Failings of JPA

[Equilibrium]

Just been reading an article from the BBC news site about the failings of JPA.

"It is difficult to exaggerate the magnitude of the failure of the Joint Personnel Administration programme," the committee said.

Perhaps a step back in time would help; just basic allowances, no reciept chasing and even more time for the scribblies to do their job instead of auditing 1,000's of claims etc.

May even see morale come back at the same time, you just never know.

Love this quote from the article,

"Personal data held by the £245m Joint Personnel Administration (JPA) programme was incorrect for up to one in 10 military staff, the MPs' report said."

May the battle commence, thoughts anyone. :rolleyes::ugh::rolleyes:

[BEagle]

Full story here: BBC NEWS | UK | MPs condemn MoD over pay errors (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7971575.stm)

[glad rag]

I take it the IRONY of MP's "criticizing" any organization over pay and allowances has been lost to some of you?

[Tiger16]

In the light of recent events concerning the Home Secretary - can we claim for "Adult Films" on JPA? This could involve amounts well into triple figures, in the case of some crewmen I could mention! :ooh:

[Bob Viking]

Sadly due to numerous replies such as:

"Everything's fine, Sir"
"JPA is a wonderful success"
"It's working marvellously, Sir and saving us a fortune"
"Morale. Why Sir, it's never been better"

Our Lords and Masters genuinely believe it's working perfectly and hence we are stuck with it whether we like it or not!

BV:ugh:

[airborne_artist]

Like it or not, the only people who have the position to make comments are MPs' select committees and the National Audit Office. MPs are there to represent the taxpayer and hold the Government to account.

Whether they spend enough time/effort doing that is questionable, but it's only fair to applaud this report, which tells the public what has often been denied by senior officers and ministers.

[passiveobserver]

Fewer than a third - 31% - of service personnel expressed satisfaction with the system at one point, although the MoD said that figure had since risen to 45%.

Well everything is tip top then - I mean how many other projects can boast of a 14% increase in customer satisfaction....:ugh:

[indie cent]

From MOD online:

"In accordance with JSP 3614 today the latest JPA renumeration is released for tri-service adoption.

As of 01 Apr 09 all HM forces pay is going to be retained at the normalised rate. That is: the in-toto payment (including payment, additional specialist pay including flying pay and the naturalised pension abatement).

As such, a deduction of the individual's bank account will be made on the last working day of every month to the effect of the pension deductions and additionally the projected claims for the subsequent period.

The overarching result of this costing initiative will result in vast savings necessary for the underpinning of the Armed Forces in this fiscal period.

All personnel should check their bank accounts carefully in the next few days to ensure the appropriate (8% gross) deductions have been made. Any failure to pay the appropriate deductions is tantamount to fraud and will be pursued accordingly.

To claim the standard Armed Forces Payment Due could not be simpler. Log on to JPA, complete your annual assessment with the 3 preferred postings (Alpahbetically denoted) and enter your sub-set of qualifications.
The Claim Armed Forces Payment Due menu will then be unlocked whereby you should provide a list of countries visited and flown over. Also your time at work and reporting periods (do not include secondary duties). Once completed the section on PAYD, Home to Duty and imprest allowance deductions must be forwarded for approval to your line manager. (Do not forget to include receipts for home expenditure: including meals and heating)

After completion the SPWYIO (Standardise Pay What You Is Owe) will be returned to your account within 31 days."

Please cascade as appropriate.

[Op_Twenty]

Gotta post a link buddy - didn't understand a word of that, it cannot be real, surely...?

[Co-Captain]

Again in English indie cent? :confused:

[BEagle]

W@nkword Alert!!

The overarching result of this costing initiative will result in vast savings necessary for the underpinning of the Armed Forces in this fiscal period.

Nice spoof - almost believable. Just hope that you haven't alarmed too many gullible folks!

[Laarbruch72]

You know, I never had a bad word to say about JPA until recently. Then "It" started charging me food at about £110 per month, 6 months ago now. The RAF still owes me that sum of approx £660. It's still not resolved, thanks to JPA access being "down" at my unit for some time.
I live in a Married Quarter, the same one I've lived in for 5 years, so I asked my clerks how that happened. "Just a mistake by the system" they said. But a system needs inputs, surely, so who inputted the information that I was eligible for food charges? :ugh:

[Pontius Navigator]

Indie cent,

day early surely? Should have been held until tomorrow.

[The Masked Geek]

so who inputted the information that I was eligible for food charges?

The system will record every button press so they will be able to find that out for you.

Wether they actually will is a different matter.

[Grimweasel]

And to think that there were numerous State Level awards for people in charge of the roll-out - I seem to recall Air Cdre David Tonks getting a gong for it??? :mad:

[moosemaster]

I don't think that's the way it works.

I think someone should have told the system you WEREN'T supposed to pay food charges.

Cost saving measures, pay as little as you can get away with and take as much back. Those affected will complain, those who don't notice, well, you know the rest.:bored:

[Wensleydale]

How it works and saves money?

There is no-one to ask when you claim for items. If you claim and you are not entitled than that is fraud. If you don't claim and you are entitled then they save the money. By changing the rules and creating uncertainty about the legality of claims then they save shed loads unless you are willing to risk the fraud charge (or you have hours of time to trawl through the APs etc). Gone are the days of the helpful clerk: "you have not claimed for this... you can't do that" etc.

Bast***s.

[navibrator]

A bit early for an April Fool

[Sentry Agitator]

I've recently been posted within unit. No change to rank but a change to job spec, PUI and a walk some 50 yards across the road to another building.

You would think nothing could go wrong but a big fat chunk of my wage for this month appears to have been 'misplaced'. Its OK though as I should get it next month! You see it was just a minor admin error and a flag wasn't attached to the PUI.

That'll be ok then won't it and I have nothing to worry about? :ugh:

SA

[Equilibrium]

As can be clearly read not one positive vote for a cra*py computer system that helps no one. :(:(

Quick Q: has any 1 who has done OOA actually received a rebate for their Council Tax?

I am awaiting 3 OOA's worth and apparently the system is being updated at present and this allowance will be addressed as soon as pos. :ugh::ugh::ugh:

Let the coup begin. :oh::oh:

[Sideshow Bob]

Equilibrium,
yes I have received my CILOT (quarter council tax) rebates when I have been paid Operational Allowance.
Recently though I received a letter, like a lot of people, that I had been overpaid Op Allowance, i.e. two lots in one day, one for Iraq and one for Afghanistan. Being a tight ar$ed yorkshireman, I decided to check what I had been paid and what I actually needed to pay back, so after a morning going through my log book,pay slips and the rather poor printouts from JPA (several entries for each day), it turns out that they have actually underpaid me by £200. If you've received one of these letters, I'd take the time to check if I was you.

[anita gofradump]

In the beginning was the plan.
And then came the Assumptions.
And the Assumptions were without form.
And the Plan was without substance.
And darkness was upon the face of the ORs.
And they spoke among themselves, saying,
"It is a crock of ****, and it stinketh."
And the ORs went unto their Sgts and said,
"It is a pail of dung, and none may abide the odor thereof."
And the Sgts went unto their OCs, saying,
"It is a container of excrement, and it is very strong,
such that none may abide by it."
And the OCs went unto their Stn Comds, saying,
"It is a vessel of fertilizer, and none may abide its strength."
And the Stn Comds spoke amongst themselves, saying one to another,
"It contains that which aids plant growth, and it is very strong."
And the Stn Comds then went unto the AOCs, saying unto them,
"It promotes growth, and it is very powerful."
And the AOCs went unto the MinAF, saying unto him,
"This new plan will actively promote the growth and vigor
of the company, with powerful effects."
And the MinAF Looked upon the Plan, and saw that it was good.
And the Plan became Policy.
This is how JPA Happens

[November4]

From the sound of it JPA and SAP are almost if not the same thing. With the same problems as well

Does this sound familiar?

Officials in Somerset say that the first stage of a SAP go-live for two councils, a police authority and a fire brigade has had a "high degree of success", though an internal e-mail to staff concedes that there are multiple problems.

The e-mail says that the SAP project team is working "relentlessly day and night to fix all the issues raised via the help desk, so that we can resume normal service as soon as possible".

Apology over SAP
(Council chief's apology after SAP go-live)
At least someone saw sense with this version of JPA and delayed the "go-live" date until the system has been tested a bit more. Mind you left it to the last moment as the "go-live" was meant to 1st June.