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5th Jun 2009, 21:39
Chap on another website has found some WW2 cartridge cases when out walking in Norway,photo's look like .303 to me but they are very corroded and there is some disagreement, I have a few lwartime .303 rounds or what I assumed were .303 they are stamped.RA 1941 300 Z around the base and others F A 30 (no date)stamped on the base,be these indeed .303 ammo?
5th Jun 2009, 22:08
RA stands for Remington Arms, The 'Z' suffix Refers to graphite glazed nitro-cellulose propellant, 1941 date of manufacture and 300 I guess would be that it is a .30 caliber class bullet head - though I would defer to someone more knowledgeable than this.
According to the interweb worth GBP2.0 in good nick ;-)
F I think would be Small Arms Ammunition Factory, Footscray, Melbourne, Australia. Known to have produced .303 cartridges in... Ball, Cordite Mk 7
Some info from this site (http://www.dave-cushman.net/shot/303headstamps.html)
5th Jun 2009, 22:11
Well . . . I can't tell you (without that pics) what they are, but I may be able to tell you when they were put there. If he found them on the fairway of a community golf course, they would have been placed there on December 25.
When else, but on the First Day of Christmas, would one place a cartridge on a Par Three? . . .
5th Jun 2009, 22:24
Well from google one has learned that these round in my possession are probably not the .303 I had assumed.,the .303 is a rimmed cartridge these are not but they are the same as this other chap found so we are back to where we started.
Rim = .303
Same size, but no rim (a groove instead) is .30 if my memory is working right.
I fired .303 (still have the lopsided shoulders to prove it) but sadly don't have any lying around any more.
Red = 12 bore. Blue = 16 bore. There - free information!
6th Jun 2009, 03:48
I fired .303 (still have the lopsided shoulders to prove it)
And THIS one right now has the monster bruise on the right upper arm from rattling off some 75 FN rounds a couple of weeks ago. Ah! But the envy all around at the range!
["What's that he's using?"
"I think it's a Lee Enfield".
"Sir! May I ask what's that you're using?"
BANG! Puts the others' gas at a peep.
6th Jun 2009, 05:54
When else, but on the First Day of Christmas, would one place a cartridge on a Par Three?
would that then be a partridge on a partree and the fourth day of Christmas?
6th Jun 2009, 07:18
Keef - sorry to contradict you, but shotgun cartridges are not as reliable in their colour-coding as you suggest. 20 bore/gauge cartridges are usually yellow, but that is as far as the convention goes. I've used 12 bore cartridges with many different case colours.
As to what the cartridges found by Mr Draper may be, to say they are WW2 vintage is conjecture. If they are, they could easily be German 7.92mm or Norwegian 6.5mm. The latter is actually a Swedish cartridge (6.5 x 55mm Swedish Mauser) but was used by the Norwegian Army and has long been a popular hunting cartridge.
6th Jun 2009, 07:28
I had a Lee Enfield,not sure what Mk now,don't think it was a SMLE but it were converted to .22 rim fire,a round more suited to me 13 year old self,:)
Solid Rust Twotter
6th Jun 2009, 08:48
One has long hankered after a de Lisle carbine. It's basically a Lee Enfield rifle modified to take the .45ACP cartridge along with a bit of other tinkering (folding wire stock, perforated barrel with shroud, ribbed M1911A1 magazine). Like rocking horse shoite though.....:(
That round sounds like the .30 cal as previously mentioned, Mr D. If you could measure the inside of the neck it may provide further clues.
6th Jun 2009, 08:57
Might I direct you to this fine purveyor of things dimensionally cartridge like?
The Reload Bench: Cartridge Specifications (http://www.reloadbench.com/cartspec.html)
It looks a bit tightly packed with info but only the underlined ones have drawings. As a start prolly the 30 Remington, 30-30, 30-06 may yield fruit. It could also be ,308" as that was the NATO standard before they went to the ,223".
6th Jun 2009, 09:07
Thanks chaps, after much thought and googling I reckon these I have are indeed Remmington 30 06,probably what that Norwegian chap has as well,but what were they doing in wartime Scandyhooligia?,hmmm could be that commando raid I understand some of those chaps carried unconventional weaponry.
Pinky the pilot
6th Jun 2009, 10:26
You indeed have a few 30.06 rounds there Tony. And for birrddog's info; All Aussie .303 ammo manufactured at the Footscray (Victoria) plant had the headstamp of MF.
There were several other plants manufacturing .303 ammo during WWII, these being,
MG Footscray #2 Plant
MH Hendon South Australia
MJ Finsbury South Australia
MQ Rocklea Queensland
MS Penfield South Australia. Tracer Ammunition only.
MW Welshpool Western Australia
I am sure that some of the 'Pommy' Ppruners can supply info on the various British headstamps.:ok::D
7th Jun 2009, 15:36
The FA 30 may possibly be Frankford Arsenal, USA 30-06 calibre