nor there, I know it may seem OTT if you are already type rated, but really it only comes into play if you leave within the year which is not likely to happen is it!

If you don't like the sound of the job on offer then don't apply. If you can be that picky then you obviously don't need the job that much, so stay away and give someone who needs/want's the job a chance.

Good luck to those who do apply.

MPH read again......it IS free of charge! but should you leave within one year you will be charged the proportion left of 6k that covers the cost of the OCC (operator conversion course). Not unreasonable.

I think what the other posters are getting at is why the hell should you be bonded for company related training?

What other jobs are there out there that do that? You join a company with a licence and a type rating and years of experience, if they want you to work for them then should be happy to invest a small amount in a little bit of training that THEY require you to have.

What other industry does this??????:*

I joined one of the largest UK charter in 2005 type rated and signed for a £2400 bond over a 6 month period to cover the company conversion training...no big deal!

6K over 12 months is slithly more but provided that you sign the contract with the intention to stay then what is the issue here? :confused:

Especially in these times where more and more pilots are looking for any temporary flying job just to keep filling their logbooks and paying their bills who will then move on when something better comes along it is completely acceptable to show some sort of commitment by signing this bond.

End of this discussion if you ask me...time to focus on what really matters as T & C, future outlook of Jet2.com etc!

Guys,

Jet2 is low-cost in every sense of the word!

I think what the other posters are getting at is why the hell should you be bonded for company related training?


It costs ANY company to train their employees, so all Jet2 are doing is safeguarding their initial outlay by asking for a financial commitment commensurate with training costs. Not too unresonable I think???!!! Pilots are notoriously expensive to train, so in these somewhat turbulant times they are doing as they are asking us all to do - cut costs....not unique to Jet2, ALL airlines are doing it!

So surely when joining type rated with a significant amount of hours one can expect to start with a SFO salary??

I've been with them for nearly 3 years, you will only get Senior First Officer recognition after 2 years service, no matter how many hours on type or previous commercial experience you have, so if 2 stripes hurts your ego I would look else where!

The company is, in my eyes, a good place to work. Yes it's not great, but where is nowerdays? It is one of the VERY few airlines set to employ next year, although it looks likely to be on a Summer basis only.

Yes, £35,700 is CR*P, but Jet2 offers a good training department, pretty stable rosters (disclaimer: pretty)and a great bunch of people to work with.

Good luck to all, won't suit all, but certainly a good start airline, as I'm sure Jet2 will find out when other Airlines start employing and many leave us!!!

CAT1 reversion,

Do you actually know any pilot who joined type rated with significant hours on type? Perhaps this is the first time they will take on experienced guys and the higher SFO pay will come into play from the start?

Being a 2 striper for 2 years when joining with no experience is acceptable just as other airlines require you to unfreeze your license to upgrade to 3 stripes. However, when joining with SFO experience it is being taken for a ride really, nothing to do with ego but with wanting to get paid for what you are worth as a SFO...

I think at Jet2 to become a SFO is considered "a loyalty" payment after two years, due to the expansion over the past few years and lets hope the future, SFO have been getting commands fairly quickly after gaining the required experience.

highflyer,

Do you actually know any pilot who joined type rated with significant hours on type?

Yes, several, they have to wait for two years service before the SFO position is awarded. Incidentally, this was only introduced around 18 Months ago, the goal posts are moving again soon, so you will need 2 yrs service, un-frozen etc and an interview with the promotion panel!!!:eek:

If you come with type and hrs you will go onto full jet pay, but after 2 Months probabtion. This pay is the same as SFO salary (or very close!), you just don't get the vanity stripe!

Many of our guys have gone from 2 stripe to 4, so really there isn't an issue. Join, keep yer heed down, work hard and you never know, a command could come!!!!

Good Luck to all:ok:

What the position for someone with lots of jet hours, type rated on 737 with 1000 hours on type but 737 not flown for more than 5 years? Still current on another jet and looking for FO position.

Ta

CAT1 reversion,

Thanks for the info, I personally don't care as much about the stripes but more about how much money hits the bank and that it is in line with ones experience, would you mind sharing with us the starting SFO annual gross pay?

What is the estimated time to upgrade at this moment?

Cheers

I wouldn't like to comment on salarys'. Other posts are suggesting a lower salary than permanent staff. Who knows, I'm sure it won't be great though as it's an employers market at the moment!!!!

There are lots of differnet contracts ie increments etc, so most FO's/SFO's are on different wages, but somewhere near £40k. As for time to command, I would suggest that is upto the individual and their abilities. Have seen guys come in after 2 years up-grade, so the scope isd there!

Good Luck:ok:

Actually if you check the new SFO requirements at JET2, which was agreed by the last crew council before the LBA reps resigned!!!!!!!!!!

You can become a SFO after 2 years BUT you will NOT be paid the SFO salary until you have been with the company for 3 years.

Does anybody know when interviews are likely to start, and what the likely start dates are?

Regards

They are also talking about DEC - are there no F/Os awaiting promotion with sufficient hours and command assessment passed? Are DECs likely to end up flying with F/Os who have massive chips on their shoulders because they think they should be in the left hand seat? I am only interested in the 737 fleet, by the way.

For those applying to Jet2 here's some info from personal experience:
The money has basically already been outlined on this thread. In my opinion the FO salary is OK as a starting point and the Captain salary is low. The problem is that the starting salary is also the full salary ie. no payscales anymore. The payscales stoppped around 3 or 4 years ago. Pay is reviewed annualy but rises have not been forthcoming, perhaps unsurprisingly so with the economy and all. I wouldn't have hopes of a significant pay rise for SFO either.
This is all of course based on full time employment. There has been a recent HR drive to get as many as possible to accept part time. Part time would mean full time in summer and part time in winter or the winter off alltogether, with commensurate reduction in salary - great if it suits and you can afford it. Jet2 did say at the time that all future recruitment would be for part time contracts only.
As far as promotions are concerned, Jet2 does apparently have a promotion from within policy, although Direct Entry Captains are also sought (read into that what you will). The most recent promotions were for summer commands. FO/SFOs undergo command assessment and if successful (quite high rate of success I think) may be offered a summer command with reversion to FO/SFO in winter. In some cases it involves a temporary base change aswell, at the pilot's expense. I believe some of those that acheived a summer command this last summer may retain their commands, although it is unclear whether they had to accept taking the winter off in order to do so.
As far as basing is concerned, there are expansion plans mostly for NCL, EMA and MAN. I think its mostly 757 but MAN may also be for 737, so its a good bet recruitment is for any of those bases. Don't be surprised however if you have to accept dual basing. Yes that's right, being based in 2 places and being rostered to operate from either from one day to the next. At present this only exists for MAN and BLK. You would have a main base and an alternate base and Jet2 gives you an allowance for travel to your alternate base. Still it can make for a lot of time on the motorways in your own car.
As far as fleet/base transfers are concerned, there are extensive lists for both, especially for 737 to 757. Those at the top of the list get first consideration. That said, transfers are of course subject to commercial need. Fleet transfers are particularly rare as they involve expense and Jet2 is low cost.
Generally though, Jet2 is successful, profitable and growing which is pretty rare these days, and its a friendly place to work.
Hope the info helps and good luck.

Thanks for the info Crosswind - seems like a pretty reasonable assessment. Nice to have a clearer picture at the outset. I'll launch my form off and hope it lands on the right desk!

Can anyone confirm if this is for a full time or part time contract?

Cheers

As far as I understand, all contracts are part time. (80%)

Anyone know when interviews are likely to start?

As far as I understand, all contracts are part time. (80%)

Anyone know when interviews are likely to start?

Invited for interview within the next 3 weeks - only a few days after applying online too till receiving a call!

No mention at the interview arragement on what the contract will be for....guess that will be done at interview!

Anyone any info on the Jet2 interview...questions, tech question for example? Not much found after a search here...just a lot of Cabin Crew stuff.

Also called for interview about 2 days after submitting the application....not sure if i'm going to go though if its only for an 80% contract, it should have stated that in the advertisement. :rolleyes:

Oh cock, applied 10 days ago. Absolutely zilch and type rated too. Another one bites the dust.

80% is a lot better than 0%.

Anyone had their interviews yet? Or any results?

The guys that have been asked for an interview, would you mind divulging how many hours you have?

I've been called for interview with Jet2 for an FO position on the 737.

I have 3000tt with 2500 on type.

To be honest i wouldnt waste your money, i have far more than 500 hrs on type and i have not got an interview.

where does a 19 year old get the funds for line training at eagle jet?

i think you will need alot more than 500 hours 737 with some eagle jet oufit.i think alot of the excel people still dont have jobs,they have alot more than 500 hrs on type:cool:

I think right now it's pretty rubbish being unemployed no matter what experience you have. There are simply not that many jobs around.:confused:

I thought they said they will only contact successful candidates?
Is no news good news then?:cool:

I know of a few who have secured an interview with 4 -500 hrs on type so they are obviuosly looking for a broad range of applicants. :)

no punk i dont see why people pay to fly.enlighten me please?if jet2 had an endless supply of people like you willing to pay to fly then why oh why would they ever hire and PAY an f/o to fly.these pay to fly schemes only contribute to destroying the career you wish to join.think long and hard about pay to fly schemes:ugh:

In the current climate, 500hrs on type is nothing. The 737 employment market is saturated by guys with 10 times that experience. You can waste more money towards a SSTR/Line experience but the risks are even greated in the current climate. Be sensible and try get into SEP/MEP work, preferably something that can aid in keeping your IR valid and current until the market moves again.

Called for interview with 3500TT, 3300 on the 737.

I have the impression that so far only B737 guys have been called for interview. What about any B757 drivers??

I applied 11 days ago for the B757 with B752/763ER experience, no news yet...

Has anyone who is non type rated been invited for a interview?

Mister G,

I thought this round of recruitment was for type rated only, or have I completely missed the point?

H

My only reason for asking is that you can apply on-line, even if you are non rated.

Mister G,

I did wonder about that. I assumed it would mean automatic rejection if you weren't type rated.

H

9000hrs TT
5500hrs Jet (2000hrs 733 command)
6000hrs Efis

..............and no response:{

Perhaps but it is a bit odd since you could not apply for anything a month or so ago and now you can regardless of if you are rated or not.

I can understand why people are getting excited, especially those who are out of a job at the moment, whether 19 years old or if you have a lot of 737 hours. Wow - Jet2 are hiring when all other airlines are cutting costs and laying off?! Has anyone stopped to think how/why?

Pilots will only be hired on max 80% pay for 7 months work. Brilliant you think! Well, what are you going to do for the other 5 months of the year to pay the mortgage? This is just another cynical way of reducing Ts&Cs for pilots and I am ashamed to be working for an outfit that is stooping so low. Management are trying to hire new pilots on these contracts instead of paying for fleet transfers and promotions. This is going to cause a lot of tension.

Bring on BALPA and good luck to anyone joining us on these terms because you'll need it:

Lowest Jet salary in the industry PLUS no holiday during the summer, no anual pay rise, no health insurance.

Paperlad??? what are you even doing here man ???
should'nt you be heading east somewhere?:}

Very good Q,

The answer is, me being of a certain age, something to do with family: ageing parents, one child at Uni, one child at Highschool and wifey in a stable job. Why would I leave the UK just to fly, except to promote a divorce or other upset.

PL

I can understand why people are getting excited, especially those who are out of a job at the moment, whether 19 years old or if you have a lot of 737 hours. Wow - Jet2 are hiring when all other airlines are cutting costs and laying off?! Has anyone stopped to think how/why?

Pilots will only be hired on max 80% pay for 7 months work. Brilliant you think! Well, what are you going to do for the other 5 months of the year to pay the mortgage? This is just another cynical way of reducing Ts&Cs for pilots and I am ashamed to be working for an outfit that is stooping so low. Management are trying to hire new pilots on these contracts instead of paying for fleet transfers and promotions. This is going to cause a lot of tension.

Bring on BALPA and good luck to anyone joining us on these terms because you'll need it:

Lowest Jet salary in the industry PLUS no holiday during the summer, no anual pay rise, no health insurance.

:eek: Hhhmmm, maybe I'll stay where I am then....

Pilots will only be hired on max 80% pay for 7 months work. Brilliant you think! Well, what are you going to do for the other 5 months of the year to pay the mortgage?

So for FO £35,700 x 0.8 x 0.6 = £17,136 pA basic?

I thought the latest round of recruitment is for permanent employment, and if opted for part-time employment you take two months unpaid in the winter months?

Im also type rated 1500 TT just under 1300 737 and no response. Competition is very very tough!!

Interesting why the larger experience type guys didn't get a look in! Quite a few FO's from my airline applied due to the threat of redundancy, all of them will be 3500-4000TT with inexcess of 2000 hours on B757/B767 and B737, most of them with both types!

All of them got the same 'Nowt' email!

I applied, havent got a No or Yes..
wthhhhh
:bored:

So have any 757 rated people been invited for interview, and when are the interviews commencing?

I too havn't heard.......I applied 10 days ago, is no news good news?

So for FO £35,700 x 0.8 x 0.6 = £17,136 pA basic?

I thought the latest round of recruitment is for permanent employment, and if opted for part-time employment you take two months unpaid in the winter months?

No - Basic = £35,700 x 0.8 (80%) - you'll get paid 80% for 7 months work.

BUT What are you going to do for the 5 months you're not flying? It's a joke and unfortunately it sounds like Jet2 will be swamped with applicants desperate to be working/flying.

Instead of promoting or offering fleet transfers, Jet2 will employ permanent (temporary) pilots who will work from April to end Oct for 80% annual salary. You won't be allowed any holiday during this time and then for Nov, Dec, Jan, Feb, March you can sit at home trying not to spend money and annoy your other half.

This is the kind of contract I would expect from Ryanair and if people are happy to accept it then they deserve all they get in the future.

Hi Mr Geezer,
I appplied with 5500 hrs, lots on the 146 and some very recent EFIS with a fine Huy/ABZ operator :hmm: of our mutual acquantance, I can even speak Yorkshire !
I've just got a " Thanks, but no thanks e-mail "
Hope your tour of the colonies is going well :ok:

if people are happy to accept it then they deserve all they get in the future
If you are unemployed earning £64 a week then I would think having a job from next April for 7 months would look pretty good right now. Show some humility. It is not the fault of an individual to be out of work. I am sorry that 'the great unwashed' might infringe on you're precious T&C's :yuk:

Yes, the contract is rubbish, and I am sure those accepting it will move on as soon as they can. Jet2 get cheap summer labour, people get work when there is none out there. Market forces unfortunately.

but everyone with a brain at Jet2 (yes, there are a few) are off soon as.

Which could improve things, unless the same brainy people realise that and stay, so things remain the same.

Makes your head hurt doesn't it?

From where I am sitting I see no rapid improvement in the economy and no sign that the airline industry is turning the corner, what I do see is layoffs both real and proposed and the unedifying spectacle of little rubber people with big chequebooks trying to buy their way into the industry that some of us depend on for a living. Direct your venom where it is deserved, rather than sneering at those who are being forced to choose between a job in the profession that they have followed for years or the dole queue.

The only sustained expansion now is outside of Europe. Not everyone with experience wants to live in a sandpit even if we may have to consider it. The fact that Jet2 are creating some jobs in the UK is very good news for some of us (little rubber people definitely excepted). Please don't criticize from the comfort of a secure employment.

To the wannabees who are going to flame the hell out of me, (not that I care but you deserve an explanation)

When I came into this game, it was with the full knowledge that I was joining the back end of a very long queue of experienced pilots all of whom would be taken on before I or my fellow no accounts were even looked at. I knew that there was a chance that I would never make it and that I would need to be lucky. There was no question of trying to bribe or buy my way into a seat although the signs were starting to appear. I had no expectation of getting directly into the RHS of a jet and apart from those lucky enough to be sponsored by BA, neither did anyone else. I counted myself very fortunate to get a turboprop position and built up from there. Now years down the line I find myself staring into the abyss once again at an age when most are enjoying the rewards of their professions, and along with hundreds of my peers am job hunting once more. I have kids to educate, a mortgage and bills to pay and retirement to consider inside 20 years. I do therefore get very hacked off when 19 year old snot noses come on here whining that jet jobs are not theirs for the taking and thinking that they can buy their way in at the expense of those who cannot pay thousands. Tough luck sonny. You will have known the risks inherent in this game before you ever started and if you didn't, with all the information at your disposal here and elsewhere then you shouldn't be allowed out on your own.

Publicity Stunt???? And if there are jobs- Cheaper Pilots, sort term contracts???

Well said Northern Boy.

Those of us who have learnt our trade (and enjoyed) flying turboprops have surely got the best deal in the long run (albeit muddling through this downturn). I'm in a situation where yes I am flying a jet but I am in the wrong location with a company that could go either way, and yes kids, mortgage the lot.

Jet2 is giving the market a little kick up the arse and I do hope that the trend continue, however small, over the next couple of years.

I look forward to the day when I can have the opportunity of flying for a carrier (Jet2 http://images.ibsrv.net/ibsrv/res/src:www.pprune.org/get/images/smilies/smile.gif) that is on my doorstep rather than travel to the ends of the country to fly.

But, coming back to NB, I knew what I was getting into when I got into this game so am happy with my lot but it could be better...... I think it always could be better no matter who you're wth.


My2p's worth....

Once again, the glass is well & truly half empty on pprune.

35K salary relates to the CTRS scheme, which wouldn't apply to FOs with hours on type, who would presumably join on circa 41K + duty pay + sector pay.

Do we know for sure if they are enforcing the 80% "option" on all new joiners or is this speculation?

I'm not defending the low pay at Jet2, but lets not give the impression we work for 17K basic!

Well said Northern Boy!

:)

Chaps,

Is there a sim check involved in this round of recruitment? & anyone know if the alledged 7 months work would be as a contractor or jet2 employee (ie P45 reqd by Jet2).

Cheers :ok:

If you are lazy like me then a 80% roster is fantastic. Not having to wait for the bus in 'Fred West' at MAN in the winter sounds like a good deal to me! :}

Thanks northern pie eater. I won't make the effort to fill the online form out then if a Yorkshire lad of your calibre has not been selected! Back to the beach....

Probably best you don't apply if you think Manchester is in Yorkshire.
May I suggest taking an atlas to the beach with you! :O

The Yorkshire reference was made in connection to my esteemed former colleague who is from the People's Republic of Yorkshire. As for me, I would never move to the place! :ok:

Just a thought. I may be wrong but I was under the impression that new hires would be offered a permanent contract albeit 80%. So, this salary will be paid in 12 monthly increments except you won't have to turn up for work for 5 of them. IF it's the same deal I was offered you can do what you want with those months, including flying for someone else (with permission ) up to 300hrs. Not a good deal for this winter but things will change, plus the company is definately expanding and it is PM's stated aim that he wants B767's in the future. Not a bad position to be in at present I would have thought, for those joining us soon. I stand to be corrected about the contract terms but anyone joining Jet2 now could have a pleasant surprise carreerwise in the next couple of years. Sorry if that makes the pot half full but thats just me.

For those who have been invited for an interview, when will it be and for which type (B737 or B757)...just wondering since the posts here seem to have died down...

Well another 757 is confirmed as coming, and a possible 2nd

so at a guess mostly 757, although there are a few 737 drivers leaving and maybe more if they leave to work for FR!

hi folks. I was just wondering if anybody has attended their interview yet ? If you have , would you mind sharing your experience with others ? For example , were there tech questions and if so , on what subjects ? Also , were there many " give me an example when you have . . . " style questions ? Any help would really be appreciated although I understand if you want to keep it to yourself :-) thanks in advance

So is that it now? If you haven't heard by now for an interview can we assume we haven't been selected? :{

Has many people actually received a "thanks but no Thanks" letter/email.

Just wandering

Probably more aircraft coming so at least some chance of more spaces!

Haven't heard anything either way sadly......:{

Had the "thanks but no thanks" email last week!!:(

Hello,
I along with a few others were interviewed in march 2008(passed placed "hold pool" as non-type rated, don,t know whether i,ll ever get a job though!). Very relaxed affair, tradiational type interview "tell me about your career, your pastimes, how did your last sim check go, where do you see yourself in 5 years,why jet2, what skills to bring us,which basing, will you move,will you stay,any experiances in the air,what was the outcome? no specific tech questions.Lasted about 20 mins. Had quite a nice chat. B737 fleet manager, HR guy(gone now) and NH(gone now). Hope that helps. Good luck.

yea, sorry for that. just wondering, how mane hours do you have?

Am I wrong or they are only contacting UK citizens ?

I guess mainly because they are close to their bases, better than someone coming from abroad and able to leave if he finds a job elsewhere.

Let us know.

Try and stay positive and see what happens over the next few weeks.

According to rumour control there will be a fair increase in flightdeck positions, but as things "are changing on a day by day basis" that has yet to be confirmed obviously.

Good place to work, nice folk. Not Ryanair money but 4-500 hours per year who cares. I'm southerner through and through but all the bases have some really nice towns and country to live amongst ie Harrogate(All of North Yorkshire)/Lytham/Gosforth and Jessmond.

Good luck

Good to hear positive vibes :ok:

Is the Jet2 deal as a contractor or permanent?

Rgds, WBW.

ps: It may not be ryanair money, but it's not ryanair terms & no benefits either :hmm:

I agree that everyone should try to be positive and patient.
Remember that the recruitment has only just begun and will likely continue for some time.

Also however remember that like Ryanair, Jet2 is very much a low cost airline taking any and all cost saving measures in these difficult times, including external recruitment in favour of internal promotions and transfers.

I'm sure Jet2 is not restricting itself to UK citizens, although I expect those being selected for interview at this stage are likely already situated where vacancies are forseen for next summer.

It is difficult to know what sort of contracts Jet2 has in mind. Jet2 may well offer a choice of temporary or permanent part time.

It is also likely that all successful candidates will be placed in a hold pool and may be offered a job only when Jet2's precise requirements are known, probably in the spring.

I suggest attending the interview armed with many questions, and then let us all know the answers.

Apparently it's now a 70% contract that is to be offered, although the details are to be confirmed. I know what people will say about it degrading the t's and c's of those already working for the company, but for those of us out of work (or shortly to be made redundant) its gotta be better than nothing.....

Its probably the same contract that was offered to all existing permanent staff this year, so external candidates are not being offered anything more or really anything less. The company in my own view (others i am sure will disagree ) is a great place to work. Yes terms and conditions aren't as good as BA/ThomsonFly/Virgin, but none of those airlines are actually hiring people (there may well be a correlation there). So again you watch your costs you keeps your job. There is a wide and varied route structure, F/O's were promoted this Summer to LHS and there is no antagonism between the crews. They tend to recruit to a base and seem to like people who are local to that base, if you are recruited to your home base i think 1) You are less likely to leave 2)most take a little less money as there are no major travelling expenses or and aren't renting a flat.

There is talk of expansion and more talk of flying longer distances, i am sure in the fullness of time. The CEO is open and appears in a crew room at various points to say hello and you are able to express your views to the Man at the Top and his number 2. There may have been some teething problems over last 8 months but it seems the management are going out of their way to keep channels of communication open.

You may not end up rich in this company in the way that a BA captain of 25 years service is rich but i reckon you will enjoy your flying and smile when you go to work.

'The CEO is open and appears in a crew room at various points to say hello and you are able to express your views to the Man at the Top


Depending on his mood you will get a F**k Off at best and your P-45 at worst!!

Good questions to raise are; leave, staff travel, why his management are bribing flight and cabin crews to sign up to new contracts while those who dont wear a uniform aren't, when will be purchasing an aeroplane thats under 20 years old and if he's looking forward to working with BALPA!! :ouch:

Those who like to demonstrate how far they can get their head up his rear end will run over with evidence to show how much fuel they saved on their last flight or to say how wonderful everything is. The rest of us who've seen it all before or have a shred of common sense will scowl off, tipping our hats (if we had them) back into the corners, slowly working our way to the exits......................:oh:

Its not all doom and gloom though and on the whole, it isn't a bad place to work. (For now)

Well said 727.
I know someone who was offered the job on the 737 recently and told because of the resession jet2 would only offer him £29,000. What a nice bunch they are.
I feel sorry for the guys out of work but if he didn't take it you know there'd be twenty guys behind him who would :confused:

Soooooperb Evian. It is just a market place. Right now, we are being shafted because we are two to a penny. It will change, then the entrepreneurs like Meeson will be forced to pay the market price. They will , because that is what they do & deserve all the success they rightly deserve. I would not take the risks that these high profile players take.

So, I will apply. Hate Balpa & will try to negotiate my own terms & conditions. Not a "cloth cap ,er, bruvers, unite to smash big business type,"but a COMMERCIAL pilot. I do this for money. I hope to come away from the interview with a seperate contract & hugely excessive pay to the Balpa clones .

Good luck chaps. Stay with Jet2 when Meeson sees the light and pays more when we are NOT two to a penny. He will. If he doesn't, leave. Simple. COMMERCIAL pilot's Licence. For Hire & reward. NOT a 16 year commitment to a type B Commission...eh ?

So, I will apply. Hate Balpa & will try to negotiate my own terms & conditions.


........................:rolleyes:

Just received a call and I am invited for interview (B757) in a few weeks.

Any information on what to expect?

Cheers!

See my previous post.

Been called in for an interview in a few weeks as well, TR'd on the 757.

Reading the forum and speaking face to face to some Jet2 pilots give a very different story. Forum seems to be mainly doom and gloom (with exceptions of course) and the face to face talks seem to be very positive and giving the impression of a good place to work.

Possibly a silly question, but how come Jet2 are only getting 4-500 hours a year out of their pilots? I've just done that over the summer period only.

P-T, don't know who you've been talking to but most are waiting for the off in the market! Have a look at the salary compared to other people. Unless they live next to the runway at LBA, anyone happy with their salary is a mong.

The flightdeck and cabin crew are all great and that's probably what people who work at Jet2 mean when they say it's a good company.
It's not a chopping airline but a training airline and 99% of the trainers are good guys who's main purpose is to train/teach you alongside telling you bad jokes.
There'll always been someone to help you if you come unstuck.

Saying that, you'll not get much time off. You'll have very high duty hours as our CEO wants you on duty even when no flying. Summer is very busy and winter used to be standbys but lot busier now.
There has been some sort of charm offensive recently but I think most guys know this to be the horseshit that it is. Jet2 is run by the goodwill of the pilots, cabin crew and support staff.
However, saying all that, I know guys are desperate at the moment so come on in ... just don't say no one didnt warn you :}

What does a 'typical' 757 roster look like. all 'there-and-backs', overnights? Trips?
Where are the new joiners likely to be based?

Thanks

They could put you LBA, Man or Newcastle. More aircraft for all bases so could be anywhere. Management changing their minds all the time. Newcastle is a nice base. Man if you like punch ups. LBA if you're ex navy and like landing on aircraft carriers :}

Summer roster is five or six on, two off. maybe one stb in that. Late finish prob with a TFS or PFO, early start after your days off. Saying that they'll do what they need to with you so you could get anything. Night stops are usually charters but rare.

Yeow,
I am with Landflap. Also going to the interview. With us, two to a penny, I am ready to "give "in order to feed my family & pay my 100% 8 X salary mortgage for my house near the runeay at LBA. I am ex Navy & have never had any problem taking the first wire !

Oh, & I do not want any days off. Glad for a job & prepared to pay the market price . BUT, when it changes, I will miss the first wire, Go Around & ballot hard for my T&C. Might even ask for some days off !

Oh & if you think the Unions are great......Look at poor old Wille Walsh & BA.

Cheers, good luck....Wave off !

Count Bawbag "Unless they live next to the runway at LBA, anyone happy with their salary is a mong."

Lets just say Count Bawbag does not represent the average level of intelligence or literacy that prevails amongst the crew at Jet2, sounds like a shining example of what ?? well i shall let you decide that ???

Bawbag can you kindly explain to us all what a "mong" is ????????? Oh you decided not to ? Rather thought silence may be the reply, why dont you crawl back into your hole for Winter and nibble your way through your Winter nut supply and do us all a favour. Or even better i know Ryanair are looking for crew, they have a contract that will suit you down to the ground, just remember you may need a high quality suit case.

Slowjet,
Being ex NAVY is not enough for LBA.You must be trained on carriers and have a qualification in very strong X-wind from the (only) left up to the doors limit wind speed

captkink seeing as my reply to you was taken off. I'll post again.
You like listening to yourself talking out of your arse. If you are left of the centerline I pity any young F/O having to sit next to a chump like you.

Landflap

Good luck with Jet 2, I hope thay you are successful with them.

I have to say I feel you are a little misguided in thinking that:-

(1) Philip Meeson will adhere to you requests of better T&cs once the
market picks up
(2) You will be able to achieve this single handedly.

I feel if you are not in a united union you will not have a leg to stand on. The only way to be effective is to have high membership and stand united. I am sorry to say you will still be a penny to the pound and PM will just show you the door!! Unfortunately, once these low conditions of pay are accepted there will be no going back to the good old days. When you compare PM with MOL of Ryanair its like comparing a shit with a turd!!!

My only advice would be to be party of a union as 300 people singing from the same hymn sheet is better than 1.

I do wish you luck and wish you best for the futurre.

Well said captain Douglas.
There's a reason why Jet2 flightdeck are moving towards BALPA and the cabin crew towards UNITE.

h'mongs is an ethnic minority living in Asia. H'mongs can be found in Thailand, Vietnam and Laos.

Needless to say, they live on 10p a day.

Does anybody know if the DART GROUP made a profit in its last financial year?

Profit was £35 million!!!!!

Now that's not bad is it? :confused:

Count Bawbag,
I have made an attempt in sending you a pm but it mentioned that you are no longer allowed to receive pm's, have you been :oh: by pprune? :)

Any interview feedback? Anyone?

Got an interview in the next couple of weeks (737, 2,500hrs lcc, soon to be laid off).

The interview is really relaxed. HR person and a Pilot conducting the interview. You might get a few competancy based questions, ie : " give me an example when you managed a non-normal situation " . So, have a few examples ready. There were no technical questions . It is really a getting to know you, style interview and I really enjoyed it, to be honest. My interview lasted an hour.

They said that the contract will be 70/30 , ie get paid 70 % salary for the year, but work the summer season ( March - end of October I think ).
Everybody is in a different situation and it is an employers market, but I can't accept that should I be successful, for various reasons.

Best of luck to all that have upcoming interviews. My best advise to you, is really just be yourself.

Take care.

Thanks hkf, I've heard similar to what you have said. Thought they may be offering some permanent positions. Will see what happens.

Hi all,

How long did Jet2 take to get back to you (either positive or negative) after submitting your application. Thanks

4 weeks for a positive reply.

if you do not meet the Jet2 requirements (i e typerated) then you will not get a reply.

I meet all the criteria and am 757 type rated. Have heard nothing - should I give up hope or are others in the same position?

I am 737 rated, current with 800hrs on type and not heard anything either way. :ugh:

Anyone any idea when Jet2 are likely to firm up offers etc? I had an interview last month, and got a provisional verbal offer of a job a couple of weeks ago, but have heard nothing concrete. Just would be nice to get some idea of the timescales they are working to...

Baron Buzz and vorlocgreen - Apparently they are still reviewing applications and calling people for interview so if you haven't heard either way its not necessarily bad news.

Binsleepen - I got called for the interview just a few days after submitting the application. I am 737 rated with about 2000 hours on type.

PW

No news is good news in this case. Jet2 is still a relatively small company on the admin side and, being the only airline recruiting at the moment, interest has obviously been high. Have patience and you may get a call from HR for an interview a few days later.

How did Jet2 contact those who now know? .... email, phone call or letter?

Having recently been briefed by HR about various issues including the recruitment I can say the following:
Candidates are still being selected for both fleets.
Offers will likely be made in around a month.
What will be offered is a 70% contract ie. full time work in the summer and the winter off for 70% of the full salary. So doing the math, Captains circa 46k and FOs circa 29k.

Was interviewed last week. I was told pretty much what crosswind limit said.
70% part time would be ok for me but may not be acceptable for those sitting on offers from elsewhere or having to factor in commuting costs which don't apply to those resident in the frozen north.

Before anyone asks, the interview was as advertised and described elsewhere.

Just waiting and hoping for a break now.

Is there any Manchester based 75 drivers out there can pm me a typical summer roster.

I take it with a 70% contract we'd be maxed out every month through the summer for 29k?

Thanks in advance guys

HFS:ok:

Ps at the interview i was told it would be an 80% contract, which i now take has been changed?

There seems to be a common question here, hope this helps those in the dark...
So far - I submitted my application around Oct 20
They phoned me middle of the last week
Offered interviews this week, and 2/3 8/9 Oct,

Took the early option as I thought its better to be in the system soonest.

incidentally 4500TT, 1500 737FO,

DEMD

As a MAN based captain I worked about 480 hrs this summer. We had 3 Capts sick for a lot of this time who were not replaced. When telling this to FO's I fly with they turn green with envy, so I suspect they are working less than this. Hope this helps.

I did over 600 hours this last rolling year oct-oct and I am a FO!

600 hours eh? No different to any other charter airline I wouldn't think. I've done about that too.

How many guys and girls are Jet2 looking for?

Is the rumour about 767's true? What does everyone think about that?

767s have been rumoured for some time now....however the CEO has now confirmed to the shareholders that it is the intention to add longhaul routes in 2010/11. Also rumoured that two airframes have been sourced etc.

So if longhaul is to be added, then surely that will mean further pilot recruitment? Longhaul as we all know is quite crew intensive.

A very brave move too, if true. Especially as in a few years TOM will be launching the 787 (maybe). I guess Jet2 will be able to offer much cheaper fares.

I guess Jet2 will be able to offer much cheaper fares.

Thats what they said about XL & Zoom. Longhaul is a different animal. A brave company to try the loco/longhaul model again.

DC

quote : Thats what they said about XL & Zoom. Longhaul is a different animal. A brave company to try the loco/longhaul model again

I think the idea is to offer holidays through jet2holidays.com, similar to thomson / thomas cook etc. Yes it will require alot more crews!

I agree it takes a strong business to make long haul work successfully - especially in these times. Selling holidays is probably the only way forward and there will always be demand for good value (cheap?) holidays to places like Orlando, DR, Cancun etc.

I'm sure Jet2 would be able to undercut TOM and TCX. Would LBA be a likely place? Is the runway long enough there?

I see they were interviewing for flight crew again today at low fare finder house.

anyone know which fleet?

Saw this today whilst in WHSmiths

The words long haul and ETOP's stood out


General Manager-Flight Training - United Kingdom - Aviation - 200641541 - Flight Jobs (http://www.flightglobal.com/jobs/job/general-manager-flight-training-united-kingdom-aviation-united-kingdom-200641541.htm)

Job Position: Permanent
Location: United Kingdom
Job Hours: Full-Time
Job Role: Aviation
Company: Jet2.com
Salary: Competitive Package
Posted Date: 17 November 2009 10:18:29
General Manager-Flight Training - United Kingdom - Aviation

CAA Nominated Post Holder

Jet2.com is the North's leading and expanding leisure airline, with a fleet of 737 and 757 aircraft and a dedicated and progressive pilot workforce. As our plans unfold into 2010 there is a requirement to appoint a General Manager - Flight Training to help shape our future.

This high profile and critical role reports to the Flight Operations Director and is responsible for the delivery of the highest standards of classroom, simulator and flight training. In this key position you will take responsibility for the continual improvement and development of our pilot training to achieve the highest standards of efficient operational flying and safety across our fleet.

This position is demanding and exciting and will require a passion for training delivery and excellence. A key focus will be to build strong relationships across our pilot population and ensure we maintain our consistent high standards.

You must clearly be an experienced Training Captain, preferably with long haul, wide body and ETOPs experience. You will also need project and budget management skills. In addition you will have worked in a fast paced and progressive airline and will now be looking for your next career move. This opportunity requires energy, dedication and a passion for training quality.

If you would like to be part of our future then please apply online at our website.

or could it simply be because the current post holder has resigned and heading east.

AC is leaving? To where?

Flydubai
not the first and guess will not be the last

I guess Ade will recruit a few more too.

The words long haul and ETOP's stood outAs did widebody.

Obviously those infamous 767s are still "in the hanger being painted". :bored: (Longest paint job ever)

Anybody know how long it takes from interview to find out?

I have just been on interview (as described; informal chat about CRM, Company, HR stuff, very friendly indeed and lasted for an hour) and I was told that interviewing will be ongoing over the next few weeks and that we all know the outcome by letter before xmas (no SIM evaluation).

Apparently the letter will either say thanks but no thanks, congratulations with starting date in March OR with the offer to be kept in a holding pool.

Good luck to all :ok:

I reckon that the most likely scenario is a position in the hold pool, probably for a year or so until things pick up elsewhere and people leave and/or they expand again.

The very best of luck to all those who have been or will be interviewed. Tough times for us all and very much a buyer's market at the moment. Anyone with an offer already, congrats. Spare a thought for those of us waiting.

I was told at interview that 2x76 are on the cards, one will be based at Man and the other Ncl, Performance issues out of Leeds. Thats why 75/76 drivers with long haul, ETOP's experience are been sort.

I was told the bases on offer were Man,Ema,Ncl one new 75 coming and a Leeds 75 heading to Ncl. 2 x76 coming 2010/11.

HFS:ok:

Well, with a bunch of Thomson drivers possibly looking at redundancy in the new year I can see why they are taking their time deciding who to make the offers to.

I've been quoted 20k to revalidate my 737 rating, I can do a 757 from scratch for the same price. I fully expect a PFO letter despite a good interview and many years of long haul, because there are so many 75/6 peeps floating around. If the gods really are smiling, maybe the hold pool but I cannot justify spending that amount of dosh unless there is a definite offer at the end.

Looks like the job centre come the new year.:sad:

I was told the bases on offer were Man,Ema,Ncl


I'm surprised you were told EMA places were on offer to new entrants??

There are quite a lot of names on the base transfer list and as I understand it, it will be done on seniority (which, too be honest, is how everything ought to be done in Jet2 now growth has dropped off and there are many SFO's who are appraching or have attained command hours).

Although having some more wide bodied, ETOP's experienced guys is highly needed if J2 eventually start doing more 'pond-hopping' routes.

757 speedbrakes,

Jet2 has NO seniority system in place...

I agree, I very much doubt if there will be any EMA places for any new starts into the company.

There is a large transfer list for the EMA base, not all of those on there will get it!!!!

767 last type flown, application at beginning of October, still waiting for even a "piss off" or "hey we like the cut of your jib". Not ideal.

An internal comunication said that base transfers to EMA would be by company seniority if oversubscribed.

According to the internal base transfer list it is VERY over subscribed.

20k to revalidate my 737 rating

Why so much???

Because it's been more than 5 years.

I would hazard a guess that if cheap/temp contract labour can be recruited for EMA, then that is the road Jet2 will take rather then transfering existing relatively expensive pilots from other bases - unless of course you wish to volunteer for part time.

Actually

I would think the reverse.

Remember they are re-basing a 757 from LBA, therefore LBA will be overcrewed and as most of the people wanting a base transfer are from the LBA base it follows what will more than likely happen

cheers

sts

northern boy,
just because it has been over five years since a rating has lapsed there is no need to spend a fortune revalidating. The requirement to revalidate is "retraining at the descretion of the TRTO". I myself renewed a type rating a few years ago. It had been lapsed for eight years after having flown 3000 hours on the type. I had since flown about 5000 hours on two more types. I renewed it with a writen test on systems, and an LST.
For a 737 I would expect this should cost a couple of grand.

The lure of the Beautiful South...then again one Essex lad is moving north to EMA :ok:

Ballsout, thanks for the info. I have been talking to OAA about this and their initial response was along the lines of what you say, however I asked them to confirm and it seems the rules have changed due to JAA regs. I need to do pretty much the whole thing over and that involves 30+ hours in the sim, despite 4000 odd hours on Boeing aircraft since the 73. At current sim rates thats knocking on the 20k mark, including TRI/TRE and the groundschool element. If there was a definite job at the end then I could at least take it to the bank but spending that kind of dosh to renew a rating already in my licence on a maybe/maybe not is a bit much. Incidentally, the 75/767 rating costs the same! Probably more useful in terms of J2 as well. Still waiting to hear from them post interview. Not holding my breath but one can always hope.

Crosswind Limit; Your close........

There is no financial re-emburssment (even though our contract states we're entitled too) for those wishing to relocate a little further towards 'Gods Country'.

This is mostly because, if you ask for it, there will be someone behind you happy to relocate for free, so they'll get it. There is however, an offer of up to 5 days in a hotel should it be required.

As mentioned previously, there would have been an outcry had new joiners been given a base that those currently type rated in the company, had already applied for.

Firstly I would just like to wish everyone on the base transfer list all the best in acheiving your objective. I know being based at or near home makes all the difference to one's quality of life.

Just as I would wish everyone on the fleet transfer list the best of luck in acheiving their transfer - but then we know how that has ended. And it seems Jet2 has managed to avoid much of an outcry by justifying their decision one way or another. Its not about the staff, its about the bottom line.

I hadn't realized that a 757 was to be transferred from LBA to EMA. If that proves to be the case then I take the point. I had thought the "new" 757 was to be based in EMA and that extra capacity/aircraft for NCL was for the summer only. In any case the summer is a long way off and we all know how quickly things change.

I wasn't implying that a base transfer would cost Jet2 very much. Only that if qualified applicants were willing to accept 70% on the basis they were based at EMA, then I would not be surprised to see Jet2 accept those applicants over base transfers, with the one exception of course, and justifying it one way or another.

Best of luck.

northern boy, I think the mistake you are making is that you ask them to confirm the requirement. Once you start asking the CAA that sort of question they move quickly into an ass covering mode and just tel you no.
If you just chip up at the desk with the paperwork signed by the TRE for the revalidation they would probably accept it, that's what i did. I know it's a daft question but I assume you have tried FR? even if you offer to pay them the full wack for the revalidation it would be woth it. 55 new aircraft deliveries over the next few months and need lots of new skippers.
Good luck anyway.

.....or Fly Dubai if your happy to move :bored:

Can't help feeling the original post on this thread has been forgotten and off topic about 50 posts ago. Feel free to start new threads on re-basing and revalidation of TR's and keep this for people who aspire to be able to put in a re-basing request.

Okay!

Following on from the Post above:

1) Has anyone received an 'offer' of any kind?
2) Has anyone without a type rating been interviewed?
3) Does anyone know if this is a renewable contract - or is it just for the 2010 season?
4) Does anyone know if 'contracts' are available as opposed to employment through the company (that is through a personal 'umbrella company' or 'limited company' account)?
5) Does this 'contract' marry in with the rest of the company vis-a-vis promotions and the like?
6) Does anyone know the mind of PM - this recruitment drive seems adorned with 'maybes' and hidden agendas - anyone know the 'truth' - or is it combination of 'fishing' exercise together with an element of wishful thinking regarding future expansion and other factors relating to both the company in particular and the industry in general - which can only be guessed at?

KR

FOK

FOK

If point 6 is speculation then I was lied to at interview.

My understanding is that this round of recruitment is for expansion in 2010....other elements were given to me in confidence, though it seems to be common knowledge, or some informed guessing is going on :D

Has anyone had an offer yet, just wondering the ratio of "Heres a job or PFO"?

I applied.. have heard nothing.. not even PFO :-(

Anybody else been asked to complete verbal and numerical reasoning tests following interview? I was verbally offered a job recently but now have been told these tests need to be completed before contract offer. Anyone else in the same boat?

FD3S

Are you type rated?

Didn't realise they were giving verbal job offers. Thought it was going to be done by letter before xmas. How long after interview did it take for the offer?

Yes I am rated 75/6 and 73. Had my interview in 2008 so its taken what you might call quite a while. Nothing in writing yet so I'm not holding my breath. look forward to getting that letter ....

I applied.. have heard nothing.. not even PFO :-(

I did. PFO e-mail 2 months after initial application. No commercial/jet experience so not an unexpected response in my case.

Anyone heard anything recently?

I did my interview way back in Oct and have still not heard anything back from them.....

Interviewed a few weeks back, couple of weeks after asked to do online verb & numercial tests as mentioned by a couple of others. Nothing so far.

My guess is that in case one is being asked to do another online test that you have been successful at the interview stage? I did my interview in November and no more online tests for me since then...

I completed the SHL tests this week.

All was going well until a man from parcelforce decided to knock on my door for the entire final 3 minutes of the numerical data interpretation test. Needless to say, the latter part of this test did not go well :bored:

Talk about bad timing !

I was told by the nice lady in HR that there was no pass or fail attached to this....we shall see.
Sorry to hear about parcelforce. The multiply button on my calculator got stuck in half way through the test and remains there now, needless to say.......

Speedy688, hongkongfuey01 and kumooz;

This SHL test you mention is not the initial SHL test as done prior the interview but a second online test AFTER the interview, right?

Cheers

Hi highflyer,

I was asked to complete the tests on Monday. My interview took place in October. Prior to this, was my on line application form which I sent a week before my interview.

At the interview, I asked them what would be the next stage of the application process should I be successful at the interview stage? I was told that there were no more stages and I would know within 2 weeks !

So, clearly something has happened since then. I suspect that they have had too many applicants with the right qualities. They now need another way to cut the numbers. Verbal/numerical tests are one way to achieve this.

It has to be said that the current recruitment drive will give Jet2.com a unique insight into the present state of the market - and of the airlines and their strategy. An insight that no amount of market research could provide.

Whether the applicant is a wannabee or an experienced, current, type-rated pilot the snippets of information gleaned from the countless numbers of people applying will be invaluable.

I have always been impressed with PM as a businessman - the success of his businesses year on year. The transition from Channel Express to Jet2. The fact that he commenced operations from Terminal 1 at Manchester Airport without anyone knowing his strategy until it was officially released must have been one of the best kept secrets in recent years?!

It will interesting to see who is employed - whether Jet2 take on current, type-rated pilots from other airlines (cheaper) or whether they will try and engender some loyalty by taking on pilots who are not just looking for a port in the current storm (possibly more expensive) or whether they will try and 'grow their own' by providing type rating training (expensive, unless funded by the applicant).

Probably a combination of all of these, but it will be interesting to see whether PM is looking of a 'quick fix' or long-term commitment.

Seems no news yet - or at least no one is saying?!

KR

FOK

Got a PFO without the 'P' by email recently (2 months after applying).

75-76 rated, 76 last type flown, 750 hours on type, early enough in my career to be considered "cheap" and willing to commit if it was reciprocated.

Don't know what they go for in their selection criteria. If its hours, previous employer or it could even be integrated or modular, the market is that fluid at present they can be ultra choosy.

Forgive me if I am proved to be wide of the mark, but I wonder if PM will recruit pilots coming out of other airlines due to the recession?

The very fact they are employed elsewhere shows that they did not consider Jet2 their first choice airline when times were good. Hard to answer the 'why are you leaving your current airline' and 'where do you see yourself in 5 years' questions honestly - who would move from high pay to less pay unless there is/was a current employment issue - and who would stay with Jet2 in the long-term when the economy improves?

No doubt PM has a cunning plan and this secret is safe for the time being!

KR

FOK

FOK,

You may be right, however, why even waste time interviewing them then? I must admit it was a slightly difficult question considering I used to fly for Jet2. But, peoples situations do change though, I have a lot more hours now, and the thought of a command in a few year time (hopefully!) in what now appears to be a stable airline is much more appealing than a 15 year wait to command in "another", shrinking deteriorating airline. Who knows?

SW

Anyone had a response? Was a no for me. :{

Sorry Busz to hear that, did you also have to complete the verbal & numerical reasoning tests.

No i didnt :\

Sorry to hear that Busz. I think we're in the same airline (Be surplus etc) for the moment. Did you have an interview and then get told no, or did you not get an interview?

I had an interview, got a call shortly after saying they wanted to take my application forward and offer me a job. Haven't heard anything since with regard to what was happening next.

Has anybody had a positive reply yet?

I was under the impression that they would inform everybody by xmas at the latest (i know we have a week to go). I had an interview in November and got in touch with them early December and they said they were still interviewing and hadnt made any final decisions yet.

I had the interview in November and I was told that we would all know before xmas and that NO more assessments/tests were needed...

Well, I just finished the num/verb tests so whether we will know before xmas is unsure in my opinion but let's remain positive especially since some B767 crew from Scotland have entered the pilot market.

Good luck to all!

Well I haven't even had an interview....yet. Spoke to them and they are still going through the applications apparently.

It could have been a polite way to tell me to :mad::mad::mad::mad: off though!!:ugh:

Gazing into my crystal ball I see new horizons - a move North - maybe a new base?

Having witnessed at first hand the shrewdness of PM (and knowing of his past connections with a late Northern airline) I wonder if all this seemingly unprecendented recruiting isn't part of a masterplan that will only now be apparent?

KR

FOK

FOK. Only time will tell, and all of a sudden the veils of mist will clear... I had the interview a few weeks ago, and have had no further contact since. Maybe (to jump on the pilot's bandwagon of baseless conjecture) they want to take over the aircraft and crews that have just become available in a territorial land grab to the North, whilst making a bid towards the Midlands, and to execute the well known cuckoo manoevre by throwing a baby out with the bathwater in the West Midlands. Check mate to Jet Two, and world domination here we come!

Phone call with job offer. Fixed term contract feb - oct. Offer letter in the post which needs responding to within 2 weeks. No sign of a permanent part-time position :(

Congrats Speedy

You never know how things will turn out the end of next summer, fingers crossed.

sts

Seat/base/type?

Well, I suppose it is better than a kick in the bollocks.

And is that still for 70% pay? If so 9 months at 70% pay is actually a pro-rata decrease in pay - ie. work 75% of the year for 70% pay!

At interview I was told it would be 80% pay for 7 months work....employers market I guess :(

Hopefully it wont be an employers market for too long.
Ace
:bored:

FO, MAN, 737. Not entirely sure of the salary but there's a letter in the post confirming it.

How many guys have recieved news regarding Jet2 with an offer or a rejection for either fleet? Were people due to be informed by now? Seems only one so far for the 737. Well done on getting a place in the current market.:ok: Are there still plans to recruit more crew for next year etc?

I've had the same response as speedy688 (phone call yesterday) , and am also 73 FO manchester.

Can somebody put the JET 2 salaries on here? Thanks in anticipation...

Penworth, have you also been offered a fixed term contract, feb - oct?

Yeah fixed term contract is what's been mentioned. Remains to be seen what the salary is like. If its 70% of the salary on ppjn, and then only for 8 months a year, its not going to be pretty......

I’m waiting for the paperwork to come through!

I thought the salary options were:

70% salary on the permanent employment offers, with summer working only.
Pro-rata salary for fixed term contract – that being you receive a full salary plus the sector and per-diems each month, but you are only employed for 7 or so months of the year. From what I can gather, it’s only fixed term contracts being offered just now. If the offer is 70% salary for a fixed term contract, times are going to be very tough indeed.

Let’s see what drops through the door eh?

SD

Ps – RHINO, Jet2 salaries are on their website……

Has anyone else been contacted by Jet2 regarding news and offers. Did the 757 recruitment not take place. Seems it's just the 737 guys getting phone calls.

I don't quite see your point, Flyingbird999.

with regards to hours, I've been informed me that Jet2 were looking at a long term recruitment plan and looking for fairly low hours FO's in order to fill the demographic effectively as it is top heavy with FO's that have a potential for command in 3-4 years and after they were promoted it would leave a void.

So I'm not sure if they were looking for experienced pilots only.

Has the selection been done by each individual fleet? When will the 757 guys that were interviewed find out if they have got an offer.

I am one of the B757 guys who had the interview and completed all online tests and I called HR today. Apparently they are not yet in the position to offer anything for whatever reason so I am in a holding pool, I assume with all other 757 drivers?

It was acknowledged that only a few have been offered a contract. It could be that they are unsure about how many crew are needed or...??

more patience then...

HF

With the unfortunate loss of gsm it may have left jet2 with a desire to snap up the current 767 drivers.
These pilots will be fully rated and all ETOPS trained compared to the jet2 757 pilots who will mostly need to undergo the conversion course on the 767 and ETOPS training too.
The company has been desperate to get hold of a 767 airframe this could be the perfect set of circumstances, take the airframe (minimal painting required as it is red) the crew all trained and also route checked for the falklands operation if they could get the contract off the MOD.
Just my own personal thoughts!

Sts

Scratchingthesky,

Fair point however I am also B767 qualified with ETOPS experience under my belt and surely this will also be the case of others who have been through the interview.

So for the guys who have been told they are in a hold pool. Is that a pool prior to further stages or was it a yes you passed the interview and are now holding for a start date etc. :ok: How many got through?

A lot of people who applied are ETOPS and 757/767 rated and haven't even been called for interview.

Sadly, they are not desperate. This is not a pilots market at the moment. Jet2 can be as picky, and choosy as they see fit.

Hopefully this situation will not last! Good luck to all who have sourced employment, and good luck to those still looking!

What do those who have been offered a contract think of the offer? As far as I can see it is considerably worse than the initial 80% or even 70% permanent part-year contract that was mentioned at interview. Not only is it fixed term, but it is only 7 months of flying, so for an FO looking at £23-24k for the summer. Better than nothing though - good luck to those still waiting on a response from Jet2 or waiting in the holding pool.

Penworth,

I’m not sure that it is any worse than what was discussed at the interview! Only down side is the reduction from 80% to 70% which is unfortunate, but driven by market forces! It was always only going to be 7 months of flying, regardless of permanent or fixed-term offers.

In many respects, the fixed-term contract is not devaluing the position as you will be paid the same rates as any permanent FO within Jet2.

The salary is still pro-rata and you should clear in the order £2700-£2900 p/m, by the time you take sector and duty pay into account, which if we’re honest is not a bad salary at all!

There are no hidden agendas or abnormal upfront costs that others seem to ask for. All in all, I personally feel it’s a good offer in the current climate.

Who knows – keep your nose clean and they may just offer a permanent position…

Best of luck to those waiting to hear and treading water!!

Had interview in Nov, got told I would hear by the 14th, rang on 16th and 22nd still no news, just wondering if no news is bad news or have people been told their results positive or negative and I might still hear something good.

DEMD
Surplus to requirements summer 2010

Chickenstrips

I just meant that instead of £29k per year (for an FO) on a permanent deal, its been reduced to £24k on a fixed contract for the 7 months of flying. I agree though that it in the current market place it's not a bad deal.

Yes any work is better than no work, but that is not a good deal by any standard. Get a job with a turbo prop operator, some are recruiting, even ones with what I thought was sub standard terms and conditions are better than that deal. You'll earn more than that and it'll be full time. Im a little disappointed because I actually thought when I move on from regional turboprops I'd improve my t and cs not sacrifice them. That said good luck to all those looking for work and have applications in process.

£29k for 7 months work is equivilent to appx £42k basic (full time), plus of course there is sector pay and hourly allowances as well (adds to about £50k approx PA). as someone said not bad! Which turboprop operator pays circa 50k pa for first officers?

Sorry I miss understood I thought that was 29 or 24 thousand per annum and 7 months pro rata. If your an sfo with a few thousan hours there are direct entry command opportunities in some turboprop companies earning more than that, which is an option to consider, get some command experience during the downturn.

bluepilot

Yes, it might be equivalent to £50k, but the point is you're not getting it!

What you're getting is circa £29k for 7 months work - which is the same as a turbo-prop FO working full-time.

So unless you can find alternative employment for the remaining 5 months, you might as well be working full-time as a turbo-prop FO - was the point that was being made.

KR

FOK

Or one could take the view 'Why should I work for 12 months when I can get the same money for only working 7 months!'

Very true about why work twelve when you can work seven, depends if you still enjoy flying? I don't feel like three days a week under six duty hours a day, and earliest report of six latest I'm home is half nine as hard work. I'm just suggesting an option for those who want to still fly regularly and have a reliable income. My rate per hour is pretty good in that sense. That's why a lot of us are hanging on to this career isn't it, the flying?

If your an sfo with a few thousan hours there are direct entry command opportunities in some turboprop companies earning more than that, which is an option to consider, get some command experience during the downturn.

Errr, which TP operators would they be?

Spanner

Carpat Air (Romania), OLT (Germany), Darwin (Switzerland) and Eastern Airways (UK), all Saab 2000 operators and have all recruited recently, I expect Eastern to recruit again soon, always worth a c.v. Once again good luck to those looking for work. I would imagine familiar faces from Globespan to be already lined up for a position at Eastern.

Oh and I stand to be corrected but Ive just remembered I think Logan air were asking for applications in the last few weeks, at least there has been talk of interviews at work.

PaulW

Ta.

Spanner

Had 'the call' :ok:
Good luck to anybody else waiting.
Happy new year.

Yea me to. They offered me FO, 757 ,LBA, 70 % permanent deal with perhaps the chance of 100 % after the Summer.

For me though, I couldn't accept it. I am lucky enough to already have a job ( which is full time / permanent ) ,so I could not justify risking no work in the winter. Also, I could not survive on such a salary decrease on the 70 % deal either.

It's a real shame, because from what I saw and talking to the people I met at the interview, it seemed a friendly Airline to work for. It would have got me home to West Yorkshire aswell. I still can't believe that I had to turn it down.

If I had known that the only contract on offer was 70 %, I wouldn't have bothered filling in the application form, only because I knew I couldn't take a cut in salary. Maybe they will start offering full time , permanent positions in the future, who knows.

I understand that there are many Pilots who have applied to Jet2 without jobs at the moment. I wish you all the best and hope all goes well for the future.

Take care.

Interesting that 75 guys are being offered permanent 70% work whereas I and some others I know on the 73 have been offered a fixed term contract for S10 only. Anyone been offered a contract that contradicts this trend?

Anyone on the 75 fleet been told a definite no yet?

The Website now has a link for Direct Entry Type Rated Captains for both 757 and 737 Fleets. Have they recruited the required number of F/O's and only require Captains now? How many have heard a yes or no for the 757 Fleet. Seems like a smaller number than the 737.

Any further news regarding the recruitment at Jet2? Or have the numbers been meet for 2010.

With 757/767 drivers walking the streets, why is PARC advertising the jet2 jobs ???

All sounds horrible & good luck to all of you guys seeking to put food on the table.

Was this on Flightglobal or the Parc website itself. Have they been unable to get the required people from the recruitment drive?:eek: How many got offers and how many have accepted a place?

Jet2 really need to stop cocking people around and let them know where they stand. Interviews in November now that its January are well over due a reply, whether it's a yes or a no.

Anyway good luck to all those concerned. :rolleyes:

I think the FlightGlobal advert proves that, in spite of hardship caused by the recession, some pilots wish to retain their dignity.

KR

FOK

Your assertion of retaining dignity is a little sweeping to say the least. Its a matter of horses for courses.

My mortgage is paid and kids have fled the nest. I have no need (or desire) to work full time and Jet 2 don't need pilots lounging at home in the winter months on full pay. I dare say that there are many more like me out there too. On the contrary it is nice to have an option such as this, 58% work for 70% pay gets my vote.

Good luck to all who are still waiting for news.

Safe flying

Hello evrey1!!

does anyone been invited for selection day of Jet2.com, on Jan 15th from Leeds Bradford...??? for the position of CC....:bored:

I'm not involved in Jet2 recruitment, and only a minion, but the DFO told us in December that they would be using agencies for some of the crewing needs, as was done a few years ago. In addition we are also recruiting for permanent and contract positions directly.

One additional 757 is coming and 2 737s. However, obtaining the second 737 was proving difficult, so maybe the actual fleet numbers are in question, but I'm just guessing.

However, obtaining the second 737 was proving difficult Really? Don't make me laugh! Just how hard can it be in the current market to find a 737 hull.........:rolleyes: Sounds like they aren't really trying........

PP

PM is very particular about his aircraft, if it isn't spot on he won't acquire it. So there may be lot's of 737-300s out there, but if it isn't the right hull at the right price then forget it.

For those joining next year on whatever contract welcome, I think you will find it a satisfying place to work.

It's not perfect, but give me imperfect and paid any day of the week! I have been her just over 4 years and am very happy.

Rudolf.

I heard somewhere he is ex RAF? Is this true?

Not sure why you would need to ask that. If he is ex RAF so what?

Anyway being particular about aircraft is one thing but there certainly is no shortage of hulls out there.

The real issue here is that the guys and gals already interviewed deserve either a yes/no or a bit of feedback to let them know why the delay.

Come on Jet2! A bit of feedback for the potential troops please, good CRM and all that.

Please don't emulate the pikey from Dublin with poor comms :ugh:

The RAF thing was just a question. "Please Don't emulate the pikey from Dublin with poor comms?" What do you mean by that?

Yes but Ryanair do not leave anyone wait that long for an answer. Be it for command positions or cadet. The "pikey" he refers to I am presuming he means MOL, is not from Dublin he is from W.M.

Spot on bluepilot.

Come on Jet2! A bit of feedback for the potential troops please, good CRM and all that!

There are more rounds of interviews..............

PM is ex-RAF.

I met him in Kent many years ago when he was flying a red Jaeger sponsored Pitts (helped him man-handle it into the hanger on several occasions).

If my memory serves me correctly he flew Hunters in the RAF. He left, became British Aerobatic Champion and flew airshows in the Pitts during the 70s.

I know we had a good laugh at the tales he told in the bar and he used to stay in the clubhouse bunking down with the rest of us (in his own bunk I hasten to add!!!).

He seemed a great bloke - this was before his motoring and aviation exploits so I have no personal knowledge of the PM of today.

KR

FOK

Something to do with general condition, but also floor spars, plumbing and all that gubbins. Apparently quite a few are set up for legacy carriers, and it is quite an expense to convert to a low cost cabin layout.