ATPL Night Hour Requirement

[George_of_the_Bungle]

G'day folks,

Forgive me living underneath a rock but I always believed that the night flight time required for the issue of an ATPL was:

(d) at least 100 hours of flight time at night.

Looking on the CASA website it seems CAR 5.172 was altered (last year) to read:

(d) at least 100 hours of flight time at night as pilot in
command or as co-pilot.

I just wan't to clarify, does this mean the 100 hrs can be made up of a combination of command/co-pilot night time? Would the co-pilot night time have to be halved in this case? (i.e would need 200 hrs co-pilot to satisfy the 100 hr requirement)

Cheers:ok:

[Tiger 77]

Yes you are correct. Mixture is ok and co-pilot time is halved.

Cheers

Tiger

[MyNameIsIs]

Hard one.

It just says "flight time" not "total experience" hence why I am inclined to say that the Coey time would not require halving.

ie: total straight Capt and FO time added together.

[kalavo]

Keep reading... 5.173

(8) Each period of flight time flown by a person as a pilot, but not
flown:
(a) as pilot in command; or
(b) as pilot acting in command under supervision; or
(c) in dual flying;
must be halved in calculating the person’s flight time for the
purposes of regulation 5.172.

[FRQ Charlie Bravo]

My understanding and interpretation is that all night hours count even dual; ICUS and CoPilot.

FRQ CB

Edit:

Copy about 5.173. Thanks Kalavo

[kalavo]

Dual no longer counts - that was the change to the regs in December.

ICUS while not specifically mentioned in the regs (only command and copilot is mentioned) does count. This has been confirmed with CASA.

[FRQ Charlie Bravo]

Gee, maybe I should look at updating my Regs some time... nah, I'll pay to feed my kids instead.

:-)

FRQ CB

[Tinstaafl]

You already have internet access. CARs are effectively free. Buy the kids another Junior Burger

[FRQ Charlie Bravo]

The CASA website is fine (or should I specify the Attorney General website) but I still reach for my out-of-date Regs first and then confirm on the website. Paper is just easier sometimes.

[FRQ Charlie Bravo]

Damnation, those bloody night hours are so hard to get and CASA effectively just took away 15 (the dual). :ouch:

FRQ CB

[The Green Goblin]

Damnation, those bloody night hours are so hard to get and CASA

Not if you have a dead leg and are happy to sleep in Aircraft :p

Thats how this green pilot got 'em

[pistinaround]

man !!!!

news to me I should update my regs too naaaaaa!

Hope I dont get a knock on the door sometime soon asking for that ATPL back apparently I fall about 14 Hrs short now

shhhhh dont tell anyone .

[snrub]

Knock Knock!
Whos there ?

ok enough we can see where I am going.

Intresting point though, wonder how some of those guys that got hired last year by some unmentioned regional whos name starts with R and ends in X when we could not get enough Pilots would stand.

Quick progression mimimum hour to hold an ATPL but been there long enough to get a command. ( not really min hours to get a command I know but the reality is in OZ most guys strugle to get the night hours )

[neville_nobody]

Why do CASA effectively abolish the command requirements of an ATPL yet make the night requirement more difficult? You would think that the 500 command requirement should have been the requirement that should have been made the hardest one to get not the night requirement.

[das Uber Soldat]

The IF was the hardest to get for me, as if you log IF legit, its quite sparing for the ole instructor.

[artlite]

Does anyone know if 100h in FFS towards 1500TT for ATPL license can also be towards 500h MCC? I have 400h TT MCC and have a chance to unfreeze, but don't know if I can't. Help appreciated.

[OPSH24]

Want night hours - fly freight - I've got more night than day:suspect:

[smiling monkey]

Does anyone know if 100h in FFS towards 1500TT for ATPL license can also be towards 500h MCC? I have 400h TT MCC and have a chance to unfreeze, but don't know if I can't. Help appreciated.

Sorry, don't understand your question. What is it that's frozen that you want to melt? I don't think simulated night conditions in a FFS (flight sim?) counts for anything.

[LeadSled]

Folks,
Am I missing something obvious here ---- or are we now dealing with CASR Part 61 plus MOS, plus lots and lots more advisory/explanatory material and growing.
Come September, it will be the first anniversary of Part 61.
Hopefully, there will not be a second, in its present form.
Tootle pip!!

[Stretch06]

Pilat,

Part 61 changed to co-pilot logging, there is no longer a requirement to half co-pilot time. Co-pilot is now logged one for one, even for total aeronautical experience.

Stretch:ok:

[KoolKaptain]

Co-pilot time isn't halved any more. That's something that we used to do.... Kind of like Celestial Navigation....

[Hasselhof]

It really doesn't matter much now in Aus. With part 61 ATPL flight test requirements upon us the only way you're going to get your Aus ATPL is to be an F/O in the process of a command upgrade. By then, you will 100% have all the night you need.

[artlite]

smiling monkey, I meant that to unfreeze ATPL license you have to have 1500 TT, 500 in MultiCrew. It also says 100 FFS sim time can be used towards that. But I don't know if they mean towards 1500TT or/and also towards 500MCC.I have 400hours Jet multi-crew time and I would like to unfreeze my license during recurrent, but don't know if I can meet 500h MCC requirement. Hope i explained better.

[wishiwasupthere]

You could leave it in the sun? It you need it quickly, put it in the microwave for 30 seconds, or a container full of hot water? :}

[LeadSled]

artlite,
Take no notice of the dills who don't understand what you are talking about, there is no concept of a frozen ATPL/ALTP in AU.

As for changes in CASR Part 61 for logging hours, most of the changes are to line up with ICAO Annex I.

All Australia has to do now to comply with Annex I in this regard, without differences, is drop all the anal BS about AICUS, which would be to the very great benefit of all younger pilots at the beginning of their careers.
Tootle pip!!