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Aerostar600A
26th Aug 2009, 09:22
Is it permitted these days in some of these modern single engine piper's or cessna's for example?
or is it only permited in single engine turbine powered aircraft?
Can someone smart on here refer me to the correct CAR.
Thanks
600
Unhinged
26th Aug 2009, 09:37
CAR 175A Restriction on IFR Charter Flights by Single Engine Aircraft
Not allowed.
It isn't allowed in single-engine turbine aircraft as-of-right, either. ASETPA approval involves a fair bit of work, plus additional check and training commitments.
Aerostar600A
26th Aug 2009, 09:40
is single engine VFR charter allowed?
I guess it must be with all the joy flight operators around town.
Zoomy
26th Aug 2009, 09:45
Aerostar where are you going with all this?
Heres one - Can a tecnam pilot fly IFR without so much as a clue to where they are or what they are doing? (dont bash me its a joke):bored:
goin'flyin
26th Aug 2009, 09:47
Single engine VFR CHTR - no worries.
Single Piston engine IFR CHTR - NO WAY,
ASETPA - can be done, it is achievable, but a massive job dealing with CASA ( :ugh:) and the very limited number of people within CASA who have any idea about operating a Single Engine Turbine (or any aircraft for that matter) on IFR CHTR. :sad:
Unhinged
26th Aug 2009, 09:48
Day VFR only Ref CAR 174B
They're on-line here: http://www.casa.gov.au/rules
Easy to search ...
Depends on the purpose of the charter.
Freight is OK.
Ref CAR 175A Para
(c) charter operations that do not involve the carrying of passengers
for hire or reward;
Aerostar600A
26th Aug 2009, 10:28
zoomy,
there is one in every crowd!
to every other person who replied, thanks for taking my question seriously and thanks for replying.
600
Zoomy
26th Aug 2009, 20:28
Mate read the text, joke was implied.
Now if you take your flying serious and you have to rely on Pprune for a question like that, then lord oh mighty.
Try logging on to the CASA web site and finding out for yourself.:bored:
Atlas Shrugged
26th Aug 2009, 23:24
Can a tecnam pilot fly IFR without so much as a clue to where they are or what they are doing?
There's another type of Tecnam pilot????
bushy
27th Aug 2009, 01:39
I hope that was not meant to be a serious question.
j3pipercub
27th Aug 2009, 06:22
I thought the FAA were clsoe to certifying the Cirrus for SE IFR? Happy to be corrected on that though. The ballistic parachute was the deciding factor though
bilbert
27th Aug 2009, 08:09
Interestinly enough CASA seems to have dropped 'ASETPA' Approved Single Engine Turbine Powered Aircraft and now use the acronym 'ASEA' which I guess would be Approved Single Engine Aircraft. Subtle perhaps but significant. If there's an engine manufacturer who can prove a better than 1 IFSD in 100'000 hours for a piston engine maybe SE IFR CHTR could get up.
Rich-Fine-Green
28th Aug 2009, 07:37
J3 Piper Cub:
The Cirrus SR22 is approved for IFR Charter in the USA as long as the operator is approved as well.
SATS Air in the USA operates a fleet of SR22 in IFR Charter.
Not sure if it was the Chute or systems that got the approval.
Met the owner when he was on holiday in NZ.
Fly on your own personal aircraft at a cost you can afford (http://www.satsair.com)
ASEA (Approved Single-Engine Aeroplanes) permitted to carry up to 14
passengers with a single pilot and TAWS-B+
ASETPA Approved Single Engine Turbine Powered Aeroplanes
Different kettles of fish