7 Die in Iran Airshow crash

[Diedtrying]

Anyone heard about this? Hope to god it's not Israeli or or American as there is talk over the net that Iran shot an unidentified object out of the sky today. :eek:

[FJ2ME]

Whilst the crash of any aviator is obviously bad news, widespread reports in the press of this being an Iranian plane involved in the air show and parade to 'celebrate' the start of the Iran-Iraq war.

The Press Association: Seven die in Iran plane show crash (http://www.google.com/hostednews/ukpress/article/ALeqM5hmOjjVhNXMQnMrNz55WnHF1BEgfA) refers...

So twitchy fingers relax from the red buttons please..!

[Da Do Ron Ron]

Gulf News reporting air show crash

Iranian military plane crashes during air force parade: report

AP
Published: September 22, 2009, 11:05
Tehran: An Iranian military plane has crashed south of Tehran while it was flying in an air force show.

The official IRNA news agency says the plane crashed into farmlands just outside the Iranian capital during an exhibition flight that was part of a military parade marking the anniversary of the start of the 1980-1988 Iraq-Iran war.

There was no word on casualties or details about the type of plane that crashed. Various types of Iranian military planes took part in Tuesday's show, including US made jet fighters and bombers, Russian-made MiG-29, Sukhoi 24 as well as Iranian Saeqeh, or Thunderbolt.

[Diedtrying]

Cheers for that. Wont need a change of underwear just yet.

[markch2000]

Sketchy details currently. But at an Iranian airshow today (Sept 22) marking the anniversary of the start of the 1980-1988 Iraq-Iran war, an aircraft has come down.

It has not been reported as to exactly what aircraft it was, but state radio has said it was a transport aircraft which has crashed just south of Tehran

7 people are rumoured to have died, but it is not clear as to whether it was crew, or people on the ground.

[asyncio]

Latest update says it wasn't connected with the airshow

Tehran, 22 September: The public relations office of the Islamic Republic of Iran's Air Force has issued a statement saying that the crash of an aircraft in Qarchak [area] in Varamin [south of Tehran] was not related with today's military parade.

According to a Mehr correspondent, the deputy head of the public relations office of the Islamic Republic of Iran's Air Force for cultural affairs said that the air manoeuvres staged by the Air Force units during today's parade were successful and the crash of an aircraft in Qarchak in Varamin had nothing to do with today's parade which marked the beginning of Sacred Defence Week [anniversary of the 1980-88 Iran-Iraq war] and was held beside the mausoleum of the founder of the Islamic Republic of Iran [Imam Khomeyni].

[Northbeach]

I was struck by the insensitivity of your comment, beneath you really; something I would expect to read from the “you-tube” crowd not somebody of your caliber. I congratulate you for deciding to remove it. The dead were fellow aviators with their own lifetime experiences moving metal through the sky. It doesn’t matter if they are Russian, Chinese, African, Arab, Iranian or whatever. As pilots we may not speak the same language, and we come from completely different upbringings but we should feel some sort of kinship and empathy for the death of a fellow aviator-I do at least.

The other side to this is the value to the aviation community of whatever lesson should be learned from the accident. It should be “news” to the aviation community; not only news but an accident investigation as well. I am not so arrogant to think that I am immune from disaster when I am in the air.

For those of you who knew the aviators involved, anybody on the ground that was effected and the wave of humanity that are immediate family, extended relatives and friends of the dead you have my heartfelt condolences and sorrow for your heartache that will never be completely erased caused by the loss of this flight.

I grieve for your loss…..

[Diedtrying]

Deleted as post wasn't directed in my direction.

[FJ2ME]

Northbeach, while I echo your sentiment and I applaud that the original offensive comment has been retracted, you do lay it on a bit thick don't you? In my original post I suggested that the death of any aviator was tragic, and i also fully support your theory that any accident can be learnt from, but don't delude yourself that the families of the Iranian victims of this nasty accident give 2 sh!ts what you or the rest of your 250 million countryman think.

Personally I find it offensive that you claim to "grieve for their loss", and that this somehow detracts from the good points you make. You never knew these people and they never knew you so don't claim their families' grief for yourself. A simple expression of dignified respect is all that is required not a bleeding heart diatribe of emotional nonsense.

Rant = Off

[BentStick]

Why celebrate the start of the war :confused:

[411A]

Why celebrate the start of the war
Must be something in the local water supply...:bored:

[Super VC-10]

It was an Ilyushin IL-76MD.

ASN Aircraft accident Ilyushin 76MD 5-8208 Varamin (http://aviation-safety.net/database/record.php?id=20090922-0)

[Super VC-10]

Looks like it was their AEW Il-76MD that was lost.

Photos: Ilyushin Il-76MD Adnan 1 Aircraft Pictures | Airliners.net (http://www.airliners.net/photo/Iran---Air/Ilyushin-Il-76MD-Adnan/1345878/M/)

[Agaricus bisporus]

Why celebrate the start of the war

Because Iraq is an extremely dangerous propaganda-led near Nuclear rogue state that propagates a mad, warped kind of Islam that bears little resemblance to the teachings of Mohammed. It has stated it's intention to "wipe Israel off the map". It gorifies war and uses Jihad as a policy of state.

The loss of one of its few AEW assets is one that will be met with great relief (that's probably quite an understatement) by many right thinking people both near Iran, and much further away.

As for mawkish sentimantality for its occupants, I think that is entirely inappropriate; even more so that the usual inappropriate expressions of grief for strangers that people have never met that is so prevalent on this forum. Of course one regrets any loss of life and it is entirely right to say so, but to express grief or condolences for military members of a mad, bad state publically committed to a policy genocide is surely bizarre in the extreme?
Unless, of course, you support their aims.

[ORAC]

Because Iraq is an extremely dangerous propaganda-led near Nuclear rogue state :hmm::hmm:

[Gainesy]

I've seen one report that states it was hit by an F-5 as a flight of F-5s joined it for a formation flypast over the parade. It did not say if the F-5 pilot ejected. This was originally the Iraqi AF AEW which legged it to Iran in GW1.

[BOAC]

All very confusing - the JB thread links to DEBKAfile - Iran loses its only AWACS as Ahmadinejad threatens the world (http://www2.debka.com/headline.php?hid=6280) which says it was in the display whereas posts here say it was not. I guess the truth is in short supply in Iran.

[Jackonicko]

It was Iran's Simorgh AWACS , a former Iraqi Air Force Adnan, and it collided with an F-5E during the parade/flypast.

The flaming wreckage landed on the mausoleum of the Ayatollah Khomenei.

I couldn't help smiling just slightly, despite the loss of our fellow aviators.

[Super VC-10]

I'm not so sure there was a mid-air collision. Looks like there may have been more than one accident.

http://uskowioniran.*************/

Hmm, looks like there is a censor on. Pity about that. It's the first link on this search:-

Iran Awacs crash tehran - Yahoo! Search Results (http://uk.search.yahoo.com/search;_ylt=A03uv8vTJLpKnogAzidLBQx.?p=Iran+Awacs+crash+tehr an&fr2=sb-top&fr=my-myy&rd=r1&sao=1)

[ORAC]

From the link:

Facts are now in concerning the tragedy at the 2009 Sacred Defense air show in Tehran. On the 22nd of September, at 09:02 hours, IRIAF Il-76MD "Simorgh" (Baghdad-2/Adnan-2, No. 1 with 5-8208 serial) crashed near Varamin City, killing all seven crew members aboard.

At 09:02 hrs, the pilot radioed to Mehrabad control tower that the aircraft's engines under the right wing had caught fire. The tower signaled the aircraft to attempt an emergency landing on 29LeftRWY.

Upon final approach, due to the aircraft's undesirable angle of attack, the over-fuselage rotordome detached and collided into the vertical tail sections. After that, the aircraft suffered a catastrophic crash.

[Super VC-10]

Just to add to the confusion, Defensenews says there was a mid-air.

Iranian Military Planes Crashes in Annual Parade - Defense News (http://www.defensenews.com/story.php?i=4289949&c=AIR&s=MID)

[Gainesy]

the over-fuselage rotordome detached and collided into the vertical tail sections.

WTF? So it mid-aired itself?
Not very plausible.

[Super VC-10]

Maybe not, but if it became detached as a result of a collision with a F-5E, that scenario is plausible.

[Gainesy]

Hmm, docking the rotodome was always a tad risky.

[ChristiaanJ]

Since we will NEVER EVER see the result of the Iranian Board of Inquiry into this crash, speculation is pointless...
Without any credible news coverage, even the sequence of events is little more than speculation, too.

As to the RIPs.... did you know any of these people? No? Then PLEASE shut up.
At the most, they were a few more victims of a murderous regime...
Just check out their latest "election".
(Thanks, Agaricus bisporus)

CJ

[kkabir]

Hey guys,
I'm new in here
About this news, I found a video of PressTV, State-run English TV, reporting this accident.
Please watch it,
Tell me whats is that thing at sec 0 to 40 ???

YouTube - Iran: Plane Crashes in Varamin 23 Sept 2009 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kcvhQUXOWKQ)

[ChristiaanJ]

kkabir,
Not sure what you mean?
In the first few seconds, I think you're looking at the nose and front fuselage, nearly upside down.
Around 0:40 and just after, it looks like a fuselage section that somehow has stayed more or less in one piece.

Thanks for the video.

CJ

[kkabir]

Thank you,
Yeah, I meant that nose. Is that the nose of an Il-76 ?
As you know, the only AWACS Iran has/had, is an Il-76. You can see that in here. (http://cdn-www.airliners.net/aviation-photos/photos/5/6/7/1315765.jpg)
http://cdn-www.airliners.net/aviation-photos/photos/5/6/7/1315765.jpg
As you said, that thing in the video looks like a nose section. But the size is so small for an Il-76. While it is far apart from the main fuselage burning. Is that a F-5E? As mentioned in defensenews report (http://www.defensenews.com/story.php?i=4289949)?
If not, what do you think about the model of this nose?

[ChristiaanJ]

kkabir,
My first guess was obviously wrong. It's not the nose.
I would say, after looking closely at the photo you posted, that it's the extreme end of the fuselage, lying upside down.
The paint pattern corresponds, the shape corresponds, and if you enlarge the tail of the IL-76 in the photo you posted you can even just about see the two pipes at the back that you see in the video (fuel jettison? flare tubes? no idea what they are).
Very much not an F-5E...

CJ

[Dan Winterland]

The Chinese also lost an IL76 AEW aircraft in a handling accident. Looking at the design, you have to question the wisdom of mounting the radome in front of a T tail.

[thegypsy]

Agaricus bisporus


I presume you mean Iran not Iraq??

[TEEEJ]

Hi Dan,
There was initial confusion of aircraft type after the 2006 Chinese crash. Some news agencies went with the type as being the KJ-2000 (IL-76 variant ASIC (formerly ASCC) Codename MAINRING). Images of the crash site showed the remains of the balance beam radar of the KJ-200 (Y-8/An-12 variant).

Chinese Defence Today - Shaanxi AEW Aircraft Crashed During Test (http://www.sinodefence.com/news/2006/news06-06-08.asp)

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/06/07/world/asia/07china.html?_r=2&oref=slogin

ASN Aircraft accident Shaanxi KJ-200 (Y-8) ? Yaocun (http://aviation-safety.net/database/record.php?id=20060603-0)

TJ

[heli-cal]

That Iran has lost this type of aircraft is good news.

The Iranian military are the very means by which their rulers will use to fulfill their publicly stated intention to "wipe Israel off the map".

The fewer military personnel available to support their proposed genocide, the better!

[Spunky Monkey]

Heli
Not always the case.
Some people in the military, do the job, because it is a job.
They have families and need the income.

I was in the military and was not hell bent on killing as many Arabs as I could. I did my job as a professional not to forward the political motivation of the UK and US.

When I met soldiers from other nations, they were very similar to ourselves. They wanted to do their job and go home on leave.

I don't doubt that there are nutters on all sides. I am not going to shed any false tears over people I have never met, and would be miffed if people cried false tears over me.

Yet people are kidding themselves if they think that this one aircraft would make the slightest bit of difference in a proper shooting match.
It would disappear quicker than a Halliburton Ethics Inspector.