View Full Version : Australia needs more seasons.


Al R
22nd Aug 2009, 07:10
BBC NEWS | Asia-Pacific | Australians 'need more seasons' (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asia-pacific/8215570.stm)

I'm not being funny or anything, but you would imagine they would have settled for a decent middle order before even thinking about the god type stuff.



Wod
22nd Aug 2009, 08:15
you would imagine they would have settled for a decent middle order before even thinking about the god type stuff.


Settle! This guy thinks a cricket is related to the cicada and the locust, both of which respond to mini-seasons here in Oz.

The stuff being reported has been around for a while now. Problem is, there are so many disparate Aboriginal language groups that the mini seasons can't be given nationally consistent names. In any event, as you go further south, so the seasons move towards temperate and Europeanish.

Up tin's way the Europeans do two seasons - Wet & Dry, and the locals count 8 or so.

Interesting stuff actually, but possibly not for JB:)

tony draper
22nd Aug 2009, 08:28
"unhook" itself from the "arbitrary" four seasons it inherited from Brit???
The seasons are not arbitary,they are coupled with events Astronomical,equinoxes solstices and such.
:uhoh:
Silly Billy's:rolleyes:

Al R
22nd Aug 2009, 09:06
Mr Entwisle has proposed "sprummer" - the season between spring and summer - and "sprinter" - an early spring. :oh:....................

Arm out the window
22nd Aug 2009, 09:36
Not so fast there, Mr D...
When your country extends from 50 S or so to close enough to the equator, your seasonal variation is probably much better described in local terms rather than the 3-monthly old standards.
Take far north Queensland for example - 'summer', ie Dec-Feb inclusive, runs through rainy, dryer, rainy again, maybe cyclones. 6-monthly 'wet and dry' seasons don't fit the bill, nor do the old 4 standards.
So rolling eyes right back at ya!:rolleyes:

tony draper
22nd Aug 2009, 09:41
One has to have a datum Mr Arm,one simply cannot run a world on when some colonial wishes to go surfing or fire up a barbie it would be illogical and unscientific,ergo we look to astronomy and the unchanging heavens for our fixed points.
:rolleyes:

ZEEBEE
22nd Aug 2009, 09:49
Classic example of Academics with nothing to do.

Not that I'm knocking Academia per se, but rather the massive explosion of 'ologists" who have to find an agenda at all costs to exist.

Hence we have to listen to crap like that in the Beeb's article.

More rolling of eyes :rolleyes:

onetrack
22nd Aug 2009, 10:09
Mister D - In that case, then, could you please explain (to use a famous redhead pollies term), why the seasons in Oz start officially on the 1st of the month - and not on the actual equinoxes/solstices - as in the U.S.?? Is this just another case of a peculiarly odd Anglo Saxon eccentricity?? :D

Methinks Mr Entwhistle has been sniffing or smoking some of the more hallucogenic plants in his RBG's. Everyone complains about the seasons being out of kilter all the time, anyway - it was all those A-bombs, ya know ..... ;)

Basil
22nd Aug 2009, 10:16
Well, takes our minds off listening to them wingeing about the crease :}

radeng
22nd Aug 2009, 10:38
They have four seasons in California - earthquake, brushfire, mudslide and riot.

tony draper
22nd Aug 2009, 10:50
I think the confusion arose Mr Track because the early ere,settlers(one uses that term in its loosest sense) were not supplied with calendars as it was thought they would just mark off the days thus defacing same.
:)

arcniz
22nd Aug 2009, 11:30
One has to have a datum Mr Arm,one simply cannot run a world on when some colonial wishes to go surfing or fire up a barbie it would be illogical and unscientific,ergo we look to astronomy and the unchanging heavens for our fixed points.

With respect, Mr. Draper, some other distinctions than calendar time may be relevant in regard to seasons.

Is it better, on the sea or in the air, to navigate on the basis of where one should be or where one actually is - per independent observations, etc? Normally anyone seriously interested in the outcome would favour the reality over the specification, non e verro?

As machines grow wiser at modeling the movement and temperature and moisture content of the atmosphere, lands and seas, the information about what is happening and what will happen next grows in detail and precision. In recent years one has marveled at widely disseminated forecasts for parts of the US and Canada, where animated sequential displays will show detailed and often quite complex patterns of forecast cloud, rainfall, winds, etc, - given a week in advance - that turn out accurate to a few miles and a few minutes a week later. Not all turn out right, but a surprising fraction do during periods when they are properly hitting their stride.

One would suggest the actual seasons are a product of concepts similar to the "degree-days" used in serious farming to forecast fruit ripening and bugs molting, so the peasants may labour timely. In effect, the calendar seasons reserve a general time-slot, while currents, atmosphere and solar phenomena control the actual results in a slightly different manner each time 'round.

Diesel Fitter
22nd Aug 2009, 13:23
Mind you Australia's winters can be harsher than many imagine eg
http://l.yimg.com/a/p/i/bcst/channel7/ch7_news/5543/73375595.jpg

And in Queensland -

IDQ1005005
NORTH TROPICAL COAST AND TABLELANDS DISTRICT
Fine. A sunny day. Light to moderate SE winds with an afternoon sea breeze.
Outlook for Monday ... Fine.
Outlook for Tuesday ... Fine.

IDQ1005006
CAIRNS
Fine. A sunny day. Light to moderate SE winds and an afternoon sea breeze.
MIN 17 MAX 29
UV Alert - 9:10 am to 3:40 pm, UV Index predicted to reach 10 [Very High]
Outlook for Monday ... Fine.


IDQ1005008
TOWNSVILLE
Fine. Mostly light winds and a moderate N to NE sea breeze in the afternoon.
MIN 14 MAX 28
UV Alert - 9:10 am to 3:20 pm, UV Index predicted to reach 9 [Very High]
Outlook for Monday ... Fine.



While Britain's summers are invariably tranquil and balmy - from Metoffice UK -
Tonight:

Wet and windy weather across Northern Ireland will spread across Scotland, northern England and Wales. Rain will become heavy across Northern Ireland and southwest Scotland. Elsewhere staying dry and fine.
Sunday:

Rain across Northern Ireland, Scotland, Wales, northern England and the far southwest. The rain will be heavy at times, especially across Northern Ireland and western Scotland.

http://www.animalexpressions.co.uk/shop/images/uploads/fcuking-British-Weather-umbrella.gif

Selfloading
22nd Aug 2009, 21:56
I think Mr Entwisle should make himself a hat out of tin foil :rolleyes:

Dushan
23rd Aug 2009, 00:15
In Canada we have two seasons: Winter and Patio.

Avitor
23rd Aug 2009, 00:23
A couple of days rain in south London would ensure some smiling faces on a return flight to Aus. :cool:

KeepItRolling
23rd Aug 2009, 00:33
...has as many seasons in one day as a man could wish for!

galaxy flyer
23rd Aug 2009, 00:45
Dushan

Or in New England, 9 months of winter and 3 months of damned poor sledding!
:}

GF

con-pilot
23rd Aug 2009, 00:54
Ever since this here Global Warming stuff has started, here we have been having cooler summers, warmer winters and by God we are even having real springs and falls now.

Go figure.

I like what they say up in Montana, "We have nine months of winter and three months of road work."

Rollingthunder
23rd Aug 2009, 01:04
Got some spare seasons we can share:

Fire season
Wet spring
Wet summer
Wet bear
Wet winter
Don't send us your wet spider season.

pigboat
23rd Aug 2009, 01:19
Australia needs more seasons.

Which one of ours do you want, the 10 months of winter or the 2 months of rough sleddin'? ;)

Ovation
23rd Aug 2009, 01:20
Fire season
Wet spring
Wet summer
Wet bear
Wet winter
Don't send us your wet spider season.

How about a Wet T-Shirt season? :cool:

Rollingthunder
23rd Aug 2009, 01:22
Actually no, she doesn't do casual.

galaxy flyer
23rd Aug 2009, 02:06
Wet T-shirt Season is a short one--about three weeks in Panama City, Cancun and Lake Havasu. I suspect their are other locales, too. Generally, it ends when a strong whiskey front comes through, leaving the ground quiet. On rare occasions a famous species called "Kennedy" is sighted, followed closely by the law.

GF

V2-OMG!
23rd Aug 2009, 04:25
In Canada we have two seasons: Winter and Patio.

Or winter and "Road Construction Ahead - Prepare For Delay." :ugh:

I spent some time in Oz. I think they must have two seasons too:
Beer-drinking season and....
More beer-drinking season.

Wod
23rd Aug 2009, 07:54
I spent some time in Oz. I think they must have two seasons too:
Beer-drinking season and....
More beer-drinking season.

We covered that earlier. You clearly weren't paying attention - Wet season = beer drinking; Dry season = more beer drinking ( or drinking more beer):ok:

OFSO
23rd Aug 2009, 11:11
What about severing Australia from the seabed, putting a central pivot through the landmass (to keep it anchored in place), and rotating Australia to give everyone a chance at a season.

Come to think of it, rotation would probably take place anyway as British RN warships regularly collide with the east coast, nudging Australia round and round...

sprocket
23rd Aug 2009, 11:18
Naturally - with more long weekends than anyone else we need more seasons to 'mark' them.
I also propose we have a Dreamtime Meantime to relace GMT.

Storminnorm
23rd Aug 2009, 11:26
Summer must have arrived in the UK.
The SIL is working today, supervising the DELAY signs
being put out at various locations in the West Country.

corsair
23rd Aug 2009, 11:39
He forgot one season, that's the silly season which we are in the middle of right now. Lots of non stories dominating the 'news' while everyone is on holiday. This is a silly season thread!:ok:

OFSO
23rd Aug 2009, 11:59
You could always live in Madrid, Spain.

The locals describe the climate thus:

Nine months of winter and three months of hell.

(Might have got that wrong, maybe it's eight months of winter and four of hell, but when you get out of bed in the month of May and it's below zero degrees out, you know what they mean...)

Richard Taylor
23rd Aug 2009, 20:38
I believe there will shortly be a "Ponting" season...a cross between "pontificating" & "losing"... :E

ShyTorque
24th Aug 2009, 00:29
Surely there are only two seasons in Oz. Whinging and asleep.

G-CPTN
24th Aug 2009, 01:09
Rather than attempt to organise the climate according to preconceptions introduced by the white settlers, why not consult the indigenous population and ask them how they refer to the changing weather throughout the year?

Why try to impose a system that evolved in a totally different hemisphere and at different latitudes (and subject to modifying ocean currents such as the Gulf Stream)?

In 'Europe' we have significant variation (and not specifically related to latitude - Edinburgh and Moscow do not share climate yet share latitude). In between, Odense in Denmark also shares the same latitude, but not the climate of either.

With the continental effects of the land-mass of Australia (not to mention the surrounding ocean effects) and the wide range of latitudes it's not surprising that things are 'different' . . .

Wod
24th Aug 2009, 07:15
And then there's global warming to turn it all untraditional:E

Loose rivets
24th Aug 2009, 08:03
Mr Entwisle has proposed "sprummer" - the season between spring and summer - and "sprinter" - an early spring.


Autinter would be bad enough, but when this side of the oggin, you'd have to say Fallinter.

"Fallinter...fallinter what?" People would say.:ooh: