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http://gfx.dagbladet.no/labrador/558/558572/5585725/jpg/active/960x.jpg
Småfly nødlandet på islagt vann - nyheter - Dagbladet.no (http://www.dagbladet.no/2009/04/02/nyheter/flyulykke/ulykkesveier/5583898/)
Engine failure over wooded area to the east of Oslo. 2 POB taken to hospital for checkup.
Looks like Oslo Flying clubs LN-NEX DA40
http://www.nettavisen.no/imagecache/parameter/?upsizable=true&action=resize&width=785&height=-1&url=http://pub.tv2.no/multimedia/na/archive/00704/flystyrt__stmark_70426916x9.jpg
http://pub.tv2.no/multimedia/na/archive/00704/fly11_704272a.jpg
http://weeg.binaer.no/weeg_com/valdresfly/bilder-skifly-inn/ski-fly-inn-06%20016.jpg
TuckUnder77
2nd Apr 2009, 17:36
Just another reason not to fly anything with a Thielert engine.
LN-NEX had an emergency landing at ENRY following an engine breakup(!) only a few years ago. Several DA-40's have been forced down due to engine problems during the last few years.
Katamarino
3rd Apr 2009, 09:12
Neat, a flying club on snow!
Justiciar
3rd Apr 2009, 12:25
Just another reason not to fly anything with a Thielert engine.
A bit of a sweeping statement given that the cause of this crash is not known yet! Yes, there have been a number of issues with diesel powered aircraft in general, but would be interested to know what the failure rate per 1000 hours is compared with the Avgas fleet. Does anyone know?
wsmempson
3rd Apr 2009, 12:37
God - how did they get out? with the a/c upside-down, I can't see how the clam-shell door would have lifted?
BackPacker
3rd Apr 2009, 12:53
I can't see how the clam-shell door would have lifted?
The rear door normally swings upwards but has an emergency release that pulls the pin out of the hinges (or something to that effect), allowing the door to slide/swing out sideways.
The pictures were taken from the wrong side of the aircraft to see this, but that's what I'd do to get out in this situation.
Oddly enough, this is not mentioned in the POH at all. At least not in the PDF version that I'm using.
wsmempson
3rd Apr 2009, 13:05
Well done to the occupants for remembering how to pull the pin on the hinge for the back door. Upside-down, in a stream, after a forced landing - that show presence of mind!
englishal
3rd Apr 2009, 17:26
I think it shows that their training worked myself.....
smarthawke
3rd Apr 2009, 18:14
Re the engine and possible failure, there does appear to be a lot of black oily stuff on the port leading edge that pehaps isn't normally there...
TuckUnder77
4th Apr 2009, 13:33
Exactly the same oil spillage on the belly as when the A/C landed at ENRY after the engine breakup...
As far as I've been informed, the occupants did not make their way out through the aft canopy; rather they were saved by pure luck and an escape hole in the front canopy. Not visible in any of the images here, though.
Great to know that the occupants were not injured, but taken into account the amount of engine-related problems on these aircraft, it's time to put them on the ground until further investigations have been completed. Something stinks.
The real Iceman
4th Apr 2009, 16:45
When we did the Spitzbergen trip three years ago, GG-33s Bonanza (single) had to have orange "invasion stripes" put on the wings for our passage through Norway. These were to aid search, and rescue in the event of a downed aircraft. I see that this aircraft does not have such wing stripes, and it is easy to see how a white aircraft could disappear after a forced landing in such a snowy environment.
The real Iceman :cool:
Note how the pilot kept the nose wheel off the snow, presumably until elevator authority was lost at ??kts. Nosed over 50-80ft after the nose wheel touched down. Nice one!
I see that this aircraft does not have such wing stripes
They are fitted as standard with an ELB, which is probably more useful for S&R.
had to have orange "invasion stripes" put on the wings for our passage through Norway
This is only required in certain remote areas, eg. Svalbard. See
http://www.caa.no/multimedia/archive/00002/VFR-guide_2866a.pdf
The real Iceman
4th Apr 2009, 20:50
That explains the stripes then. Our destination was Svalbard.
The real Iceman :cool:
G-CPTN
4th Apr 2009, 21:34
A bit of a sweeping statement given that the cause of this crash is not known yet!
Flyet hadde fått motortrøbbel,
The aircraft had had (got) engine trouble . . .
men klarte å nødlande.
but managed to emergency land.
de har foretatt en vellykket nødlanding,
they had carried out a very lucky emergency landing
Det var to personer om bord. Én flyintruktør og en elev,
There were two persons onboard. A flying instructor and a pupil.
På tilbaketuren mot Kjeller fikk de motorproblemer og måtte nødlande
On the return trip towards Kjeller the engine had problems and they had to (make an) emergency landing.
Begge som var ombord er i god behold.
Both of those onboard are in good 'condition' (ie health / state)
Sorry, literal translation only - my other language is Danish (and unused since 1985) - not Norwegian!
Alarmen på Hovedredningssentralen på Sola gikk like før halv ett
The alarm at the main rescue centre at Sola was raised just before 12.30 and the rescue team found the small aircraft at 13.05.
Klokka 13.05 fant redningsmannskapene småfly
Ingen ble alvorlig skadd
No-one was seriously injured (damaged)
Quote:
de har foretatt en vellykket nødlanding,
they had carried out a very lucky emergency landing
Not to bore non Scandinavians with details but the correct translation is:
....very successful emergency landing.... (And indeed it was given the ground conditions)
"Vellykket" does not imply luck or fortunate circumstances :)
bjornhall
5th Apr 2009, 11:31
Is there any accessible data on the engine failure rates of Thielert diesels as compared to Lycoming engines? Preferably broken down on technical and non-technical reasons?
The feeling one gets is that with a Thielert engine, "running" is but a temporary state in preparation for the next engine failure. Until there is data that proves otherwise, I'd be quite hesitant to fly one...
PlasticPilot
5th Apr 2009, 14:18
Once again, the "plastic fuselage" shown useful. Diamond can continue to say that none of their aircraft were broken after crash. Even the seats are integral part of the fuselage (that's why the rudder pedals have to be adjusted, and not the seats).
This is good after accident, as it reduces the risk of fire (less fuel spillage) and of shock for the occupants. No comments regarding the engine at this time.