Road Angel Adventurer 7000 + Memory Map CAA Charts

[L'aviateur]

I've installed the Memory Map CAA charts onto my mobile phone (Samsung Omnia) and with the built in GPS it is quite a good backup, but not really suitable for flying.
I've seen the Road Angel Adventurer 7000 at 190 pounds which you can upload the CAA memory map charts onto also, it looks very good. Would like to know if anyone is using this, and how good it is?

[dublinpilot]

I know nothing of the device, other than I've heard people moaning about it's road mapping and routeing.

If you want to put memory map onto it (or anything else really) you need to make sure that it runs on the WinCE operating system.

[DBo]

I have a Road Angel 7000. For road use its fine, but not as nice as a Tom Tom or a Garmin. For VFR flying its excellent. I have a moving map that's just like the map on my knee for under £200. Programming a route is simple. It only does "North up" but you can move your location anywhere on the screen and the map will scroll past you, and having a map that looks like a CAA chart is much easier than having a Jeppesen chart. It'll easily do an hours flight on its internal battery or plug into an accessory socket.

The downside is that if you want anything other than a moving map (i.e location and speed) then the information windows are large and cover a lot of map.

Buy the cheapest 7000 you can find and load the Memory Map software from their website. The Adventurer is exactly the same hardware but has the MM software and the OS maps already loaded (which is fine if you want the OS maps - but £50 wasted if you don't.

After seeing mine 3 other guys on the strip went down to Argos and bought one.

Dave

[Justiciar]

I made what in retrospect was a mistake in buying FlyMap with the FlyAngel, which is the renamed and rebadged Road Angel 7000. The hardware is very good and I have used it on the road with no problem. It is very good in the air and I use it flying a Chipmunk with it strapped to my leg: it sits there and is small enough not to interfere with the stick. But .... the UK agent seems to have disappeared from the scene and the German parent company will not commit to when the charts will be further updated, if at all. If Memory Map will load on the 7000 unit than this seems to be the answer to my problem and it seems much cheaper than the £750 for the FlyMap system. Having said all that, updating is arguably less important on something which backs up the paper chart though I do find myself looking at the unit in preference to the chart, which is not exactly manageable in the front of the Chippy.

[bilhar]

4.3 navgo is 80 odd pounds and 3.5 navgo was on offer at wh smith 49 pound both work well with memory maps with a bit of messing about

[Canuck Spin]

I'm very tempted by this option - I see several Road Angel 7000 Navigators on ebay for a reasonable sub-£100 price...the memory map website isn't completely clear though; do they send the CAA 1/2 mil charts on an SD card or on CD for your computer and you transfer to an SD card and then putting it on the Road Angel is quite intuitive?

Many thanks for any advice!

[DBo]

Memory Map send you the charts on a CD which you load onto the SD card. The MM software is pre-loaded on the 7000 adventurer, or you can download it from the MM site & load it on to a lower cost Road Angel 7000. Look in the MM support forums for the Road Angel 7000.

I worked directly with the SD card. The first one I buggered about for an hour or so, but I was playing with the MM software as well. The other 2 or 3 (I loaded up the maps & software for the other guys at my strip) took about 10 minutes each.

Note that if you plug the actual road angel into your computer with a USB lead MM sees it as a "Mobile Device" rather than a "GPS" (differrent menu to find it).

If you buy one and have a snag with it then PM me.

Dave

[Taildra99er]

It has to be a 7000 does it, you can't load the CAA maps on a 6000?

[Justiciar]

It appears that you cannot install any other program onto a FlyAngel as it is locked by Flymap!! I think I may be speaking to the former Uk agents about this as they sold me the product :uhoh:

[dublinpilot]

Is the aviation software on a flyangel installed onto the device itself, or onto an SD card that's plugged into the device?

dp

[Justiciar]

The software in on the SD card. I am told that so is some of the Road Angel software, which means that will not work if you change the card over. I have not yet had an opportunity to play around with the unit to see if this is all correct and if there is a workround or not. I am surprised that the unit can be "locked" and I have managed to copy filies to the SD card; I just cannot install a program from the PC based software.

[dublinpilot]

If you remove the SD card from the unit, do you loose the option to start the FlyMap software?

If so, then something on the SD card starts the software.

Try installing the 30 day free trial of PFMS from the website using the SD card method (not activesync)Home of the PocketFMS Foundation. (http://www.pocketfms.com)

Detailed instructions can be found here. Click here (http://www.pocketfms.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=28&t=4967)

Do this in a blank SD card, not on the one with FlyMap already on it or you may loose your flymap software!

If this works, then your unit is certainly not locked, and you should be able to get other software to run on it.

dp

[DBo]

buy an SD card - they're cheap enough; then load the MM software and some sample maps onto it & see if it works.

I've put a bigger card in my Road Angel so I can fit the road mapping, some OS maps and 2 x airmaps and it ran fine. It may be that the flymap software is locked to the SD card.

Dave

[Justiciar]

Thanks for that advice guys. Since I last posted I have had a very useful email from the Flymap people in Germany. It seems that the up to date CAA half and quarter mil charts are available as well as the Jeppesen ones. The prices for half mil appears to be competative with the Memory Map and pocket FMS - perhaps slightly more than Memory Map. Think I may go for the quarter mil, which are useful for low level VFR, which is what I mainly do now.

[Pedro848]

Hi,

I have had memory map running on a lap top for some time, it works quite well in the cockpit, albeit the screen isn't really bright enough.

I have been trying without success to install the memory map sw on a road angel navigator 7000, I found a download on the road angel site, it installs active sync on my PC and should then download the executables on to the road angel, but the road angel cannot communicate with the PC for some reason - the PC active sync claims an incompatibility issue with the road angel even though the session is shown as "connected"

So if I send one of you kind gentlemen a blank SD card could someone please prep it for me.

much obliged

Pete

[DBo]

Pedro

The MM software sees the road angel as a "Device" rather than a GPS so that can cause trouble. I have always used the card in a card reader rather than connecting the Road Angel directly.

If you email me a list of the files on your SD card I can probably email back to you the missing files to make Road angel work.

I sent you a PM with my Email address on it a couple of days ago.

Dave

[24seven]

is it possible with the Road Angel using Memory Map to log the route that you have flown so that you can do post flight analysis?

if not... does anyone know a cheap way of doing so?

[Molesworth 1]

The June issue of the AOPA mag General Aviation has a good article on using the Navigo V2 and various PDAs.

You get the mag as part of the free AOPA membership if you are a student and (like me) forget to tell them you passed your PPL:E:E:E

[Pedro848]

Apologies Dave,

I just found the PM, unlike many BBs it looks like pprune does not automatically email a user to tell him there is a PM

I will PM you the file details.

I have finally got Activesync working, it looks like my experience with using activesync with .net 4.2 devices is fairly typical, there seems to be some incompatibility which stops the device pairing. The problem remains that I cannot install the MM/Roadangel self extracting archive, as it always attempts to install activesync ( which is broken ), so it looks like the only way I will get it is installed is by cloning a working SD card.

Your help is much appreciated

Pete



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[Jofm5]

I have finally got Activesync working, it looks like my experience with using activesync with .net 4.2 devices is fairly typical, there seems to be some incompatibility which stops the device pairing. The problem remains that I cannot install the MM/Roadangel self extracting archive, as it always attempts to install activesync ( which is broken ), so it looks like the only way I will get it is installed is by cloning a working SD card.


Althought this is more an issue for the computers/internet forum - I will post the reply here..

I have seen this with a few PDA's, Win/CE and mobile phones.

When using active sync to modern mobile devices it usually talks tcp and the windows firewall and any other firewall can block the return from the device. Therefore if you temporarily disable windows firewall and/or any other firewall for the duration of what your trying to do you will usually find that it works without a problem.

Good luck - will now go back to lurking...

[Saab Dastard]

Apologies Dave,

I just found the PM, unlike many BBs it looks like pprune does not automatically email a user to tell him there is a PM

Pete

The forum can send a message to your email address to inform you when someone sends you a private message.

The default in the User CP seems now to be OFF (NO).

I could have sworn that the default used to be ON! :confused:

The setting is in User CP > Settings & Options > Edit Options > Messaging & Notification > Private Messaging > Receive Email Notification of New Private Messages (tick).

HTH

SD

[Pedro848]

Hi Jofm5

I had investigated my PC settings, elsewhere I found a solution to activesync - after starting activesync go into the PC task manager and kill off the rapimg.exe, then syncing works fine.

The problem with the roadangel install is that the self extracting archive from RA installs activesync and then immediately tries to use it to update the device ( before you can fix the issue ) - I would say that the product fails the BSI test

Pete

[Jofm5]

after starting activesync go into the PC task manager and kill off the rapimg.exe, then syncing works fine.



I think you mean rapimgr.exe which is part of activesync. From what I have read this application is what listens on your net connection for any LAN/WIFI devices - if you are connecting over a USB cable you may not need this and this is why killing that process may result in your stuff working. The process is probably hanging on access to your internet resources due to the firewall so you may find lowering your firewalls on your machine may cure the problem and allow the roadangel install to work.

Cheers

[Pedro848]

indeed, the error messages point to firewall issues, so I have it disabled, I also disabled my virus scanner.

next step is to
find my old XP cd and do a virgin install on a spare hard disk or find some kind gentleman who can zip up a copy of a working SD card ...

any help much appreciated

Pete

[gla-lax]

it wasasked but not answered. can a sd card with flymap/flyangel on it be cloned and put into a RA 7000?

[DBo]

it wasasked but not answered. can a sd card with flymap/flyangel on it be cloned and put into a RA 7000?

Sure, just copy all the files from a working RA onto a new card & stick it in.

Dave

Whoops- I thought we were still on Memory map which can be copied like that - I have no idea about Flymap / flyangel

Sorry!
D

[tdbristol]

I saw at AeroExpo that Pioneer Aviation are now the UK agent for Flymap:
Pioneer Aviation UK Ltd (http://www.pioneeraviation.co.uk) / 01873 850 973.
Seems to be a fairly new arrangement as there is nothing [yet] on their website about it.

[gla-lax]

is it a case of copying just the flymap files and folders and not the whole conents of the sd card?

[Hugh_Jarse]

Slightly off-topic, but relevant ...

Buy an HP 4700 PDA (there's one on EBAY right now for £90) : a tiny bluetooth GPS (e.g. EMTAC TRINE, £40) : and an extended battery for the PDA (£10).

You get a superb 4", outdoor-viewable screen, and the combination above will give you about 7 hours (yes, really) of usable time running Memory Map CAA VFR charts. It works beautifully - I've been using this combination for about 4 years with absolutely zero problems.

You can also run Tom Tom, Oziexplorer, Pocket FMS and a whole load of other stuff as well ....

[Pedro848]

After a lot of fiddling and faffing, I finally got MM working on my Road Angel and used it today to fly from Cambridge to Popham.

I have a KR2 with a lot of perspex, so I was unsure how easy it would be to see under strong sunlight. Without a shade I found it was usable but only just. Using my hand for shade, it was fine. Next step is to make a black plastic visor.

On the way back I went anticlockwise around the London TMA, pretty well following the M25. Tracking north from the Thames bridge towards Stapleford, I had a wee problem, the Road Angel screen went red and informed me that there was a speed trap ahead. I didn't alter my speed, so now I am waiting for my ticket from Essex Constabulary :)

Pete

[gla-lax]

re MM on the RA is it not a case of just using the button in MM on the pc to set up the RA then just export each chart to the RA!!!!!

or is there some convoluted way?

[DBo]

It's not quite as simple as exporting the map - there's a MM programme that you need to load onto the Road Angel for it to work the maps.

If you have a road angel "adventurer" then the MM is already installed so downloading the map works fine.

The other little wrinkle is that the MM PC software doesn't see the road angel as a GPS - it's a "Device" so you have to find it on different menu option.

Dave

[gla-lax]

dbo, i have mm on the pc and have easily and successfully put it on pda's and a phone running windows mobile/ce.


what i want to know is would flymap run by just copying it to the RA card or does it need a key to activate it? has anyone heard of a flymap keygen or a crack for it?

i put RA on my phone, just copied the program and pasted it in works fine on win mobile, the flymap wants a key?

so the question is if i took the card out the flyangel and placed it in a RA 7000 would both run (RA will, i'm sure) or would flymap need a key??

i have bought a RA and will try and put Flymap on it by the copy and paste method. i'm sure if i'm successful you guys would be interested?????

[gla-lax]

update....

got hold of a RA 7000. swapped cards with the flyangel. RA works fine but not flymap as it wants key.

so any of you clever guys out there good with keygens or makin a crack???

[dublinpilot]

Why not contact FlyMap and ask for their help?

[dublinpilot]

Well presumably you have a legit copy of Flymap, and you're not actually asking for people who paid for their copy to give it to you free.

On the assumption that you paid for your copy of FlyMap, and that you paid for your RoadAngel, I don't see why FlyMap would not be willing to help you. They know how to make it work, since they already sell a RoadAngel. You've gone the expensive way of buying both pieces of equipment seperately.

Why wouldn't they want to help?

Those of us at PocketFMS are constantly helping people to get PFMS to work on other hardware.

[wulf190a]

DBo

You have a PM



wulf190a

[wulf190a]

DBo

Sorry mate you have another PM


wulf