Canberra no ASIC

[kevineggsandbacon]

Hey guys this is my first post on this forum and any help would be great, I am planning a flight up to Canberra for the long weekend with a few mates in a warrior from Melbourne. I currently dont have an ASIC card and was wondering if anyone knows the airport and if its possible to park the plane at an areo club and enter and exist without one. Already booked a hotel for two nights and would hate to have wasted my hard earned hour building money for nothing!
Thanks!

[Krazy]

Good timing on the post there...

The Canberra Aero Club does not have 'airside access'. In the last few months, Canberra Airport created an 'access facility' for GA. You can get out, but you can't get in (you have to call the duty person to let you in). Which means you would need someone to escort you back to your plane when you leave (and if you want to be legal about it, have someone escort you from your plane to the gate when you arrive). If you PM me, I can send an email around to some members (I'm on the board) to see if anyone can help you out (I would - but I'll actually be in Melbourne for the long weekend!!)

[Lasiorhinus]

Other than for the learning experience you will gain in planning a flight to a security controlled airport when you do not have an ASIC, why didn't you already apply for one?

You will be able to get access by calling the security officer, phone number is in the ERSA, but be certain to make your time of departure within normal working hours, or they won't be pleased.

[Biggles_in_Oz]

Other than for the learning experience you will gain in planning a flight to a security controlled airport when you do not have an ASIC, why didn't you already apply for one? Speaking for myself, because ;
(a) I still view it as an ongoing political stunt,
(b) its' possible value is diminished by being required at such high-risk places like Birdsville, Karumba or Fitzroy Crossing,
(c) it assumes that I am so untrustworthy that I require loyalty rechecking every 2 years,
(d) the background checking is ineffectual because unless I've already come to the notice of the spooks they cannot find anything negative about me unless I volunteer it.


Bah... humbug. A pox on the politicians and the bureaucrats who blindly perpetuate this inanity.

[mcgrath50]

Or maybe your a terrorist who doesn't want to be found out?

They are everywhere you know!

I'll call the terror hotline, it's okay, ASIO will sort this one out :ok:

[tio540]

You will need an ASIC to get back in when you leave Canberra. Try and take an ASIC holder on the flight. Watch the cross wind from the hills.

[zube]

And density altitude if you've got a heavy a/c full of mates, and fuel.

Elevation is around 1900ft.

[Flyingblind]

tio450 wrote 'Watch the cross wind from the hills.'

And from that marvellous hangar "someone" built adjacent the touch down markers for 35.

Wonder why that was bulit where it was?

[apache]

Does it have to be an ASUTRALIAN ASIC ? or can an overseas one, with "access all areas", be used at these "high security" airports?

[pw1340]

I could well be wrong (don't often use the 'privilidges' of my ASIC Card), but I thought that except in an emergency you could not even land at a security controlled airport without a valid ASIC. So some one in the plane would have to have one (I think). Could be worth checking out.

Cheers

PW

[Bell_Flyer]

Mr Biggles_in_Oz!

Bah... humbug. A pox on the politicians and the bureaucrats who blindly perpetuate this inanity.

Are you insinuating that some of our CASA 'crats and Aviation Portfolio Ministers are learning impaired, unreasonable or unintelligent? Are you saying that their egregious behaviour goes unchecked by the public at large and goes against common sense?

Statistics show that not ONE aircraft has been hijacked from Thargomindah, Birdsville, Fitzroy Crossing or Oodnadatta. Further, there is no evidence that anyone with an ASIC around their neck has been hijacked. The system works. Don't f--- with it. Don't you know that if only more people had ASICs in the Qantas terminal the poor bikie would not have been bashed? Reason this out for yourself.

In all seriousness, the only thing that saves us from CASA's ASIC 'crats is inefficiency. An efficient CASA bureaucracy is the greatest threat to liberty. Let them continue to bring ASICs and $5m fences to Mt Dare homestead, Kunnawarrajit (along the Canning Stock Route), Warrakurna (near Lassiters Cave), Sir Douglas Mawson's hut, and other very remote places. Whilst they have their heads so far up their bums in the outback worrying about camel or penguin security, our flying liberties will be curtailed, but slowly....

Just remember, Biggles_in_Oz, everyone is entitled to be stupid - it's just that the ASIC industry abuse their privilege.

Happy Easter.

[YPJT]

Bell Flyer,
I think upon checking your facts you will find it is indeed the Office of Transport Security within the Dept of Infrastructure, Transport, Regional Development and Local Govt (formerly DOTARS) who are responsible for the administration of the ASIC program.

CASA, like every other security controlled airport in the country, is merely an Issuing Body. Unfortunately they earned the reputation at being probably the most inept at it.

To clarify:
CASA = aviation safety legislation
OTS = aviation security legislation.
They are chalk and cheese in terms of their involvement with the industry.

[Flash_11]

YPJT is correct OTS does administer the ASIC program. Also you do not need an ASIC to fly an aircraft (daft I know) if you don't have one at a security controlled airport you need to be escorted to the plane and fly your little heart out.

Doesn't make any sense, but when did that stop the Government bringing in programs that aren't fully researched.

Off to the twilight zone.

[bushy]

A while back Alice Springs aero club lost a warrior when a mentally challenged person stole it and crashed it. He simply did a TIF and watched where the keys were kept, and how the door lock worked.
One morning they could not find their warrior and soon discovered it in a smoking heap just off the airport.
Apparently this same bloke had tried to do that in Darwin but was discovered just in time.
Alice Springs also had a disaster many years ago when a pilot stole a Baron and crashed it into a hangar killing some people and seriously injuring others.
This man was obviously mentally impaired, and had done about one years' training with a flying school.

I think flying instructors should have some training and try to detect such people, and flying schools should consider this seriously when issuing qualifications.

Security organisations do not seem to care if they prevent people from doing their work. They seem to have military type training with the object of keeping the baddies out at all costs, and nothing else.
I remember doing a medical evacuation to Darwin in the middle of the night, and after the ambulance took our patient we found the gates were all locked and we could not get off the tarmac to put in a flight plan for the return flight.

There was also a one way push button gate at Alice Springs with a notice saying to ring a certain number for the combination. This was before mobile phones, and after office hours the nearest available phone was about 20 km away.
It appears that the security people do not care about such things
And we have the rediculous situation of aircraft chained up to buildings and fences with chains and padlocks.

[Bell_Flyer]

Thank you - I stand corrected. There are now 3 organisations that may be populated by learning impaired senior executive staff, overlooked by one unintelligent Aviation Minister.

The real question of these 3 department's incompetence is argued IMHO, on too philosophical and abstract a basis. Theoretically, airstrip security may be good at very remote airfields - if you draw a very long bow. But nobody has ever figured out the cause of these people's stupidity and until they do (and find the cure) we may be building fences at Sir Douglas Mawson's hut, Elizabeth Reef, Marble Bar, Fitzroy Crossings, etc

[Horatio Leafblower]

Alice Springs also had a disaster many years ago when a pilot stole a Baron and crashed it into a hangar killing some people and seriously injuring others.
This man was obviously mentally impaired, and had done about one years' training with a flying school.

According to Harry Purvis' book "Outback Airman", the miscreant in the Conellan Airways hangar incident was in fact a CPL holder. The aircraft was stolen from Ord Air Charter in Wyndham and flown to Alice where it was driven into the hangar.

...not only without an ASIC, but without an airways clearance. :hmm:

How would an ASIC card (or ANY of the security measures now in place) have prevented that?

:ugh:

[bushy]

You are quite right about the Baron. The bloke who deliberately crashed that into the hangar did have a CPL, and had spent about a year training with an east coast flying school. I wonder why the instructors there did not realise they were training a mentally impaired person.

The point I was trying to make was that flying schools and instructors should be looking for strange behaviour, and have access to some database of such things.
If the instructors in Darwin who had stopped a person from stealing their aircraft had talked to the instructors in Alice Springs then that same person would probably not have been able to steal and crash the warrior in Alice Springs.
And a pilots licence should require checks before issue and should take the place of an ASIC.
An ASIC would not have prevented either of these two disasters, but I think alert flying instructors with some knowledge and a database may have prevented them.
Our system fails and is often very inappropriate because it is administered by coastal city dwellers who are a long way from where the action is.