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N.HEALD
27th Apr 2009, 18:28
This from todays Express & Echo Witheridge plane crash, Foxden Farm, BAC Strikemaster | Witheridge news | This Is Exeter (http://www.thisisexeter.co.uk/news/Pilots-escape-jet-crash-lands/article-938102-detail/article.html)

TWO pilots escaped unhurt after their historic military jet crash-landed near a Devon farm. The plane came down near Foxden Farm, Witheridge, near Tiverton, yesterday afternoon. It is thought to be a privately-owned ex-military BAC Strikemaster, operated by the Exeter Hunter Flying Club.
It is also understood it took off from Exeter International Airport before those flying the plane took the decision to crash-land after losing power at around 2,000ft. Emergency services responded to the incident and the Environment Agency was also called to prevent the large amount of fuel onboard causing pollution.

Chris Bridgeman, group commander for Devon and Somerset Fire and Rescue Service, said the pair involved in the accident had been lucky to escape unharmed. He said: “The two people in the plane were taken away very early but they were walking around with apparently no injuries. They were very lucky. “One of the wings is snapped and that is where the fuel supply is. Because of that, we have put up a 200-metre exclusion zone to keep the crews safe. “Our role now is to preserve the site for accident investigators but the exclusion zone will remain until they come as the plane is a hazard as it has 500 litres of fuel onboard.
“The ejector seats are also still in situ and they contain a charge in them which sends the seat up.” Mr Bridgeman said there had been an issue of fuel run-off, but that had been dealt with by the fire service and the Environment Agency. He said there had been some contamination of a nearby stream which had been dealt with. Besides fire engines from Witheridge, Tiverton, Crediton and Exeter, the police, ambulance and air ambulance were involved. Fire engines from Wellington and Taunton equipped with foam in case the plane did cause a fire also attended.
Staff from the Department of Transport’s Air Accidents Investigation Branch were on their way to the scene from Farnborough, in Hampshire.
Mr Bridgeman said an investigation would take place when they arrived if there was enough light. If there wasn’t, then the fire service would keep watch on the site overnight and the AAIB would investigate the scene today.

The Hunter Flying Club, which keeps a number of historic aircraft at Exeter airport, said it could not comment before the investigation was completed.

andyy
28th Apr 2009, 07:26
I wouldn't normally post a link about a crash but this is an unusual aircraft in the UK now. Both POB got out OK. Pilot crashes historic jet into hedge - Telegraph (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/howaboutthat/5229929/Pilot-crashes-historic-jet-into-hedge.html)

NigelOnDraft
28th Apr 2009, 07:40
See http://www.pprune.org/private-flying/371621-ex-mil-jet-down-crew-reported-safe.html ;)

NoD

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Spanish Waltzer
28th Apr 2009, 12:22
Depends on your definition of ok - have heard one of the pilots has been transferred to a specialist spinal unit. Lets hope its just a precaution.

SW

glad rag
28th Apr 2009, 19:46
The seats don't seem to be sitting correctly in the photograph that accompanies that Times article fingers crossed for all.

wiggy
28th Apr 2009, 21:32
Looking at the pic I'm not sure the seats are "wrong", it just looks that way because the aircraft attitude. From memory the canopy arch was tightish fit over the top of the seats.

Glad they got out reasonably OK..

arandcee
28th Apr 2009, 21:48
Out of interest do 'preserved jets' (if that's the right phrase) generally have functioning ejection seats?

Runaway Gun
28th Apr 2009, 22:02
Some do, although the majority don't as the owners don't seem to think the price is worth it.

Big Sand
28th Apr 2009, 22:15
Hi N.Heald,
Any idea who was flying / passenger in the Strikemaster. I think I may know the group that operate this aircraft.

Many thanks

Big Sand:ouch:

Tyres O'Flaherty
28th Apr 2009, 23:05
Thought bang seats were disarmed/disallowed under Caa regs for private a/c. Was I imagining ?

Trojan1981
28th Apr 2009, 23:41
Are you not allowed to have ejection seats on Civil reg a/c in the UK? You can have them in Australia, as long as they are correctly maintained.

Sounds like they rode in in:eek:

Brian Abraham
29th Apr 2009, 01:34
Was a time when they were not permitted in Australia, the thinking at the time being it would be incentive to the owners not to short change maintenance. Policy probably changed I guess after after the Mig-15 engine bay fire burnt through the elevator controls at Canberra and the two chaps lost their lives.

N.HEALD
29th Apr 2009, 07:31
Hi Big Sand

Dont know who the crew were but, they took off in a three ship formation around lunchtime, then returned about an hour later, about mid afternoon took of again in a three ship and it was on this sortie that the accident happend. The three aircraft are currently based at EGTE and I beleive being operated in conjunction with the Hunter flying club on the North side of the airfield. If I find out any names I'll PM you accordingly.

Nige

TEEEJ
29th Apr 2009, 08:11
Thread with links from a few years ago.

http://www.pprune.org/private-flying/82652-ejection-seats-uk-civil-aircraft.html

TJ

jimgriff
29th Apr 2009, 14:39
One of the great debates in the in the civilian ex military jet market is what exactly is the legislation regarding use and operation of ejection seats. It would seem that there are no hard and fast rules, and once the aircraft has a certificate announcing its airworthiness the owner can make modifications to the seats to render them non functioning.

One of the biggest fears of not having functioning seats is thet in a jet aircraft you have a ton or so of heavy metal behind you anfd if you stop v suddenly in a forced landing the engine could keep going and punch through the bulkhead!

Ejection seats kept live are a must in my humble opinion.

Further reading-
Civil legislation (http://ejectorseats.co.uk)
ok

Bigt
29th Apr 2009, 14:58
At lunchtime today I saw, what i thought was, a sand coloured strikemaster on a lorry around Exeter on the M5. Didnt think anymore of it till I saw this thread.

Icare9
29th Apr 2009, 17:16
In regard to ejection seats in ex military aircraft, wasn't there a case of a Jet Provost in which one occupant fell through the canopy due to the seat being loose when it was rolled? I seem to recall it being based in the Essex area. Only reason I remember is that I treated the other half to flying lessons out of Southend and we happened to see a JP speed by not too far away.....

jindabyne
29th Apr 2009, 17:25
Interesting thread this - though why are a few contributors withdrawing their very pertinent posts, eg JF?

John Farley
29th Apr 2009, 18:09
jindabyne

Not me my friend. Somebody else must have pulled it.

JF

jindabyne
30th Apr 2009, 14:56
Hi John,

How extraordinary - can't think why? Any clue Mods?

PPRuNe Pop
30th Apr 2009, 16:46
Nor I JB, but I can tell you that no posts have been pulled although some have been merged.