I am travelling with FR9312 from Torp to Pisa on Saturday. This is my first flight with Ryanair, and I was wondering how their jumpseat policy is. Should i send them a e-mail to ask first, or just ask the FA while boarding?

Please excuse my English, i am a non-native speaker.

Nikky

Policy is same as every other airline after 9/11

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Hi Nikky,

Your English is a lot better than some posters on pprune
so no worries there!
Sadly since the twin towers airlines will not allow non
company jump seat rides which is a shame but prudent.

Keep up the interest though! :O

Nikky
Your first flight with Ryanair !! It would be interesting to know what you think of your experience. If you look at some of the threads on this forum, you will see that Ryanair gets a lot of coverage.

Hello!

Also based in Norway, as an ATCO-trainee :)

Out of the last 49 legs I've flown, 45 of them have been on jumpseat.

The only plain "NO! what the hell are you thinking????!?" I've got was with EasyJet (Copenhagen->Berlin). I guess Ryanair is even worse than Easyjet in this regard ...

/TH

thpaulsen: do you have the slightest idea what you are talking about?

If you really think it is unreasonable for the crew to refuse you access to the flight deck just because you are an ATCO trainee, I don't know where you have been for the last eight years.

Well done Nicholas, that sorted him out. What a magnificent person you must be.

Only I couldn't find the bit where he said that he thinks a refusal would be unreasonable.

And which bit of of the last 49 legs I've flown, 45 of them have been on jumpseat did you have trouble reading? Do you imagine that his jump-seat rides were all before 9/11? He's a trainee, perhaps he might be quite young? What do you think, O Great One?

I didnt realise it is still possible to get jump seat clearance these days, i thought the only people able to travel on the flight deck were company employees

I have had members of ATC on the jump seat recently doing familiarisation flights. It was all arranged before hand though through the company/ATC.

Just noticed, apparently we live in the same place!! Great minds think alike!

Eh up lad, thas reet aboot the north, great minds do think alike, as a ex sarrrrferner i only wished id found it sooner! great beer, great scenery, great people.

Hi, and thanks for standing up for me :-)

I didn't mean to imply that it was unreasonable in any way to turn down JS-request. By using the word "worse" I just meant that I guess it will be harder to get a JS-ride with RYR than with Easyjet.

I still have 9/11 vividly in mind, as I reckon most other people in this business have. However I think that some of the paranoia (yes I do think that some parts of the new "security regime" is a result of this) is starting to ebb away as time passes. For example EU is now at last contemplating letting people bring water-bottles on board again.

Recently the "2. Chief Pilot" of a major airline (737-based) attended one of our staff meetings, and he said that if we were interested in familiarization-flights we could show up at the gate without prior coordination and expect no trouble; the only requirement is that we fly back again with the returning flight.

/TH

Nicholas49, perhaps you don't know what you're talking about! The world doesn't revolve around American and UK paranoia. Jumpseat rides are still for the taking with a good many European operators whose national authority apply a common sense approach.

Last Year my freind got a jumpseat ride onboard Ryanair on STN-TSF flight, Dont know he got it, but he showed me the photos. I think I might of been airline training related.

might of been

Kill me now, I am seeing that everywhere these days. I hope to God it was airline related because I would be a tad annoyed if I was made to go throw hoops every time I flew only for some random to be granted flight deck access in flight!

European operators whose national authority apply a common sense approach. The days of friendly random access to the flight deck is rightly gone due to an increasing number of incidents :
Think of :
1) The Russian pilot who let his kids crash an A310
2) The lunatic who tried to force down a BA B744 over Africa in 2000 / 2001

Fair enough if you are ATC or airline personnel, but I don't want randoms in there when the two men up front are being paid to keep me and mine safe.

SOE, one can always find the odd example, but it has to be measured against the millions of jumpseat rides that took place before 911. Strangely enough you don't quote those examples where company personnel were riding jumpseat (Fedex and PSA to name two). What you may not appreciate is that for 50 years the use of jumpseats was as common as muck and in all that time there were very very few incidents. No matter what knee jerk solutions the authorities come up with, you're no safer flying today than I was when I was 28.

It's only the UK and US that have such draconian rules.

The chances are if you fly on a non UK airline on a non UK route you will stand a chance of getting a cockpit visit.

Part of the reason for me becoming a pilot was a jump seat landing that I got into Salzburg some years ago.

Whilst I'm not 100% certain about random people being in the cockpit I think it would be nice to allow kids in again and I'd also really love to be able to take my family and friends on the jump seat. Nearly every pilot that I've discussed this with says the same thing. Most old captains will tell you that the jumpseat was theirs to do with as they pleased.

SW

No it isn't only the UK and US that have such rules. Many Asian countries had them even prior to 1990. Those countries and airlines that have not adopted similar procedures do so in the hope that they will not find themselves targetted in a similar manner.

Whatever our views on jumpseats, there is now a prohibition in many countries and the view is therefore simply academic. Whoever is or was allowed in the cockpit, results in the door being opened more often than is necessary, with the attendent risk that creates. If you are going to have an armoured flightdeck door, it is pointless unless it remains relatively secure at all material times.

It is possible and it's all down to luck, and if you get lucky how well you present yourself. Before I started working for airlines at the age of 17 (post-9/11 by the way) I dressed smartly in a suit and boarded an easyJet flight from London to Edinburgh. I was the first on the plane and asked the Captain if I could jump seat. He thought about it for about 10 seconds and ushered me into the flight deck! Sat there for the whole flight. I later joined the company as crew, saw him in the crew room and a cheeky wink was exchanged!