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Loose rivets
1st Oct 2009, 19:30
I started out calmly enough, but after an hour, on the sixth call to Sony support and customer relations, I'm breathing fire.


After 35 years of promoting Sony, either as a user, or as a computer company owner, I have finally shut the door on them because of their attitude to their own design failings.

The saga of my T/V was horrific, some $4,160 spent on trying to get the thing going. My Sears Warranty covered my #^!!. But that's not the point. What was Sony's answer to the Light Engine issue? They are withdrawing support - world wide - for that technology in about a year. At first I felt sorry for them...they had, after all, produced one of the most photographically perfect pictures I'd ever seen. And I was looking. But when I heard what they intended to do, or not do, I didn't feel so well disposed towards them anymore.

The laptop problems started just under a year ago. The battery discharged at a rate that flattened it in about 4 days. The rubbish spouted by some of their support staff beggars belief, and no one knew what the problem was...for several calls. I told them that unplugging the battery meant that it stayed charged. They still wanted to try a new battery. :ugh: I told them that it rand for the normal time on heavy use. They still wanted to change the battery. DOUBLE :ugh:

Time goes by.

Another call, another answer, but this time it was from someoen with a brain. He'd spotted a bulletin of some sort. It took a few moments to find it, but there it was: Battery discharges at 10 - 15 % per day. That is normal.

NO IT :mad: ISN'T. I put to them a list of reasons why that is a bad idea for a traveling man. I labored the point about going through security at airports and having to unwrap the battery and plug it in just to satisfy the TSA that it really is a computer. (Yes, the battery should be wrapped.) Also, in the UK I like to go to places and lock on to a local signal outside pal's houses at all sorts of odd times. Mmmm...nuf said.

Today, after an hour, I finally got a customer relations person in the US. He finally, got the real picture of what was going on. We had arrived at that point via a list of...Oh, a list so long that I'll die of boredom just telling the tale. Finally he got it...the :mad:ing thing had been made like that. Because it had been made like it, there was no fault - there should be an ergo around here somewhere - anyway if there's no fault, they weren't going to compensate me in any way shape or form.

Finally I gave an analogy that sunk in.

Suppose even if you didn't have to pay for your gas/petrol, and you went to your car which had been parked for 4 days, and it was empty, what would you think? It's quite normal Sir, it was made like that, so it can't be considered faulty.

He agreed. But it didn't make the slightest bit of difference, they will not budge. Not fit for purpose? I fought the T/V one - until I feared that folk would dispatch themselves rather than face another confrontation. We'll see what Visa think of paying for another 'Not fit for purpose' product as a first step.

Squawk7777
2nd Oct 2009, 08:59
I understand your frustration, and I have experienced similar problems with an older technology called DAT or Digital Audio Tape. My first ever was a DAT Walkman TCD D3. It had a specially designed NiCD Battery. The first time it needed to be replaced, I was able to purchase one, second time I was out of luck.

It seemed that Sony wanted to let DAT die as quickly as possible to replace everything with MiniDisc in the late 90s. Some older players cannot be repaired anymore due to the lack of parts (one unit being less than 10 years old). Shame, but I won't let Sony take away my DAT units, no matter what the latest technology is.

Should all hope fail, there's always TASCAM :E

Capetonian
2nd Oct 2009, 09:10
Suppose even if you didn't have to pay for your gas/petrol, and you went to your car which had been parked for 4 days, and it was empty, what would you think? It's quite normal Sir, it was made like that, so it can't be considered faulty.

Good analogy. I used to work for a company where, if a customer or user reported a 'problem', a support ticket would be opened and the problem investigated.

Half the time it would be closed : "REJECTED. This function is as per specification and this matter will not be investigated further."

So the specs are crap and were designed by some techy kid out of college who has no understanding whatsoever of customer or agent procedures in the travel industry, but because the sytem is functioning as per the lousy halfbaked specs, it's OK.:ugh::ugh::ugh::ugh::ugh:

Mike744
2nd Oct 2009, 10:15
My first ever was a DAT Walkman TCD D3. It had a specially designed NiCD Battery. The first time it needed to be replaced, I was able to purchase one, second time I was out of luck.

It seemed that Sony wanted to let DAT die as quickly as possible to replace everything with MiniDisc in the late 90s.

Yep, Sony wanted to rush out a newer format and cease any real backup for previous formats. The change from DAT to MiniDisc was a retrograde step audibly IMO, DAT with no audible compression to MD with ATRAC compression. I said no thanks to MD and stuck with DAT. I went for Tascam, a good choice of format and manufacturer - however as with all old formats the consumable media eventually becomes unavailable.

al446
2nd Oct 2009, 11:06
I have steered clear of Sony for many years now. When I was working as an electronics bod in Amsterdam in the early 80s I got a bit of Sony kit in for repair so went to buy circuit diagram for which Sony charged nearly quarter the cost of replacing the unit with like type. Thankfully the faulty component was generic as, when I priced up some Sony specific bits, it could have cost as much to repair as replace even for 1 small component.

Nevertheless, I have always admired their technological innovation eg CD, Betamax, Minidisc, Trinitron tube etc although their have been some turkeys like the Elcasette. As the posts about DAT show, sometimes this bites the consumer.

NutLoose
2nd Oct 2009, 11:31
;) Bad language involved so be aware

Sony Releases New Stupid Piece Of **** That Doesn't ******* Work | The Onion - America's Finest News Source (http://www.theonion.com/content/video/sony_releases_new_stupid_piece_of)

El Grifo
3rd Oct 2009, 14:14
That'll do nicely sir :D:D:D

cargosales
3rd Oct 2009, 22:25
NutLoose :D

I gave up on Sony when their 'Profeshunul' Broadcast Division quoted 10-12 weeks to supply a part, all the way from their distribution headquarters in Belgium to my local Sony 'specialist' in the UK. :yuk: :yuk:

Sony: Great products when they work but shocking 'service' when they don't. :{

Basil
4th Oct 2009, 09:51
My Sony VAIO laptop has had little rubber feet and screen bumpers fall off.
When a couple of feet fell off they said there would be a charge for replacement.
I pointed out that the machine was still under warranty. They sent me the little self adhesive bits of rubber to fit myself.
When, after warranty expired, I noticed a lid bumper (tiny bit of self adhesive rubber) missing. Suddenly they could not supply the part for DIY fitting. It was now a maintenance job with a minimum price of over £300.

WTF?! £300 to stick on a tiny bit of rubber which shouldn't have fallen off in the first place? GTF!

etymological note:
self adhesive - will remain in place until falling off.

Keef
4th Oct 2009, 10:19
It happens. Big firms think they are unassailable, and find too late that they aren't. There are many examples. General Motors is a recent one. It looks as if Sony is heading to be the next.

You can't tell 'em, and the Board won't believe it anyway.

It changes from "The customer is king" to "The customer is easy meat" to "The customer appears to have gone away."

jimtherev
4th Oct 2009, 17:14
It changes from "The customer is king" to "The customer is easy meat" to "The customer appears to have gone away."

Priceless! :ok:

Loose rivets
4th Oct 2009, 18:22
I posted this before, but it's worth a mention.



Some 12 years ago. When my pal got the insurance money he gave the (vandalized) lap top to me.

It had been all the way to Brussels, only for the insurers to be told that it needed a new mother board. Some 1300 quid. They wrote it off.

I tried to get the board from Sony in my computer company's name. The dry sounding Sony man told me that they finger print test for interlopers before doing any work. Even though the computer was 995 new, they still wanted to stick to the price. And that was with me doing the work. Oh, and if I'd wanted a new BIOS chip, that was 40 odd quid more. It had simply fallen out, and there was no way to tell which way round it went. I took in few clues and tried it with slightly better than a 50/50 chance of not blowing it.

I did a little micro-surgery on the print'd circuit near the bios chip and away it went. Used it ever since.

I was using it until last summer in the UK, and as far as I know, it's still functional. What I do know is that its keyboard is sooooooo much nicer than the new one. So poor is the new one that I intend carrying my full-size Logitech (flat) keyb with me, tedious as that may be. (I got a box of 5 OEM for $90) so cost-wise it's practical.

Booglebox
5th Oct 2009, 06:40
Loose rivets,

A battery discharge of 10-15% / day is, unfortunately, fairly normal on Sony batteries- I'm fairly sure it's something to do with the integrated circuit which tells the computer how much is left in it using up the juice, which apart from being ironic is fairly self-defeating!!

They've also had massive recalls because some batteries exploded (notably in Dells and, though it pains me to say it, Apples).

They're one of the largest battery manufacturers in the world, but I'd never buy any Sony gear- used to be great but has gone very downhill recently!

Loose rivets
5th Oct 2009, 07:40
The battery (now batteries) stay charged if removed from the computer. As I mentioned, it's my opinion that it would be unwise to leave them unwrapped while traveling. I'm probably just in the "Why should I have to?" mood when it comes to unwrapping a battery and inserting it, just to show the TSA and others that it really is a computer...bad enough just having to click it on.

I've just fired it up after a prolonged period with the battery removed, and it's fine. Just like any other computer.

View Document (http://www.kb.sony.com/selfservice/documentLink.do?externalId=C223674&sliceId=1)

What the heck is going on in the computer that needs that amount of power? Not a lot, cos I can't see the difference when I remove the battery.

I'm trying to use it just to talk to as per my other thread. Now I really want to :ugh: