Jobs for low hour CPL students in Aus and NZ

[captainabcdefg]

Hi guys,

I'd just like to pick your brains for operators here in Australia and also NZ that would accept a new pilot with around 250 hours total time and with a multi-engine IFR.

I really don't have the capacity for another $13,000 or so for an instructor rating after my course. So any ideas would be helpful.

Cheers

[apache]

try www.afap.org.au then click on jobs

[solowflyer]

check your PM

[constellaton]

hi guys

i m in da same boat as captainabcd, have just finsihed my CPL with multi IFR.
so could you please advise the name of the operators who are looking to employ low hour cpl guys.


thanks

[Chadzat]

a bit of research on your own part would go a long way. Rack your brain about what sort of work 4-6 seat single engine aircraft do around the place and then scout out the operators that would operate those sorts of aircraft.

Failing that just do a search with this thread title in proon and you will find at least 10 threads spelling out the names of the operators for you. :ugh:

[Ixixly]

Very useful Chadzat, thanks for the contribution. I'm in the same boat as the other two, i've done my research, got plenty of operators to contact and have been going through the very long list for a while. It is always useful though to hear about those operators who are harder to find and for whom people know there are jobs available.

Hasn't been any up-to-date listings or threads on the subject for a little while. Anyone who has people they can suggest contacting it would be very much appreciated!!

[captainabcdefg]

Hi Chadzat, I did a some searching on here but like Ixixly said, but many of the threads are a bit outdated, so would just like to get some fresh info.

I believe Ixixly, constellaton and many others like me are hoping someone in the industry could point us in the right direction, so as I said, any help would be appreciated.

Cheers

[apache]

...many others like me are hoping someone in the industry could point us in the right direction...


North would be the right direction.

[Chadzat]

As 'short' as my reply may have been, i still stand by it. The places and operators you guys will get a job with have no changed. Although some may have gone out of business in the last 6 months!!

If those "hard to find" operators haven't been sussed out by the folks on here then they are either never going to be found, or once found every man and his dog will be knocking on the door looking for work and you will have missed out!

The same entry level jobs are out there now, there are just fewer of them. If you have initiative then you will be ahead of the pack.

[Howard Hughes]

but many of the threads are a bit outdated
The same employers who always employ newbie pilots are still employing newbie pilots, even in these tough economic times!;)

[Wizofoz]

hi guys

i m in da same boat as captainabcd, have just finsihed my CPL with multi IFR.
so could you please advise the name of the operators who are looking to employ low hour cpl guys.


thanks

Constellation,

Let's say I'm an employer and look at PPrune occasionally.

Let's say I see Captain ABCs well written, spelt and punctuated post.

Let's say I then see the above piece of barely intelligible text-speak.

Who do you think I would be most likely to PM about a job?

[no oil pressure]

Professionalism extends not only during your duties at work but outside in all forms of life. Be it here on a public forum, on a travel day or anywhere really. Who knows where you'll run into your next job opportunity. You wont want to look like a goose when you find out the bloke you have been talking to for the past 10mins happens to be the CP of the company you just sent your CV's to. :ok:

[lilflyboy262]

I've been looking around the place both in NZ and in Aus, I'm a pilot with 500tt, 100ME, with a MEIR, and struggling to nail down a job.
Have CAA and CASA already with all the bells and whistles.
The North and West have dried up, but there is the odd lucky person now and then that lands a job, but the huge numbers arent being taken anymore.

Personally I suggest looking outside of the country, Papua New Guinea, Indonesia, South East Asia and Africa. Your going to have to start getting out of your comfort zone to find jobs.

The main stream options in New Zealand is instructing as there are still a lot of people that have that silly idea that they step off the street, do 200 hours, then end up in the left hand seat of a A320.
OR
People like throwing themselves out of perfectly servicable aircraft at stupidly high heights.
Get yourself a tail dragger rating, do the BGT rating, get a parachute drop rating, then look around.
The bases that I know that do drops are Kerikeri, Whangarei, Mercer, Rotorua, Tauranga and Taupo. Those are the major north island drop centers.
Couldnt hurt to try Queenstown either, but the season is starting to wrap up so you need to get in quick.

[Ovation]

captainabcdefg wrote:

I'd just like to pick your brains for operators here in Australia and also NZ that would accept a new pilot with around 250 hours total time and with a multi-engine IFR.

I really don't have the capacity for another $13,000 or so for an instructor rating after my course. So any ideas would be helpful.

Flipping hamburgers at McDonalds or if you speak broken English and get lost easily, maybe driving a taxi in Adelaide? A paying job in aviation will be somewhat elusive I'd reckon. Good luck anyway. :ok:

[Krazy]

At the risk of being torn to bits by someone on here....

Personally I suggest looking outside of the country, Papua New Guinea, Indonesia, South East Asia and Africa. Your going to have to start getting out of your comfort zone to find jobs.

This option actually sounds fine to me, but is not necessarily an easy thing to do. If I found a job in Africa, I'd go there. Finding that job in the first place, and getting hired from the other side of the world is the hard bit (or am I missing something???). I'm also a low hour CPL pilot looking for a change of career, but short of quitting my job and trekking around the country (or another country), it's hard to find a pilot job. This industry is definitely very different in the way it works when it comes to hiring, something which makes it harder for the non-so-young-ones!

[ZK-NSN]

Krazy.
This option actually sounds fine to me, but is not necessarily an easy thing to do
Who said it was going to be easy?

I remember people coming in to ask about jobs in some shocking states and basically talking their way out of a job. unshaven, hung over (by admission) and dressed like they had crawled out of a gutter.


Wizofoz: agreed, its THE, not da. :ugh:

[lilflyboy262]

Krazy, If you want it, then you will get it.
Work for a month, save every cent instead of boozing, cars and women, and you will have enough to go overseas for a few days. Get some time off and go.
The one thing that I have learnt though, is do not take someones word for it over the phone. Get a hard date and time for the interview, then go.
If you are Aussie based krazy, you can get some very cheap deals out of there into south east asia. There is a lot of work up there.
You just have to be able to put up with the conditions.

[Krazy]

lilflyboy262 - do you suggest just going for a few days and heading to all the small airports in a chosen area and talking myself into a job? Or organising interviews beforehand and then heading over?

[nibbio86]

lilflyboy262 out of curiosity: are you giving these informations because you have first hand experience or because you've heard about that from somebody? In the first case, can you be a little more specific? You know, South-East Asia is quite a big place...

[Lineboy4life]

Don't get dis-heartened youngling, your lack of experience sets you apart from others in a few ways that are positive.

Small time operators quite often work on small time budgets and can only offer small time money, they are well aware of the opportunities presented to pilots with experience and cannot compete with that (both with wage & equipment). The thought of someone enthuisastic, desperate and thankfull for that first start, willing to listen, not grizzle about the T's & C's and get on with it is rather appealing to the odd boss.

find yourself a small operator, convince em your not gonna be a jerk or wreak anything and get yer career started!!!

Target sceenic ops with piston singles or anything with piston singles for that matter, skydiving, fire spotting, survey & even glider towing to assist with the first thousand hrs

p.s sorry about the grammer, I left school early to go flying hahahahaha

[lilflyboy262]

Krazy - Both approaches can work.
Sometimes aviation seems to be "johnny on the spot". Right man at the right time. But it can be very hit and miss. And if you dont have the luxury of staff travel on airlines, it can get very expensive very quickly.
I've learnt the hard way when I have done it that way, I've turned up there and the chief pilot has been away!
Also turned up to places and been offered jobs, but didnt have the correct qualifications for it. Make sure you learn from my mistake!

Sending out CVs to companies before hand most likely wont get you interviews in todays day and age unless you tand out heads and tails above the others. You need to follow it up a few days later with phone calls, talking to people, and offering to travel over to meet the people in charge. It shows that you are keen and willing enough to make a effort to join their ranks.
That makes you stand out above the others.

Nibbo - Its all first hand experience. Along with the experiences of others that I have met along the way.
Your right that south east asia is a big place. And there is a lot of flying to be done there! Travel and Tourism websites can be your friend.
Also look at who gets chartered by the UN or Red Cross in times of disaster. They are usually a well established company with a great safety record :)

But my biggest piece of advice that I can give anyone starting out on their career as a pilot. Be prepared for a lot of this --> :ugh::ugh::ugh:
And a bit of this --> :mad::mad::mad:

[captainabcdefg]

Thank you all for the inputs.

I am wondering is going up North the only option? What sort of operators are down south? Any charter or freight companies in VIC, NSW or SA that look at newly graduated pilots?

Thanks for your time.:)

[NTremotepilot]

My experience when I was looking, was that the only work available in Adelaide was instructing, and the occasional survey work. If your not adverse to instructing, then perhaps look at somewhere like AFTC/FTA who will offer a scholarship in exchange for a bond... My person advice is head north, check out the scenic gigs, its all starting right now, and just be ready to go anywhere or do anything! its all part of the character building!

[captainabcdefg]

I'm just wondering if anyone has some information on Wagga Air Centre and Smartair?

Thanks

[aussie_hawk]

Wagga Air Centre I believe like applicants to have a Chieftain or Cessna 310 endorsement and a bit of experience. But if you want the information give them a call, most company's will happily tell you there requirements.