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25th Sep 2009, 05:34
I would just want to know the time frame to reapply again as a cadet pilot if I failed in one of the interviews. Does anyone have some experience on this? Do you think it will be a barrier to be called in the future?
26th Sep 2009, 04:16
Yes, you will not be able to apply again until 10 months from your notice of rejection - I think this is in place to help the candidate to evaluate their circumstances and take steps towards submitting an improved application.
This is true for all stages except for flight grading - i.e. if you fail at management interviews, you WILL be eligible to reapply in 10 months and jump straight to the management interviews. However, if you fail after flight grading, you will not be able to apply for a longer period of time.
26th Sep 2009, 10:33
don't be hassled by a deadline, work hard, improve yourself and apply only when you are satisfied that you will make the grade.
good luck! :)
6th Oct 2009, 18:21
12 months is the time between failing and reapplying. There is no such thing as if you fail flight grading or management interview, you can not reapply. I know there are a few people who fail on either of those stages, and they management to get accepted on their second try and are now working for CX. However, the key to reapplication is to show CX that you have improved your application over the course of the previous 12 months. So consider going to flying school take some flying lesson, or study something aviation related stuff, etc... that will improve your chance on your reapplication! Good luck!
7th Oct 2009, 05:52
hello there,would you think doing a flight training(i am planning to do some flight training in moorabin next yr) in Aus is better than in other countries in South East Asia?in terms of fees,quality and reputation and recognition as well?
cos i failed in stage 1b in 2008 and i am planning to apply to CX again next year once i have finished the flying course(say 10hrs ab initio).and i have also gone through some sort of "semi-formal" ground school in PPL level last year which was given by the AAEP,HK Air Cadet.
Do you guys think the CX would regard this as a progress?
many many thanks mate
7th Oct 2009, 09:29
Thank you for your replies Chaztee.
Frankly,the FTA is a very good option indeed for doing flight training.i have looked into their webpage and they don't seem to offer flight training which is below PPL level....(pls correct me if i am wrong on this one)
P.S...do most of the flying schools in Aus.adopt a "pay as you go" system for the training fees?
many thx Chaztee... and congrats on the admission to CP36
7th Oct 2009, 12:58
i have never trained anywhere outside Australia, so i wouldn't know about the quality of flight training elsewhere; but when you see the many ranks of quality pilots produced here, you can be assured that this is a great place to learn to fly!
whether or not CX will regard this as progress depends on why you failed Stage 1b.
one piece of advice: NEVER pay bulk for private flight training. always exercise the "pay-as-you-go" option, no matter what.
good luck with your flying!:)
7th Oct 2009, 15:25
Thanks for the information mate!:ok:
i guess i 'd better send an email to the AFTC and ask for the details..
but for flight training,would there be any pre-requisite for one with no experience(like i do) to embark on the flying training?
What i am saying is do i need to pass some tests or exams before i can practically sit on the Grob?or is it just as simple as i walk in to the flying school and then start my flying lessions?
(p.s. what i do know is i would require a SPL,Medical,and Immigration clearance by CASA)
many many thanks
7th Oct 2009, 15:48
the assessments only come after you have started your training, you don't need to pass any test to become a student pilot. as for the relevant paperwork, you will need an SPL, ASIC card and valid CASA Class 2 medical. apply for these ASAP, CASA is not especially known for its efficiency. make sure you get your SPL and medical certificate in time before your first solo - you cannot go solo without these.
i don't know about visas and immigration policy, but i'm sure that CASA is not responsible for this, you will have to check with DIMIA.
14th Oct 2009, 16:31
Thx Holdmetight!!i have contacted the AFTC and they email back to me saying i would only require the tourist visa to start my training.but this would only allow me to "joy fly" the aircraft .so what i need to do is to fill in the form and mail to them..as simple as this..and of course my cash
he is also suggesting me to apply for the CASA Aviation Reference Number.i know it is not a 100% necessary,but would it do me any good?
many thx again,
14th Oct 2009, 16:37
good luck guys! :ok:
14th Oct 2009, 17:06
pandaman, "joy-flying" the aircraft is just another way of saying "trial instruction flight". because you aren't on a student visa, they cannot give you any formal training. so unless you are happy to fly around the training area and get a few hours, you should apply for a student visa. that way they can give you proper training and you will get somewhere.
an ARN from CASA is free (if my memory serves me right), and you will need to use it in the future anyway when you start training with CX. i'd suggest you get one now.
19th Oct 2009, 15:50
to answer the original question, yes i am confirming that the time frame for reapplying is about 12 months from the date you were rejected. however you should contact cx 9 or 10 months after your last interview, to let them know you are interesting in reapplying. that way they can schedule you for another attempt at your last interview.
about AFTC, they are part of the same company that owns FTA, they share aircraft and resources like maintenance so any training done here will look good in your cx interviews. AFTC doesn't provide accomodation. you will need a student visa to train in Australia and then apply for a CASA student pilot's license (incl. medical etc) before you can fly solo. you can, however, start your dual flying and log this without an SPL or medical.
1 hour dual in a grob is approx $220-250AUD, and this includes some lectures and preflight briefings.
Another alternative is to go to Florida or California and do an intense PPL course over about 4-6 weeks.
20th Oct 2009, 04:32
thx for your info.
i did contact the AFTC who said the dual rate for Grob is 203 aus. dollar.and i am on;y required to bring along my tourist visa and cash!!
so i think i am going there soon...
20th Oct 2009, 07:54
AFTC, they are part of the same company that owns FTA, they share aircraft and resources like maintenance so any training done here will look good in your cx interviews.
Make that "any training done well there will look good."
CX has complete access to training records at FTA/AFTC.
20th Nov 2009, 15:01
Hey Guys! Thanks for the replies. There has been only one thing that has been bothering me for quite for a while now. If I didn't make it through to the 2nd stage, what are my chances of being called again? Could it be that they only want to interview cadets once? Do they usually give a chance to those who didn't make it through?
Thanks in advance
20th Nov 2009, 21:42
If I didn't make it through to the 2nd stage, what are my chances of being called again?
i would say quite improbable, given the array of candidates they can choose from. personally i've never heard of any "second chances" being handed out, unless you're applying a year later.
20th Nov 2009, 23:55
I meant a year later. I just wanted to know if my previous interview and test records will be held against me.
21st Nov 2009, 03:03
I just wanted to know if my previous interview and test records will be held against me.
they definitely keep a record of your previous assessment. i started an online application last night and was given the same candidate number i used on my first attempt.
provided you can demonstrate improvement from your first application, i don't see why they would refuse you a second chance.
30th Nov 2009, 01:12
For someone who has their CPL/MIFR, but has failed the interview, what would you guys suggest for me to improve on/or do, in order to score a higher chance in getting accepted a year later?
4th Dec 2009, 13:28
Even failing flight grading can still get another chance to reapply and get into the cadet prog?
How long is the cooling off period then?
4th Dec 2009, 19:08
what interview did you fail? There are 3 interviews?
Don't you think you need to give a little bit more information if you want a serious answer to your question? Rather than just blurting out "what can I do better".
If I was to second guess the particulars of your application, you would have failed by making the same mistake all other CPL/MEIR make when applying for CPP - that is thinking you have the job in the bag at Stage 1.
CPP is for 0 hour pilots but we have many with upto 800 hours who have gone on the course. Now obvioulsy, a 0 hour pilot will not be asked a CPL standard Flight Planning question. Likewise, we will not ask a guy of your calibre something silly like what are flaps. You will be asked questions based on your experience.
I have heard that there have been numerous occasions when a CPL ME/IR gets into a hot sweat when asked whether Induced Drag and Profile Drag increases or decreases with speed.