New Russian Subs

[ORAC]

Thankfully we will have an adequate ASW force of SSN submarines, frigates and Nimrods to defend the new carriers when these start to enter service. Won't we?

The Independent: Russia deploys new nuclear cruise missiles
Saturday, 28 March

Six new atomic submarines, armed with improved nuclear-tipped cruise missiles, will join the Russian navy. The Defence Ministry said the first, the Severodvinsk, will be launched in 2011 and at least five others of the same type will be built by 2017.

The new hypersonic cruise missiles with increased range are designed to strike "aircraft carriers of the potential enemy if they pose a direct threat to Russia's security," the ministry said. It added that the missiles are also capable of hitting land targets.

Russia has increasingly relied on nuclear weapons to compensate for the decline of its conventional forces. In December, the chief of the Russian general staff, General Nikolai Makarov, said Russia will keep its arsenal of tactical nuclear weapons, which he said were necessary to counter a massive Nato advantage in conventional weapons. Tactical nuclear weapons have a much shorter range compared to strategic nuclear weapons. They are intended for use within a theatre of battle.

Earlier this week, the Russian navy's deputy chief of staff said the role of tactical nuclear weapons in the Russian navy may grow. Vice-Admiral Oleg Burtsev said the increasing range and precision of tactical nuclear weapons makes them an important asset.

[glad rag]

How odd!

Was it not a matter of a "few" years ago when NATO (ie us!) relied on its arsenal of tactical nuclear weapons, to counter a massive Soviet advantage in conventional weapons? :confused:

Usual BS from the bear.

[racedo]

Don't ya mean "NEW TARGETS"

[barnstormer1968]

Although it does sound like a role reversal that it is now the Russians who are relying on nuclear weapons to create an equality, it still seems to be that they can built counters to the west's threats before they are actually deployed.

Anti carrier cruise missiles, before Brit and French carriers are built.

Just like the way they countered: Valkyrie, Commanchie etc etc...Hmmm could there be a link growing here:E

[Old Photo.Fanatic]

My philosophy has aways been remember the Russian bear is a master at "Chess"http://static.pprune.org/images/infopop/icons/icon4.gif

[anita gofradump]

Shame he's not got enough money to afford a new chess set, let alone play with it.

All mouth and no trousers.

[Focks 2]

Shame he's not got enough money to afford a new chess set, let alone play with it.

All mouth and no trousers.

Oh, you misunderstand. This thread is about Russia, not the UK.

[Thelma Viaduct]

Does anyone really give a $hit, seriously?

The first thing we'd know is a bright flash, then ENDEX, job jobbed.

We have no role in the decision making process, so why worry?

Go out and enjoy you life before someone takes it from you with their nuclear tipped sub launched cruise missile.
I can't see the point in worrying about something that's not in your/our control.

Look at the bright side, a nuclear war would probably wipe that smirk from brown's face, so it wouldn't be all bad. :ok::}:}

[akula]

Does anyone really give a $hit, seriously?
Yes

The first thing we'd know is a bright flash, then ENDEX, job jobbed.
Not for those outside the direct target area, they have a long slow painful death from radiation poisoning, places with not much strategic influence, like Blackpool.


We have no role in the decision making process, so why worry?
You have no role in the decision making process.

Go out and enjoy you life before someone takes it from you with their nuclear tipped sub launched cruise missile. I can't see the point in worrying about something that's not in your/our control.
Demonstrating no concern for your own safety borders on insanity.

Look at the bright side, a nuclear war would probably wipe that smirk from brown's face, so it wouldn't be all bad.
Fair point:}:}:}

ALWAYS assume NEVER check

[Rossian]

I remember when Akula was a new Russian sub. Just teasing!
The Ancient Mariner

[Fg Off Max Stout]

Does anyone really give a $hit, seriously?


Err, isn't it the raison d'être of the armed forces to 'give a $hit'?

[anita gofradump]

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Shame he's not got enough money to afford a new chess set, let alone play with it.

All mouth and no trousers.

Oh, you misunderstand. This thread is about Russia, not the UK.
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No. I understand perfectly. The Russians appear pretty broke on the military front.

We aren't so much as broke, just looked after by a PM who was not elected. I suppose that counts as brokEN.

:bored:

[Pontius Navigator]

Was it not a matter of a "few" years ago when NATO (ie us!) relied on its arsenal of tactical nuclear weapons, to counter a massive Soviet advantage in conventional weapons?

Actually, while the Soviets indeed had massive conventional forces they still counted tactical nuclear as just another weapons system. I think one assessment was that they would use tactical nukes to secure their flanks.

As for BS, they would not be the first country to talk up a threat for political or economic ends.

[Squirrel 41]

On a lighter note, Novosti are telling us that the new Russian SSKs are to be called the "Lada Class". (RIA Novosti - Russia - Russian Navy to commission first Lada class diesel sub in 2010 (http://en.rian.ru/russia/20090320/120665371.html)) :D

So at least our Russian friends are capable of offering us a laugh every now and again!

S41

[Green Flash]

Don't know why we are getting all wound up about Ivans rocket boats. If they want to screw up Europe it would be easy - just turn the gas off! The modern day equivalent of giving Berlin a squeeze:ouch:

[ORAC]

Don't know why we are getting all wound up about Ivans rocket boats. If they want to screw up Europe it would be easy - just turn the gas off! The modern day equivalent of giving Berlin a squeeze Music to My Ears (http://streetwiseprofessor.com/?p=1645)

[racedo]

Don't know why we are getting all wound up about Ivans rocket boats. If they want to screw up Europe it would be easy - just turn the gas off! The modern day equivalent of giving Berlin a squeezeLots of LNG capacity coming on stream in next couple of years, some already in place. Think NATO / EU has already started to plan for when Russia gets into a strop and turns off the power big time but planning all been done piece by piece so the jigsaw never looks like being complete.

Pretty easy to ensure enough enough power you just shut industry down EU wide and all of a sudden massive capacity to keep people alive becomes available.

Then it becomes a plan to protect it which is where it could get smokey.

Course Russia realises then when it turns the taps of big time and ratchets up the turn off then it has already lost. EU has only to show it can survive without them for a short while even at a big economic cost to make Russian exports to Europe a thing of history. Expectation is that US reserves start to get shipped pretty quickly across the pond as well as they watching the dominoes.

Russia knows the threat is starting to wear thin and its bluff will get called within 5 years..

I am assumming this scenario is already part of the War Colleges scnario courses.

[Thelma Viaduct]

Yes Really??? That's laughable.

Not for those outside the direct target area, they have a long slow painful death from radiation poisoning, places with not much strategic influence, like Blackpool.Politicians don't care about average Joe now, let alone after the country's been nuked, you're pretty naive. Blackpool may look like it's already been bombed, but I'm sure Warton and Heysham are valid targets, even Fisherman's Friend in Fleetwood come to think of it. Maybe you should purchase a map if you're in the decision making process.

You have no role in the decision making process.And neither does 99.99999999% of the voting public, therefore I couldn't care less. Even if I did care, what could I do about it??? Panic about it, that's about all, Mmmmmmmm thanks.

Demonstrating no concern for your own safety borders on insanity.See above. Why worry about something you have no control over. Do these new subs take away the threat of ICBM's? The people at the top couldn't organise a piss up in a brewery, what makes you think they'll come up trumps in a real shooting war??? This country is tin pot, wake up sweet child o'mine.

ALWAYS assume NEVER checkAre you sure you got them the right way round, just checking.


Is this the next thing on the new world orders agenda after bird flu, wmd's, terrorism etc etc

How about we all just go about our daily lives, get robbed blind by the 'govern'ment, retire then die.
The formula worked well up until recently. :ok:

[The Old Fat One]

PP,

I like your thinking. Nihilistic existentialism is probably ill-suited to most on here though, so stand by for further incoming.

[Thelma Viaduct]

PP,

I like your thinking. Nihilistic existentialism is probably ill-suited to most on here though, so stand by for further incoming.TOFO,

Thanks for the heads up, I appreciate the forum is frequented by the parochial.

I wouldn't personally give it a name, if I did it wouldn't be as long or difficult to spell as Nihilistic existentialism.

I'd sooner call it logical thinking.

Whether you're facing a country with 10 or 10,000 nukes, you're equally as screwed in an all out war. After 10 have landed & gone BANG, I'm sure you're not too anxious about the remaining 9,990.

So why worry about 10,096???

Like I said, let the clowns at the top make their decisions (they will anyway) & just crack on with life. Getting in to a worried state about a future capability is bordering on the pathetic when you look at the context of it all.

The clowns in 'govern'ment rely on our fear, without it they have no purpose.

[racedo]

PP well put
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