i just called Wynnwith, and the receptionist told me that Stephanie is on a training today, and i should call back tomorrow! greaaat isn't it? :suspect:

Hi guys, read some of your messages regarding eagle aviation. i just got hired from the philippines and we are set to go this month to Amsterdam (business visa) for training. our employment was pretty quick, interview today and the next day we were informed that we are hired. i'm just worried because they give little information about the company. we are only offered very little unlike the post that i read a while ago. we were offered $1,000 less the insurance which until now we dont know how much for sure. $50 lay over outside country base and no answer as to $50 per lay over or per day in 1 lay over. expense pay for Block in to block out was not answered either and that's where the money comes in- flying time. i'm very much concerned about the salary and the contract because they told us that we can only view the contract 3 days before departure and there is no backing out. its 1 yr contract and as for resignation, 1 month notice is needed so they can shoulder the airplane fare, otherwise we pay for our own. i have friends from atlanta, same like eagle air who's lease with saudia that they only receive the basic pay and lay overs outside base shall be given after 1 yr contract. they were filled with 4 legs and 3 legs. over worked and under payed. i just dont know if this is the same with eagle air. our training will be mixed with thai and malaysians.Our destinations were south africa, european countries and Philippines. Might be based in Saudi Arabia. Need some enlightenment. thanks aight

hi again,

I just received an email from stephanie, she apologized for this terrible delay, but I think we can't blame Wynnwith for the moment just Eagle, anyway she told me that the training it s gonna be definitely in Paris and we should start mid of september, they just have the location confirmed not the date yet! they are still waiting for eagle's update to inform us! just hope that we are not gonna wait again as long as we did! Any more information from u guys is very welcomed!

yuhoo

15 filipinos, 15 thai and 15 malay for the first batch
might see you during the training or i might be in the 2nd batch. all the infos i got is that there will be no uniform during training. and yes saudia vaccinations are free and though medical and vaccinations are shouldered by the company as stated in our acceptance letter. any additonal infos on the base? JEDDAH in saudi?

aight

hi,

(40+ FAs) from the philippines as informed to us we will be payed basic for the training. hope to meet you guys soon. 1st batch will leave on aug 27 and 2nd batch might be october 3rd batch month after that.

last info i've....the 1st B747 will fly to jed probably tomorrow...the aoc will arrive last week of aug 1st of sept....training in paris the following week....home for few days and than moved to arabia....start operations at the end of sept. so....patience patience patience.... :D

Hi tzigane,

thanx for info. Is homebase will be in Jeddah? Is that exactly already? Because there were rumours about other possible places

Regards

Thanks for info,,,

Oceana,

Forget about other places, it is Jeddah for sure..Eagle is serving Saudi Airlines, and they need us in there..Rumours about France and other countries were only in order to attact people, now it's time to face reality..

Cheers lady!

99.9% is JED, but as i know and told me they're working to base us in DBX, but....nothing is sure....only JED, at the moment. in the future, might be even somewhere in europe, but we will not choose our base, the company'll choose for us, as by need! normal situation for acmi work! :D

Seems like there is quite an unfairness going on here
for asian crews which will be paid only 1000 USD per month and 50 USD allowance which eventhough I have heard that company guarantee that we will not earn less than 1500 USD per month (that's already including everything)... sighs! BUT we have to live our life exactly the same as u European crews... really wanna see how's the contract gonna be... so confusing coz when we had an interview with them they said we will get paid 1300 sth Euro as well...

For Training we Thai crew will be trained in Amsterdam for 3 weeks session and will stay at Novotel Airport Hotel... we have been informed that we will be paid 50 USD per day during training.

Same as other places we have no further information .. once we contacted our agency here they only said please hold on ... assuming that the airline must be very busy at the moment as they r reconstructing the organisation.

Let's be patient , see and hope things will be brighten very soon!
Report from BKK station... :ok:

I could wrong But aren't the europeans on a really short course about a week long? Thai's on a 3 week course. Most if not all euros working though WW.

Maybe when the first contract is up work through the best route. Wynnwith or direct whatever is the best condition/money. I'm guessing but in a years time the job market will be very different?

Chin up

Atleast in JED you can't spend all your money on Cosmo's/mud slids

Hi tzigane,

thanx for info about homebase

regards

What attestation did you mean by that?

we are all ex-crew and had been trained from the previous Airlines. I just wanna know what ain't Non-European doesn't have and what are European have got during Training Course in your previous Airlines?

I've been trained from Qatar Airways for my previous career and doesn't seem much diff from you as an European, right?

and I don't feel much comfortable to read all kind of discrimination you had posted on here. Let's post something much more make sense rather than posting of a discrimination yourself. For the future we must embake the same plane, work as a team. don't you remember?

As you said you did not make a discimination but the more I keep reading your post the more I see the distinction.

regards from Philippine

First thing, calm down, All that was said is people are on different contracts.... do you have an attestation? yes or no? how long is your course? does it cost money for the company? if its so bad get on the wynnwith contract. If you can't don't claim its because of (now think of a reason and moan about it) otherwise...

give us a break....

great use of the font size though...:ok:

One of the requirements for the interview with Eagle was to have the Attestation and medical II. That means we have Initial training and medical done...

id like to put a few things straight regarding this thread.ok the uk crew are employed by wynnwith,the advert clearly stated that you must hold your attestation certificate,which really only means you are PRESENTLY current with regards to your sep training,(doors and slides will still need to be completed as its a different a/c type),training in paris..yes paris..and will be very soon anticipate to recieve a call next week,with training prob taking place 1st week of sept,for those who carry the attestation certificate means you only carry out a max 1 week of training unlike the asian crew and crew from baku,they have to carry out a 3 week training course(initial).slaries do differ this is because we are employed here in the uk by an agency,and my fellow collegues by either eagle direct or there agency in there own country.
the base is jeddha,at the moment and wont change in the very near future.fleet is 747/757 and lead to believe the 767.
the required 3 months in jeddha is purely on the basis of the visa requirments there.those who constantly blame wynnwith shouldnt,if theres no news to report,then theres no news.
but do believe me this operation is going ahead with some very nice destinations mentioned,we must all pull together keep positive ,and its up to us to make this a success,success brings rewards and this could be the extension of our contract or even a permanant one.i appreciate its been 4 weeks since some of you had your interview,but remember we are dealing with the french aviation,they are thorough and will not provide this until they are satisfied,remember what happened to the last eagle aviation operation although the owner still had cash when it closed nothing was paid on time,or not at all.the owners are different now theres good cash behind the operation,and management want this to be a real success like i hope we all do,the flights are on behalf of saudi,who knows what other contracts have been looked at but im sure more will arise,again thats up to us,good positive feedback can only benefit the company and us..
i hope this clarifys some things for you,dont panic we will all be together very soon enjoying the great flying thats forcased..

this operation is going ahead with some very nice destinations

Could you tell us some of those destinations????

Prettycool : I believe that the ATTESTATION is actually mentioned before as they call it European License... we probably had not that big different training with our ex airline like myself was with Qantas which they r so great at it. Again as Eagle Aviation is originally established in France and it's considered as European Airlines ... I wouldn't be surprised if the Attestation is required for us since we need to be their crew. Let's make it this way ... How fun it's gonna be that we can share our great time in Amsterdam for 3 weeks .. sounds fabulous isn't it ?? lol :D
I wasn't try to raise up the discrimination issue between CREWS no matter where we r from ... but i don't want to see that company treat us differently that's all... coz you would never know how is the feeling of people who do same kind of works, living pretty much the same life, work as hard as u and feel the same tired as you feel but being treated differently... that's hurt for us ...
Anyway i hope that things will get brighter later on... life is the challenge !! really can't wait can't wait :O

Thank you Mr. aight

For this side ,we wait for submit the visa on31 AUG,for 15 Thai crew first
That was so bored, why the process taking a long long time.Eagle never know
all of us wait since JULY 'til now :*:*

the only difference, as was explained, between us (EU) and you (NOT EU), is the certification: in Europe to be a cabin crew and to work as cc you need a particular cerification, issued not by the company, but by the authorities (even through the company)...and this cerification allows you to work everywhere in EU. In one of my previous company i met colleagues whith years of experience in different companies (LAN, EK, Qantas, Thai, AA, DL....) but when joined the company the had the initial again (and sometimes our initial was worst than the training they had)...but theese are the rules. our cerificate is called AFS, and only from march 2009 is really european, and not national...and it means that, with this, we can work in every company in every country, the only training we need changing the airline, is a short one with company's procedure and commercial. only one example, abour Germany and UK, that i kow: with FR cerification, moving to BA you had to have the initial again, 'cause their cerificate was of the company...and the some moving from LH to LTU, for example...

about contract, the only difference is that we are hired from a broker, and probably you direct from the company...or from another broker...

see u soon....i'm sure we'll be a great team!!! :D

Heal the world...make it a better place....for you and for me and the entire human race...!

see you on board guys! ONE TEAM,ONE GOAL! looking forward to work with you people...;)

Wow!!! Two postive comments in a row! Wake me up!

16 pages of info, fights, negative and positive things....but at the end....we will be the best team! :D

I agree with you)) :ok:

Eagle Aviation Europe will be the best, WE WILL DO IT!!! :D:D:D

regards from Azerbaijan

Does anyone have more exact information about that when Eagle Aviation will begin to operate? or when we will begin to move to home base?

regards...

The only information I have is that we're doing the training in Paris in September and will start flying in mid-end September.

They were operate A300-B4F few years a go , right?

safe flite

thx for the info, F.Blue.
Long time no hear, drop me a line when u have time.

Sorry but can anybody explain whats an umbrella company??? I'm pretty confused.... :sad:

Umbrella company.

A Ltd company that pays you as the end user. So If there was a tax problem Wynnwith wouldn't pay the tax man.

Its just to keep them out of trouble with the tax man/woman

So we're not paying taxes then??

Did you all get an email this morning? I havent heard from them in ages

In the last email Stephanie said The little that we have been told is that the training will be carried out in Paris, and that the anticipated start dates will be mid to end of September
Those start dates she talks about are training dates or flying dates???

Any news about the Fokker 100s?

HELLO I DIDNT RESIVE ANY EMAIL ABOUT UNBRELLA COMPANY PAYMENTS ... GRRRRRRRRRRR:bored:

MY LAST EMAIL WAS STHEPHANIE SAYING PARIS AS A COURSE CITY ..
EXTRANGE!!

I understand that the AOC should be with eagle this week or next? any info....

Has anyone heard about who we might work for if not Saudi?

I've heard the jumbo has moved from amsterdam is it in Jeddah?

Thanks an advance:D

it was not in JED as per this morning. Only new airline with 744 was the Wafeer parked on apron 11, I guess this is where the Eagle 74 would be parked too...

PS: sorry about the language mixup.

Hello everybody!!

Does anybody have any more information or when are we getting an email from Stephanie???????

of course..... :D

All,

Does anyone have any info updated about the location in Jed? Where are we gonna live, as it is definitely not Lotus!

We don't even have training dates yet so don't even mention the accomodation in JED if we've been told JED might not be our base in the end....

Does anybody have more information??

Saudi is Eagle's main client ===> JED base 99% even if DBX sounds so much better !

:O:DJa inderdaad !!! Wij zouden dubbel salaris moeten krijgen ! Plus een premie voor het wachten ! :O

I haven't sent any emails to Stephanie. I sent her one last week and never got an answer so instead I sent it to Jason who replied but I have to say.... we're not the ones who should be asking for an update!!

Also.... would be nice if you use English language in the forum. If you want to talk just to that person, why don't u send a PM???

Tu_Ki,

we were just sending jokes to each other.
By the way, remember this is supposed to be a French section of the website...
I called Steph last week... would anyone call today ?

Gear,
It's not French, it's Dutch! (I guess) :)

Flyingblue,
The reason is that the ex-Eagle owed a lot to Lotus,and it is very expensive. So as for now it is not clear for us what accomodation they will provide. They might keep it in secret untill the last moment.

Call it Dutch for FlyingBlue and Flemish for myself :)

Gear,
I miss it since I'm back from Amsterdam, all I remember is Guten Morgan and the like :) We also had a flemish instructor..oh, she was nice! :ok:
P.S. Zone voor rokken-I know it too :)

A Flemish Instructor for a French Airline ??? Don't tell me her First Name starts with a D. and her last name with a P. !!

Ok, I'm not telling you that..Her name starts with S :) Actually she was a volunteer, assisting the instructors at CAE in Amsterdam,not related to Eagle.

OK
I thought there would have been some1 i know who could have given us some more details... but that's not the case :(

I knew this language " complaint" was going to be controversial. Guys, I don't care which language you use in the forum... or which languages do you speak... its just a matterof being polite towards the rest of the people. Since most of us are not french, dutch/flemish, german, spanish, etc speakers and we all speak (or at least we try :ok:) English, that's the language we should speak. English is not my mother tongue and I've seen people in this forum whos speak my language but there's no reason tot alk to them in our language... plus the rest of you have the right to understand what we're talking about.

Flying_Blue.... EAE could be a French company but French is not a must to get a job with them... to be more specific, most of us don't speak the language and we got the job!!

Let's have fun guays and share the information.... I haven't received a reply to my email btw.

Do you guys know if Yellow fever is the only vaccination we need?? I've been doing some research over the internet and found out to get into Saudi Arabia you need meningitis vaccination as well....

I'm not making any more comments.............:mad::mad::mad:

the airline is also recruiting in Manila for Cabin Crew posts, Jeddah in Saudia Arabia is where we are gonna be based, i heard the first batch of Filipino Cabin Crew is leaving for the training soon. Anyone who knows the destinations of Eagle Air? we are gonna fly for Saudia Arabian Airlines for sure, i just dont know which route will they give us.:confused:

From MNL it is pretty much the same, 1000USD Basic Salary and 50USD allowance. They got 3 batches of Filipino crew, first 15 will leave next month i think. Im Batch 3:) i dont want to leave yet :)) I worked for another Airline which operated/ and is still operating for Saudia Arabian airlines so i think we're gonna stay in a compound, fly the same roster day in day out for a 6 month span:)

What about layovers???

with the previous airline we stayed at 5star hotels during layovers and its shouldered by Saudia. We had Pakistan, India, Tunisia layovers. I hope destinations for Eagle Air will be better.

Can you please give the name of your previous airline?

Thanks :ok:

As already said earlier, FlyingBlue and I were just sending jokes to each other. I could feel sorry that you felt embarrassed about it, but honestly i do not.
Now as you said, we all manage to talk to each other in English so i do agree with you, let's stick to it, but do not blame anyone using another language as even English is not supposed to be used in that section of pprune.

Comme cela a déjà été précisé précédemment, FlyingBlue et moi-même nous envoyions juste des petites blagues. Je pourrais être désolé que tu te sois senti(e) embarrassé(e), mais honnêtement, ce n'est pas le cas.
D'autre part, comme tu l'as si bien stipulé, nous sommes ici tous capables de communiquer en Anglais, et en ce sens, je te rejoins, nous devrions nous y tenir. Mais n'attaque pas ceux qui ne le font pas puisque même l'Anglais n'est pas censé être utilisé dans ces pages de pprune.

Let's focus on Eagle and try and share info when we get them instead of.... well, i'm sure you get my point !

My english is ok but....

Google can translate for you .....

Incoming.........:ok::ok:

With a 5-digit cheque, i'll do the translation too :)

i belong to the first batch of the filipino crews that was hired by Eagle and on Aug31 will be our show-up/interview in Netherlands embassy for the business visa. We will be leaving on sept13 via KLM airlines departure time will be 1045am phil. time arrival time will be 1800 ams time;it will be more or less 13hr flight, going to Amsterdam for a 20-day training, we'll be back on oct4 here in the philippines for the processing of working visa going to JED. The 2nd batch as i've heard from my friend will be leaving hopefully on oct4. Novotel hotel in amsterdam is where we will be staying and CAE training center will be our beloved school..:p there will be a $50 allowance/day and it will be given everyday according to the agency staff in here. i believe there will be some thais and malaysians on the training as well, so see you there guys! hoping that everything will run smooth because it's only 2 weeks more or less for the departure. definitely the base will be in JED (not new to me coz i already worked in Saudia before, so if you have questions about living in Saudi Arabia just PM me..;)) but not yet sure about the accomodation well i hope we will be staying in LOTUS 4, i've seen the compound and it is so private and cool..but if the rumours about the money matters i dont think so..well..insha allah everything will be in God's will..see you guys!!!merci!

I to, can type with 5 digits. Let me cheque..........:O

Thanksrica_shaznay for the helpful news. To me, as the 3rd batch from Thailand will be leaving from here(BKK) after the 2nd Batch by KLM to AMS. The exact date will be announced next month pretty soon, Keep undating for us as an Asia crews. hope to see you on board soon.


Sheerzzz, Emmie :)

spoke with jason, no news fom WW front for eu crew...hope to've news tomorrow.....:rolleyes:

Did he tell you if we're meant to receive an email from them tomorrow????? It's been a month since the interview....

I just got call from our local agency that 1st group will be delayed ... since we have not sign our employment contract yet... The interview appointment with The Netherlands Embassy will be postponed from 31 Aug to 14 Sep (This is not confirmed yet)... which means the training period will also be postponed as well... don't know until when ...:eek:

Is there anyone here know that EAE has got its license or whatever yet ??
I'm not sure that what our local agent here told me was accurate... she said things like EAE license is not legalised yet... ??? :confused:

Anyway we Thai crew still have to wait ... again ...

Where oh where is the aircraft. It left Amsterdam but as far as I know it has not been spotted anywhere.:rolleyes:

Try looking in Albania;)

I'm not surprised this is happening....

Anybody got any info from WW???

Just landed... had thought/hoped I'd get an email, but nope, nothing on my side...

hi guys,

does anybody knows why boeing747 landed in Albania?

info i had today..... A/C is in saudi arabia, eu training is planned at the end of the 1st 3rd of sept, but sujected by french AOC, that is planned for next week. if is not delivered on time everything will moved of a week.

i spoke to ww earlier and they told me that aircraft is in albania and so is the decision maker. AOC not granted yet and everything is delayed until they issue it. They could not give time scale, which is a problem for me as I was supposed to start in france in two weeks time.:rolleyes:

Albanian B747 - I forum di Aviazione Civile (http://www.aviazionecivile.com/vb/showthread.php?p=842153)

A/C was/is in Albania indeed (according to that forum, for those of you who can read Italian). How did you know it is in Saudia now ?
By the way, you said "training by the end of 1st 3rd of sept".... What do you mean ? end of 1st week ? end of 3rd week ?
Thank you.

in eagle told me that the A/C is waiting fort us in SA...and they're in a hurry to start due the hight costs of parking (about 5500£/week), and an A/C not flying only costs,and a lot ...but i'm not surprised if the A/C was moved to albania, only to park it there. about the training for eu crew, the beginning is still planned for 08/09-09, but subjected to AOC... so if this week the AOC will be not delivered, the training will be probably delayed of a week! info coming from EAE! :D think that we were waiting till now, so....we can wait a bit more.... ;)

Wow tzigane. Seems like u have good connections with EAE. Would you by chance have other relevant info for us? Thank u.

thanx for info tzigane

the aircraft is not in JED as per lunchtime today.

LOL it looks like a kids "treasure hunt" !
The A/C was in Tirana on Thursday : [ALBANIA] AVIATION AND AIRPORTS DEVELOPMENTS - Page 35 - SkyscraperCity (http://db5.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?p=41923634)

hi guys

is 747 still in Tirana? when it will be in Jeddah then?

thanx

I'd say the aircraft won't fly to JED until the Company gets the AOC.... Does anybody know if an airline can fly an empty plane without AOC??? I'm just wondering how the aircraft got to Albania then....

as by albanian forum....the A/C flew in TIA with LV flt nr...so, and it's only what i suppose, is parked there only for less parking costs. Is impossible to fly a 747 to/from there...due 2000 reason....so it will be there only for few days. As by info I recieved the A/C was planned to be in JED, but I know now that my info was wrong...I only reported what they told me! :ouch: sorry!!! :rolleyes:...by the way...I'm really thinking that now we are on the final steps....we will start soon....if I'll recieve more info...I'll post.

hi , last i heard is that one of their 747's (400) is in france (ST NAZARE? ) and a second one is in danemark
as of right now , they have two 747-412's
registered as F-GTIR and F-GTIJ
F-GTIJ is undergoing a C-Check
and the TIR is frech from C
as far as i know, many lessees approached the lease manager ( C. Garbaccio) to take the AC's on ACMI for hajj operations , but all the negotiations failed because of the non negotiable rate of $7900 PBH (TOO HIGH)
one of the operators is Kyrgzystan airlines , and the second one is a Tour organizer from Pakistan .

hi, ad i know the complete managment of EAE was totally changed by the new owners....no extra info at the moment....i'll call later and i'll post everything i'll be able to know....

I emailed Jason but he doesn't have any update and he can't tell if by November we'll be flying... This is getting too long...

November ??? Another two months ???

There is nothing on the schedule for their planes
the lease manager does not want to lease the plane and she is asking for an exhorbitant price
i will keep you guys posted if anything changes

Ref Jason.

Did he mean, He has no confirmed idea. Could he have meant we could be flying next week or next year? Would 2 weeks after the AOC arrives be about right?

$7900 pbh? whats PBH?
Power By the Hour
Per Basic Hour
Price Before Hourly additions.

Any thoughts:ok::ok:

Any ideas what they are going to be doing with the Fokker 100's???

Also going to be stationed in Saudi or are they going to be for another startup?

Hey zomerkoning (Summer King should i say)....
I would believe those planes are for another airline. From what i understood, they are just owned by the same group. Nothing more.

He can't confirm that we'll be flying by November......

As said before, the AOC will not arrive this month. So operations to start in November sounds a possibility, but someone must have screwed up in that case, loosing at least a big chunk out of the haj business.

7900$ pbh sounds far too much, SV pays less than that to AI and Phuket!

Aircraft not here yet.

So you reckon we wont start at least until November???

No AOC this month? Who told you that? Some of you guys always seem to have some kind of secret information that you, and i'm very grateful, come and share with us. Newest one, AOC delayed again. I'd love to believe you (would feel much more confortable to know some1 at least knows sth and shares it with us); but if i may ask, where did you get to know that? What are your sources? Are they reliable? Is it not the new scoop on one of those Galley FM channels?

as i wrote, as i know and as the info i've, the AOC has to be issued this week, due holiday period in france between august...the possible delay is of a week, not of a month! ore more!!! they told me that everything is ready, the only thing they'r waiting is the AOC, immediately after delivery we'll start! ... but now i'm not so sure about the info i've...who is right? probably anyone or everyone...at the moment i'm only waiting that call and that contract to sign....so....i'm ready! :D

I hope the AOC is ready by the end of the month.... but for some reason I'm not feeling very possitive at the moment: WW is not sending us more emails and has to be us who sends emails, after that email saying on monday we were going to get dates and everything... and all we got was an email asking for 2 references and it wasn't even coming from Eagle...
Hopefully we don't have to wait another month

Hopefully AOC will be ready soon, we are waiting so long

WW or EA have not contacted any references yet..or at least mine!

ive found this on a website

CH-Aviation - Airline News, Fleet Lists & More (http://www.ch-aviation.ch/aircraft.php?search=set&airline=EGN&al_op=1)

Jason contacted my references the same day i sent them to him. However it was just a way to keep us busy and quiet for a while :)

The F-GTIR apparently is parked at TIR airport at the moment

No idea about the other 2 though...

Im hoping to get info about the AOC soon,I'll keep you informed...

I leave you this website....very interesting to follow Eagle's actions


EUROPEAN AIRLINE SCENE (http://www.flightglobal.com/airspace/blogs/john_dyer/default.aspx)

Hey there !
Information I just received from one of my contacts and that needs to be confirmed : seems like former Eagle Aviation cab' crews who were called back by EAE have now started with the training in Paris.
True or false, i don't know.
Anyone knows anything ?

PBH = Per Bloc Hour
and indeed 7900 is way too high for a 747-400 ACMI
plus the crew's Per diem ( they are asking $100 a day per crew member
i was not aware that she did not have an AOC
that is probably why she was asking for that amount ,she is not ready to lease the AC's thus she knows no one would want to pay that ridiculous price
we offered her more than 4000 HOURS in ACMI business
estimated at about 25 million dollars ( 9 MONTHS LEASE) everyone could have made some money , from them to the Crews and the ground personnel !
it was sad to see those deals go waste at the last minute

@<hidden> airalgerie: what company do u work for?? Sounds like you have info... do u know if EAE are dealing with any other airline??

thanks for the information!!

Hi Tuki , i have my own little company , and i deal a lot with lessors like EAE and Air Atlanta
EAE is not dealing with any airline for the moment (as far as i know)
probably because of their AOC status
i wouldnt count much on them , there's definitely more business doing with others like GAM aviation and Air America.

from my contact....ite old french ccrew (that'll be based in france) are on training in cdg now for 757 only, immediately later we'll start (747 757 767)...the A/C is parked in TIA only for less taxess costs...we'll be contacted soon. the AOC'llbe delivered soon, very soon....french authorities wanted some french emplojed for AOC, that's te reason of the delay....hope the info are true...we all ate waiting.

PS the big delay (nov) is for the F100 company, the some group of EAE but not the some, who'll fly in Azerbaidjan, little bit later

@<hidden>: is your source 100% reliable?????

think so...hope so...nothing is sure till we all will sign a contract or we'll be in CDG for the training....

Hi 2_ki,
Tzigane seems to be on the money so far, If old eagle staff are retraining then it must be really close otherwise why spend the money? I'll bet a beer on the first crews will be flying by 1st of next month. Any takers?


Beer could be wine etc etc

:ok:

To be honest I don't see that moment since we've been waiting for so long.......

This is exactly what we were looking for.......

Thanks FlyingBlue79 :ok:

Thanks for info

We were meant to receive an email from Jason yesterday....... I'd say we have more information than WW... or that's what they say!!!

So guys, there is no date about issuing an AOC ?
:ugh:

I could be wrong, But.

The aoc will be issued when its issued. Meaning the dgac should say "here is your AOC mr eagle, well done." As apposed to "you aoc will be issued a week next tuesday"

So it will turn up soon I'm sure, because why would you train the ex-staff on a very short course if it not due very soon?

Any takers?

why would you train the ex-staff on a very short course if it not due very soon

My question is: why would you train former Eagle Cabin crews, Thai, Azerbaijan, etc and not the crews from Wynnwith?????????????

Thats the point!!! Why is everybody being trained but us????????

Well tu_ki , I believe what you mentioned was inaccurate. The Training Course for Thai Crew has also been postponed...as in my previous reply. I am not sure about Phillipinos and Azerbaijan... To be honestly ... I'm not so positive...although I have called my agency here in BKK but they even know less than what we have been discuss in here... they just told me that EAE will possibly not hiring us thru IMI Eagle (the umbrella company) but will recruit cabin crews themselves which means EAE will contact directly with local agent since they are not so happy with what IMI Eagle have done so far... (this statement is quote from what World Power Services have told me) These are only what I have been advised so far..... even our agency here is not so positive about this case either. Like Flyingblue said "Open your eyes and look around" at lease it hurts less....

hi everyone,

as i m starting to be desperate:{ i sent an email to stephanie...and she replied me :


" At the moment they still do not have their AOC, however they are working towards obtaining this by 20th September.

Eagle are very confident that they will obtain their AOC, and have already started re-training some of their ex - cabin crew in Paris in preparation.
They are very eager to get the Wynnwith cabin crew on as soon as the AOC is finalised, and have said that they will provide us with an official update by the end of this week."

ok it can help to give us some more faith but what if there is another delay? again?
cause that is not funny anymore!

I think she sent that email to everybody because I got that one and I didn't send her any.

However I don't believe this story.... I don't even think this plan is going ahead....with us at least!

What about if Eagle don't get AOC??? If they're so confident and training ex-Eagle cabin crews.... why not us???!!!

And.... she told us in one of her last emails (14th of August if I'm not wrong) that she was getting dates and locations from Eagle in 3 days time... of course, we didn't receive such information!!

I hope this plan goes ahead but I'm not feeling possitive at this time..... They're not serious Companies

Why did this forum get so quiet??????????

Probably because you haven't posted anything for two days !
;-)

Probably........ but I don't have any news

same here.... think we're all waiting/hoping that tomorrow we receive this "official update" as Steph told us we would and that it'll be good news... but i wouldn't bet on it.

still no news

tu_ki,

you were asking for some more action in the forum...
seems like your wish is our command ! :)

cabin crew are training at CDG

Still in talks with French CAA however, the flight with B757 took place yesterday with CAA onboard at the French base as far as I am aware. Hope to have AOC in about two weeks, all going well.

Initially probably only operating with 757.

Other A/C no longer in Albania, now in France.

Things are moving, so people need to hold in there

I hope we get an email tomorrow and not like last time.... just references


Fingers crossed :ok:

Does any1 know how many people have been selected in London ?
How many as CCM ?
How many as SCCM ?

I think were 40 in total but I don't know how many SCCM or CCM

I know the B757 was in St Nazaire a few days ago (and that's 99% for sure).
B747.... no idea.

This is what I was missing guys:cool:

Well done!!! :ok:

Guys, does anybody know where is 747 now?

I understand its in the middle of france, the red house.:ok:

757 in st nazaire

747 in chateaureaux

Do you guys know where in Paris is the training course???

Fouquet's , Champs Elysées !

tu_ki,

The only thing I know is that the ex crews have been seen in CDG.
Forget about George V and Fouquet's... these were... let's say "private jokes". And Should Eagle reach Fouquet's and George V hotel standards.... Argh !!! Gear, stop dreaming ! wake up ! :)

Look, Eagle have offices in CDG... I guess it will be in CDG or in ORY. Maybe in St Nazaire for an A/C visit. The location is just a detail at the moment.

Today's Friday. We're supposed to receive that "official update" today.
Don't have much hope !

I've been told the Company knows if theyre getting the AOC 5 days in advance.... prob thats why today were getting the 'official' update

1. I don't know about that "5 days" story... How does an airline get an AOC ? Honestly I have no clue.
2. I do not expect any update today (this story's been the same, week after week since July!). On the other hand, I do hope I'm wrong !

I don't know how to get an AOC but I read somewhere the airline needs to show the Authorities all the Manuals, Safety procedures, MEL, a/c, etc etc etc.... so I guess is not easy.... But if 5 days in advance they know if theyre getting it or not today should be "the day" since Stephanie said they're working to get it by the 20th, which is next Sunday.... and I don't think DGAC work on Sundays in France.....

And I'm not hoping to get any email today either.... we all know what happened last time we got that answer!! But we might be wrong :ok:

Ref the AOC, If they know they are getting it in five days time then they have it? but can start operating in 5 days?
To get one you must produce a lot of paperwork like; FTL's how many crew per A/c etc etc, you get my point. Some NAA require crews to be already trained,Tech CC and maybe check in staff, blar blar blar.
I've heard that the DGAC is at the head office this week and so might be finishing the last of the paperwork. Let hope so:D

I also understand that the 2nd 744 is in England. So that A/c would require yet more paperwork to put it on the french registry. about 2 weeks. so when that 1 moves the AOC must be issued. (just a good guess).

Any thoughts BB?

@<hidden> FlyingBlue : Flying for Saudi Arabian Airlines, I think we'd wear their uniform....

What I understood is that the DGAC tell them something like: in 5 days you'll have your AOC.....

I was a bit curious about the uniform as well.... do u think we'll fly for Saudi Arabian Airlines??? They had a big dispute last year and Eagle got the French Authorities to seize one of their aircrafts at CDG due to an understanding payment

New owner.... new contacts, new contracts !
Business is business

I can't find SAA's uniform.....

Nothing special... blue suit, white shirt... standard !

Hi 2ki,

Is that 5 working days ie, next friday you can start operating? or "It all looks good in 5 days time you should have your aoc" (but not for sure.).

Ref the inpounded A/c that was the administrator. not really eagle france.

My beer bet is still good, any takers yet:ok:

I'd say is 'all looks good, in 5 days u should have your AOC' but Im not sure about this.... But as soon as u get the AOC u can start operating.

I'm taking that bet btw.... I'd say first crews will be flying.....:confused::confused::confused::confused::confused: by 2nd week of October!!

It's 4pm in the UK...... no email yet.......

I agree with FlyingBlue: we won't hear from them...

Hopefully, not for another month!!!

Should we email them then?

Guys, I dont know how about you (european crew), but the latest news what i got was in august. They told that AOC should be in september 15th or 20th, and probably Jeddah is not homebase.

Guys, I dont know how about you (european crew), but the latest news what i got was in august. They told that AOC should be in september 15th or 20th, and probably Jeddah is not homebase
I didn't know about this........... the only thing I know is that training is in Paris.

Where is homebase going to be then????

@<hidden> oceana: are you part of the 'european' crew???

No, i am not part of european crew. They told maybe homebase will be in one of Far East countries, but no confirmation.
I dont understand why Eagle dont tell us exactly where the homebase will be

Ok. I think last time was my turn. Who is willing to send an Email before they leave for the weekend?

I rang yesterday.... I don't mind to send an email today but Im not sure how to ask them:eek:

Straight forward : we have been told "friday" for the ??th time. Well today's friday. What are the news?

Lets see.....

What do u guys think about a different homebase?????

Guys, you can ask about homebase when contact agency.

I asked our agency about a month ago and they said JED is not for sure.... but I remember during the interview the guy told me JED was the homebase for the first 3 months.... after all this tiime we are waiting, I don't believe anything until I see/read... it.

Where have u been recruited oceana??

recruited from Azerbaijan. First i've been told that homebase will be Jeddah, but in august they told that probaly it is not Jeddah. I dont know what to think, Jeddah or Far East or elsewhere

I remember a while ago AirAlgerie posted he/she was in contact with Eagle to lease one of their planes and they were asking for way too much..... I remember he/she said as far as he/she knew Eagle didn't have any contracts signed with any Companies so far so if thats true... I'd say thats the reason for changing homebase...

No emails from WW so far!!!

hope soon everything will be clear, we are waiting so long

Have u wondered why Eagle is not giving any information to WW or the other agencies?????

Well, as expected another week without information. Once again, Stephanie or WW lied giving us a date for un update and no email or phone call... I don't blame Stephanie or WW, probably they didn't get the info from Eagle but don't tell us for the 2nd time we are meant to receive an official update by the end of the week.... and on Friday you don't send anything.

New week, same hopes ! .... Just another maaaaaaanic Mondaaaaaaaay !

I've heard a NON confirmed rumour that the AOC should be advised to eagle this week.

Anyone else heard this rumour?:O

Wé ça va pas tarder, ils vont obtenir sous peu le CTA tant attendu et ça devrait suivre pour le reste...

Soyez un peu plus patient c'est tout, Eagle a toujours fonctionné de la sorte (attente interminable et ensuite HOP!!ils appellent et tout s'enchaine rapidement)
Donc faut rester Zen, sinon ça promet pour la suite si vous êtes déjà impatient lol.

Bon courage à tous...

@<hidden> TcKVs: Is your source good????

Mais qu'est ce que vous vous enmerdez à perdre votre temps avec des compagnies pareilles????

C'est tout le temps le même bordel et ensuite ça foire direct. Ca fait deux mois que ca raconte la meme chose, "Friday we get more news" "Next week they got the AOC" "Is your insider reliable?"

Vraiment je rêve? Utilisez votre énergie à postuler chez des Cathay, Sin, ... la reprise viendra de là et arrêtez de vous borner à ne voir qu'une impasse!!!!

Vous trimerez 2 fois plus qu'aillieurs pour deux peanuts à la fin du mois.

WAKE UP GUYS!!!! Think long term!!!! :ugh:

Moi le seul truc que je comprends pas c'est leur impatience.
Et aussi pourquoi ils en profitent pas pour postuler ailleurs et multiplier leur chance de passer des selections et donc avoir du taf.
Je pense aussi que beaucoup Idéalise Eagle,car on leur a vendu un bon produit via leur agence à londres ou ailleurs....
Mais comme je l'ai dit précédemment, chez Eagle on apprend en tout cas un chose:
c'est à etre très tres très PATIENT :}

Do u reckon we'll receive an email this week??????

on friday, and AOC on next week... lol

Hi Birdie767,

Was that last friday the 11th so aoc next week (ie this week) or this is a hope?:cool:

let hope the former.:D

only joking ;-)

best wishes for everyone

I hope we get the official update this week but being honest.... I don't think so

Well, I've been told Eagle don't want to give a date for our training until they get the AOC but my question is: why are they re-training ex-Eagle and Azerbaijan cabin crews????

I had so much faith a few weeks back,but now its near on 2 months since my interview.I appreciate that wynnwith is not at fault here,but one has to think that if this is the way we have been treated so far ,well what the hell is it going to be like online.When we do recieve an email,its full of fibble excuses,ive been in the industry far to long to know that an aoc does not take this long,if the so called airline has everything in place.And pleased dont tell me that the french are on holiday once again, or is it this week a strike....
myself and 6 freinds have written in to the agency to pull out of this shambles of a company.they would of have had everyone stay if they had only offered them a contract and at least a basic pay,instead of hanging us on a piece of cotton thread.they have postponed some courses,why?
no contracts?,over employed?..A DREAM...?
goodbye eagle and hello atlanta,yes they are still seeking crew in the middle east...established airline with a good reputation in the middle east.

Well, I don't know about ex Eagle crew re-training, but Azerbaijani crew need to have Attestation of Cabin Crew initial safety training for working in european airline

But you've done your training in Amsterdam..... so I guess you guys got it

yes all azerbaijani crew had training and got attestation

And do you have any information of start dates or home base?? What about contracts??

I also didnt see and sign any contracts. No idea about start dates. Since august dont have any news

I know, I know.

But has anyone had an email today?:ok:

Good feelings:cool: about today

didn't u receive one from S. this morning ?
757 : AOC ok
747 : hopefully in one month.

As we are only meant to fly 747, another month to wait.

C'est deja une tres bonne nouvelle!!
Il faut juste attendre pour les autres aéronefs! chaque chose en son temps:)

Comme tu me le dis si souvent : patience ! :-)
es-saber !

hi guys, any news?

Flyingblue,

That should be nice news :) merci!

Hi FB !
Not much hope... You should go to Romania hahaha, why don't u give it a try ? Seems like there is sth moving on down there ;)

I think today Stephanie has news for others... Our turn will b soon :cool:

hey tu_ki ?
Who are the others ???
@<hidden> : just take off your shoes and you'll be fine :)

Plus you'll keep your shoes that way !

The others are those lucky ones who got the phone call from WW offering the job in Romania :}

Yh but the ones who accepted the offer are getting a phone call from her today with all the official details.... or is it called 'official update'??? Only messing...!!

i don't care about UPdates, i want a START date !

I agree with Gear :D

is it for sure there was any kind of meeting ?

@<hidden> FlyingBlue: I had my phone off yesterday all morning so I don't know if WW rang me. However, I dont think I can live in Romania....my Manolo's wouldn't forgive me hahaha

You guys don't even try and find reasons. You may simply admit that you're all dying to fly with me.... and, as a matter of fact, follow me in JED ! :)

@<hidden> : some1 told me you could be from my country... and sth tells me we could be working for the same airline. Would that be possible ?

Hi Gear, anything is possible but the country where I live is so small I thought I knew all airline staff.

Haven't heard anything about yesterdays or todays meetings.

TckVs, you have a private message :)

I emailed them recently but I got the usual : we can't give you information until Eagle provide us with it, sorry for the inconvenience, I hope this helps, we'll contact you as soon as we get any information/update, .......

I think they should start training us tooif thats what they've done with ex-Eagle crews but I'd say they're not that sure about the AOC for the 747

Bad news for Philippine crew, our agency told us today that they are returning our documents and reimbursing our medical expenses. According to them the AOC has not yet been granted or IMI was not informed about the AOC being given. We don't know whether to believe our agency or not.

Here in the Philippines we have a government agency who looks after overseas working Filipinos. They have a policy that when an agency doesn't deploy an employee within 3 months, the employee has the right to sue the agency. I was thinking that this may be the case. They said that they will have a meeting this Saturday and give us a final decision whether to let us go or for those who are willing to wait, can wait but no assurance that this will push through.

We are all confused. :(.... but somehow not surprised because they don't give us updates and rarely do they answer our calls.
Your thoughts will be appreciated.

I meant the licence or whatever is called.... for the 747.

@<hidden>: We've been told by our agency that Eagle got the AOC on the 17th of September but I don't know whether that's true or is just a way to keep us 'happy' and quiet...

However, I read somewhere that some non-European crews were not going to be hired in the end but I don't know if you guys are included

Last I heard. A few days ago they had no AOC and they were waiting for one...
One 747 is standing somewhere in France.
But if it will ever take off is questionnable.

@<hidden>: Are u sure EAE didnt have AOC few days ago??? As per agency they got it on the 17th of September!

Good Evening ladies and gentelmes my name is Farruh Im from Azerbaijan and just came back from courses wich take part in Amsterdam i would like to ask you do you have ane information about home base

FlyingBlue79

Last time the 747 was standing somewhere in asia, it had exactly the same registration F GTIR, EA had an AOC and it still did not take off, the operation I mean. So yes it is questionnable if it will ever start.

Hi guys!!

Does anybody have any news/updates??

Unfortunately no news! nothing! tzigane where are u? do you know something? u always have some information! pleaaaase! lol!
im worried guys! we should have so news by now!.. about the training at least!

absolutely no news

hi guys ..i m trying to retrieve info to send a cv...but the website is under construction..where i could send a cv?

Read this topic carefully and then reconsider your application...:rolleyes:

hi guys, I've read that Eagle's owner Evsengroup became owner of Albanian Airlines as well. Maybe this is the reason of delays. Any idea?

Apparently we are meant to receive an update this week... Just to let you know guys, WW had (as far as I know) 2 updates from Eagle which they didn't let us know.

spoke yesterday with WW....as confirmation of my contact's info in EAE...within 48 hrs (this evening is the end) French DGAC has to deliver the AOC's annex for 747...(EAE has the 757's) and the training is planned very very soon...we will be updated from Stephanie or Jason today or tomorrow. The biggest delay seems to come by the old managment, that made a lot of mistakes/mass/disasters.....byebye

Salaries of EAE staff are not paid, so training for EAE non staff does not seem to be an option just yet.

There are also some issues with the licence........

hello,

tzigane thank u for the information!! :ok: and tuki
Bose? who are you? where did u get this information? i was happy with the previous news why did u upset me? lol! just joking:\! tell us from where do u know this please, hopefully tomorrow we get this f****.. email saying we are starting this training soon!

I m part of the staff. did you get your email?

Hi Bose,

I'm not staff could tell us about the email?

:ok:

no i didnt receive anything! which kind of email?

hello everyone! someone else get this email??, apparently we are supposed to receive one; did u all get it? am i the only one without news?

Hey zizou, stop worrying about that email, we didn't received any.
I think he was just trying to know whether we had received any.
But, honestly, don't you think that if he was an Eagle employee indeed as he says he is, he should be able to give us info, instead of asking....
Well, that's my point of view.
Take care.

Chin up everyone It can't get any worse,

Can It?:E

GEAR i think you are right!!! :ok:
i found this strange too

No salaries paid.... I was just asking if tsigane received the email from WW...
Unless the EAE staff gets paid, I don't see how you guys would start training.

my wage on my account this morning buit for those who earn more than 3000€ I don't know yet.

Hey guys!!

Does anybody have any information/ update????????

Hi BOSE 30, do you have any information regarding the start of training for Asian and European crew?:confused: I believe that those from Azerbaijan are done their training in AMS.

Hi Guys /Galls,

Does anyone know if the 757 is working yet? It looks a great plane, shame to have it on the ground.

Chin up:E

757 is supossed to b in Albania but no idea if is flying...

Hey guys....

We're meant to receive an update from Stephanie today....

well so much for a update then we wait 1 month more.... is this for real or???

Now I doubt this is going ahead... We're just receiving excuses...

I think its going to get going, not going going gone.

But they need to get their finger out first.

Anyone who works for them know about dates for the first Real flights for the 757 and the 744?

hi guys,
no news since long time

Hi oceana,


Our latest news are that Eagles licence for the 747 has been delayed, the company is reviewing management structure and both of these issues have slowed down the recruitment of cabin crew.

Basically once these issues are sorted theyll give us a training date.

Nice plane though :ok:

Just out of general curiosity, what have the staff at Wynnwith actually done for people like Tu-Ki, Gear, Flyingblue etc over the past few months?
It seems they never really kept their promises about updates and blamed it all on Eagle Aviation.
Eagle might be a somewhat vague outfit, but what about Wynnwith, how well did they do in this matter when it comes to support and info?

Hey guys,

For those of you who are not aware of the following:

Eagle is owned by Evsen Group who also owns Albanian Airlines (that's why both 747 and 757 were in Tirana) so it's more than likely that we'll all fly for Albanian Airlines but this still needs to be confirmed.

Hi guys,just give up te idea of flying for that compagny,you ve al been too patient and they are taking the p... out of you

hi oli3808,
why? do you know something more about that company?

Regards

And the saga unfortunately continues.
Maybe it's time someone drops by the Wynnwith offices, they are the company who make money easily by sending applicants to Eagle.
Get some serious answers and explanations from them why you guys still aren't flying...and then draw your conclusions.

The Hajj movement has started and as i stated months ago, there are NO French registered aircraft operating for Saudia.......

Mutt

Hey mutt,

That's no news : everybody knows Eagle planes are not in Saudi Arabia : they're in Tirana, already painted into Albanian Airlines colors...

Read the latest news on this website : Albanian Airlines - Spirit of Albania (http://www.albanianair.com/)

;-)

Albanian Airlines......hooray for dodgey recruitment agencies and even more dodgey French airlines!

Hey Mutt,

Again your on the money.:(

and, as a matter of fact, follow me in JED ! This was from you a month ago.....

People wouldn't believe me when i said that we wouldn't deal with Eagle.....

Mutt

I can already imagine what Wynnwith will write in their next mail to all future Eagle f/a's:

"due to unforseen circumstances our client has changed it's mind and decided to operate with a not yet granted AOC for an undisclosed airline performing flights from an unknown base,offering a yet undefined salary package.
Training locations will be announced shortly, please wait another week or so for more news"......what a joke :=!

Folks,
Why don't you apply for Albanian Airlines? There is a recruitment process ongoing now

Albanian Airlines has an ongoing need to recruit cabin crew and if you are interested in being considered please send your CV to recruit_cabincrew@<hidden> (recruit_cabincrew@<hidden>) and we will contact you for the next intake. Due to the high volume of applications that we receive, only shortlisted applicants will be contacted.

Good luck everybody!