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FRQ Charlie Bravo
24th Aug 2009, 13:28
Briefly. Back in March I was offered a job and accepted it. One condition was that I pay for my own Baron endo and the company would pay for the other twin endo. So did this expense
have sufficient connection to your current employment, that is, the course:

maintains or improves the specific skills or knowledge you require in your current employment, or

results in, or is likely to result in, an increase in your income from your current employment.
or was it an expense which simply

enables you to get new employment.???

If I'd started the job and then done the endo on the first weekend then there'd be no question. However I needed to move cities and decided to do it before the move
:ugh:.

Thanks in advance,

FRQ CB

Quotes are from the ATO's 2009 e-tax Help File.

senshi
25th Aug 2009, 00:29
FRQ,

I think you will find that the test the Commissioner applies is that of whether you are already employed when you further increased your skill (in this case, the Baron endo).

In both cases, the test of whether the expense is deductible, refers to current employment. Unfortunately, (and someone with a greater knowledge of tax may correct me), as you were not wilfully employed at the time of the endo, you are ineligible to claim the expense.. i.e. you needed the endo to get the job.

If you already had the job and needed the endo to progress in the company, i.e from singles to twins, then it would be classified as a deductible expense.

S

The_Pharoah
25th Aug 2009, 01:20
sounds about right. why don't you jump on the phone and ask the ATO? (no kidding...they're actually quite helpful). :ok: they may or may not help but worth a shot direct from the 'horses mouth'.

Kelly Slater
25th Aug 2009, 03:21
Make the claim, take the money. People have been claiming their 737 endorsements for years. If you read the Tax law, you are not entitled to the claim and if you ask the ATO, they will more than likely take that line as they are in the business of taking your money, not returning it. Once you have a ruling, you are finished. If you make the claim and at some time in the future the ATO rules that it is not legitimate, you will be able to justify why you disagree. At the worst, you will have to pay back what you saved plus interest but no penalty would be applied as you believed that the claim was legitimate and can back that up. There may have been a test case with a Virgin Pilot claiming the cost of his 737 endorsement even though he was not employed by Virgin when he undertook it. I am not sure but if there was no test case, I can't see why the ATO would allow this practice to continue but they do. The AFAP should know.