CWS approaches

[myw627]

G'day guys, saw this NOTAM a couple of days ago, just wondering why is the procedure removed and is there a new procedure for it?

PHILLIP ISLAND (YPID)
C1/09
REMOVE AD CHART AND NDB-A OR VOR-A PROC FROM DAP. PROC WITHDRAWN AMD AIP DAP EAST

FROM 07 280620 TO PERM

Thanks.:ok:

[training wheels]

I quite like doing this approach as it's one of the few approaches in Victoria where you're tracking outbound from the aid to the missed approach point, and the few approaches where the missed approach point is a distance/time from the aid rather than 'station passage'. And I think it's a common one for people doing their IR initial or renewal test because of that.

If this approach is officially removed from the DAPs, then what's stopping people from doing practice NDB/VOR approaches here in VMC?

I see the Airservices website still has this approach published in the August 09 (http://www.airservices.gov.au/publications/pending/dap/PIDNB01-116.pdf)issue.

[UnderneathTheRadar]

I'd guess that there is nothing to stop you from doing the approach in VMC - after all you are simply airworking between 2200 and the ground.

Whether or not your could log it for currency is a different question.

Bit of a bugger for those who call Tyabb home - was our method of getting in- use the MSA, then the holding alt then break out outbound or inbound and then straight up the channel for a downwind join for 17.

UTR

[jamesptp]

I flew it the other day guys, well sorta.

Just revise the MDA to 2100, the actual MSA for the old procedure. Work backwards and you can attain the not below heights. There is nothing illegal about it, as you are simply airworking above the lower safe. Beats flying out to Yarrowee to do a VOR. Slightly dodgy I understand but nothing against the law.

[Wing Root]

If you've complied with the NOTAM and removed the charts where are you getting a current MSA from? :ugh: Please tell me you are doing this in VMC...

[capt787]

pull out the WAC and draw a 25nm radius circle over the aid, then add 10nm buffer and calculate your LSALT. I don't think it will be too far off from the old MSA :ok:

[UnderneathTheRadar]

Slightly dodgy I understand but nothing against the law.

Unless of course you logged it and are using it for currency.....


UTR

[Maggott17]

"I see the Airservices website still has this approach published in the August 09 (http://www.airservices.gov.au/publications/pending/dap/PIDNB01-116.pdf)issue."

I guess that a new NOTAM will come out at the appropriate time prior to 9AUG09.

Maybe you need some more training, Wheels.

"Flew there the other day, and heard on the rumour mill that Air Services were puting the cost of re-surveying the approaches onto the operator, who was not prepared to pay the cost."

Sounds about right ANRO, No Pay = Air No Services

"Just revise the MDA to 2100, the actual MSA for the old procedure. Work backwards and you can attain the not below heights. There is nothing illegal about it, as you are simply airworking above the lower safe."

Pilots reworking procedure altitudes backwards to work out "not below heights" allows undertakers to live in large houses James. Not to mention how excited the Safety Gods get when they find another candidate to watch.

And I think the right word is LOWEST SAFE.:8

You are better off being LOWER and staying on the ground to be safe mate....your wife and kids need you.

[jamesptp]

Apologies for the incorrect terminology, I will never forgive myself. LOWEST SAFE :rolleyes:

I never said I flew the procedure in IMC, it was strictly VMC with another pilot as a watch pilot for another eye on traffic, considering there are often numerous helicopters transitting coastal down to Phillip Island without broadcasting, I was at no point below 2100ft. Which is well clear of the CAR 174 requirement to be not below 500ft AGL of non-populated areas. It certainly was not for currency UTR, just for something different. Hope this eliminates any confusion that I may have caused :) happy flying! :p

[training wheels]

I guess that a new NOTAM will come out at the appropriate time prior to 9AUG09.

Maybe you need some more training, Wheels.

Yeah, whatever, hero :rolleyes:

[hot_buoy]

This procedure was withdrawn due to YPID being an ALA. CASA regulations prevent an instrument procedure to a non registered/certified field. I believe the owner was given 12 months to upgrade the aerodrome, but declined.