JAA Conversion to FAA License

[Brian304]

Hi all

I just wanted to confirm out of curiousity, as theres many FAA conversion to JAA threads, but non JAA to FAA threads since like 2007.

I just wanted to confirm that its the same procedure that we just bring it to an FSDO and they'll just change it to an FAA CPL, IR you will have to do a test for? aslong as the license is valid.

Duration of the process takes about 3-4 weeks, is there any way of speeding this process up?.

Thanks all. Happy Landings...

Brian304:ok:

[selfin]

The FAA has ceased issuing commercial pilot certificates based on foreign licences. A restricted private certificate can be issued under 61.75 - see Airmen Certification: Verify the Authenticity of a Foreign License, Rating, or Medical Certification (http://www.faa.gov/licenses_certificates/airmen_certification/foreign_license_verification/) [FAA website].

Prior to submitting AC Form 8060-71 (http://www.faa.gov/licenses_certificates/airmen_certification/media/verify61-75.pdf) to the Airmen Certification Branch in Oklahoma City you must, if a UK-granted JAR-FCL licence holder, submit to the UK CAA both a UK Licence Verification Authorisation for Licence Validation (form SRG\1160 (http://www.caa.co.uk/application.aspx?catid=33&pagetype=65&appid=11&mode=detail&id=521)) and a PLD Payment form (SRG\1187 (http://www.caa.co.uk/docs/33/SRG1187%20Revised%20Feb%2009.pdf)) together with £42.00.[¹]

Background information and instructions from the UK CAA are available in Doc. 92 (http://www.caa.co.uk/docs/175/srg_fcl_licence_verification_process.pdf).

You can expect in the region of a 2 week processing period from the UK CAA and a further 2 to 4 weeks from the FAA. Once you have received an invitation letter from the ACB you may make an appointment with the FSDO specified in form AC 8060-71. Photocopies of your licence, aircraft rating(s) and medical certificate must be attached to the form - see cover letter for more. Receipt of the invitation letter is not strictly necessary provided you arrange with Oklahoma for a copy to be faxed to the designated FSDO.

See further information at
http://www.pprune.org/professional-pilot-training-includes-ground-studies/381867-hours-building-usa-transfer-licence-faa.html#post5071133

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[¹] Rate valid as of April 1st, 2009. C.f. UK CAA Scheme of Charges
for Personnel Licensing under Official Record Series 5, No. 241 (http://www.caa.co.uk/application.aspx?catid=33&pagetype=65&appid=11&mode=detail&id=3412)
(valid at April 1st, 2009); Sec. 3.4.2 (pp. 4).

[Brian304]

Well what about for those instructors out there with an FATPL wanting to be an FAA instructor? would they have to do all FAA exams and flight tests to get the license needed?.

Thanks:ok:

[selfin]

You can be anywhere in the world and want to be something (PPRuNe's PPT section is a good start). A distinction under 14 CFR 61 exists between instructors and authorized instructors - to the best of my knowledge there is no rule under Part 61 requiring a person to be in possession of a US flight instructor certificate to give instruction in flying to any person flying for any purpose other than becoming qualified for the issuance or variation of a US pilot certificate, rating or qualification. Viz, instruction given cannot be credited (save perhaps by some special arrangement with the authority) towards requirements for training made under the respective sections of Part 61.

Subject to my interpretation of 14 CFR 61.3(d) (http://ecfr.gpoaccess.gov/cgi/t/text/text-idx?c=ecfr&sid=9f77ed679c14ab089f558797b92e9a73&rgn=div8&view=text&node=14:2.0.1.1.2.1.1.2&idno=14) the giving of instruction in flying by JAR-FCL FI holders (who hold no US flight instructor certificate) on board civil aircraft of US-registry within US airspace, for the purpose of the instructed person meeting training requirements under JAR-FCL, is not absolutely prohibited under 14 CFR 61.

Special requirements are established under Appendix 1a to JAR-FCL 1.055 (or 2.055 if applicable) in respect of such arrangements. In the case of JAR-FCL licences granted by the UK CAA refer to Standards Document 39. (http://www.caa.co.uk/docs/33/SRG_FCL_39.PDF)

A JAR-FCL professional licence holder can, without prejudice to national security and other related rules, undertake training as required (i.e. voluntary or mandatory training as the case may be) to meet with the aeronautical experience requirements established under Part 61 for a US commercial pilot certificate and a US instrument rating. Possession of both a US CPC and a US unrestricted IR form part of the eligibility requirements under Sec. 61.183 (http://ecfr.gpoaccess.gov/cgi/t/text/text-idx?c=ecfr&sid=9f77ed679c14ab089f558797b92e9a73&rgn=div6&view=text&node=14:2.0.1.1.2.8&idno=14) for a flight instructor certificate.

Be careful with the Instrument Foreign Pilot test as a means of including in a Sec. 61.75 (http://ecfr.gpoaccess.gov/cgi/t/text/text-idx?c=ecfr&sid=9f77ed679c14ab089f558797b92e9a73&rgn=div8&view=text&node=14:2.0.1.1.2.2.1.10&idno=14) certificate (foreign-based FAA private) privileges to operate under IFR / in IMC. This process does not replace the eligibility criterion requiring candidates to hold an unrestricted IR for an FI certificate. A restricted IR included in a Sec. 61.75 certificate cannot be transferred to a US commercial.

The optimum solution, from a time and expenditure standpoint, to obtaining a Part 61 US CPC/IR requires judicious/attentive inspection of the governing regulations. As mentioned many times on this forum the usual 'gotya' is in the definition of cross-country flying experience, among others. Other subtle points work in your favour - Sec. 61.39(c) (http://ecfr.gpoaccess.gov/cgi/t/text/text-idx?c=ecfr&sid=9f77ed679c14ab089f558797b92e9a73&rgn=div8&view=text&node=14:2.0.1.1.2.1.1.24&idno=14) for example.

If a US flight instructor certificate is obtained with the express intention of carrying on flight instruction outside of the United States (employment ineligibility, etc) then careful consideration must be paid to regulations in force in the territory in whose airspace the training is given. In the UK for example Article 36 of the ANO 2005 (as amdt) [c.f. CAP393 (http://www.caa.co.uk/docs/33/CAP393.PDF)] is relevant (but would not prohibit flights for Sec. 61.56 purposes, etc).

[morgant6911]

Well what about for those instructors out there with an FATPL wanting to be an FAA instructor? would they have to do all FAA exams and flight tests to get the license needed?.

Thanks

AFAIK, yes, you would have to do the IR, CPL, and CFI checkrides.

[B2N2]

Subject to my interpretation of 14 CFR 61.3(d) the giving of instruction in flying by JAR-FCL FI holders (who hold no US flight instructor certificate) on board civil aircraft of US-registry within US airspace, for the purpose of the instructed person meeting training requirements under JAR-FCL, is not absolutely prohibited under 14 CFR 61.

No it isn't, but that doesn't mean that it's of any use:


Interesting but a little more complicated then you might think.
All of the JAA schools in the US do their training on N-registered aircraft in US airspace. This means the aircraft should be insured; I am curious as to the opinion of a US insurance company concerning flight training taking place by a non-US certificated Instructor.

A JAA PPL student in the US is a bit of a hybrid.
In order to solo they need a US Medical and student pilot certificate.
So for their solo they need a US certificated instructor signing their medical and logbook.
For every solo XC they need a US certificated instructor signing their logbook endorsement.
There is another problem, in order to be PIC of a N-registered aircraft you need to have a US certificate.
Your primary student can not be PIC since they don't know how to fly yet and on a student pilot certificate they cannot carry passengers. Which is what you will be in the eyes of the FAA because you do not hold a US instructor certificate. So how are you going to fly with a primary student?
You could only train a JAA CPL applicant that holds a US PPL. They are PIC and you are a passenger training them. But this is where the insurance company comes in if something happens. It doesn't even have to be anybodies fault in particular, you could blow a tire on landing and end up in a ditch with a bent aircraft.
I would get my US certificates if I were you.

The above from a thread not too long ago:
http://www.pprune.org/professional-pilot-training-includes-ground-studies/381121-jaa-qualified-want-work-usa-fi.html