Hi everybody.

Do you guys know anybody who can give me Circuit (base) training (6 landings) in GV, G350, G450 or G550?

This is my 4th type on my FAA licence, but the first one on my JAA one.

Is it possible to do it in the N reg airplane?

Many thanks in advance!!

gulfstreamdriver aat webdotde

MMmmm, do you have 10,000 EUr in cash ?:D

Hi,

Had the same problem after my F900 type...

NO, you can't do it in a N-Reg aircraft, mostly because the JAA-TRI or TRE that you require cannot perform his training role in an N-reg, even if he is also a FAA instructor.

The obstacle in these things is most often the airplane owner, who does not fancy having his toy used as a training tool for "outside" pilots. Try contacting G5 Executive in Zurich, they can dispose of their planes as they see fit, and with the recent downturn in charter, might be happy to provide an airplane.

If you can't find a TRI/TRE, then send me a PM, I have a few names on file.

As the previous poster said, neither the plane nor the instructor will be cheap... Plane and instructor will actually run you around 10'000 Euros, IF you can do the landings where the aircraft is based..

FlyMD

CAA have been known to give a waiver to non-JAA rated TRE to do the training on foreign registered aircraft... for a small fee.
It was based on experience level of TRE etc.
You can ask.

Cheers

G-V. Check your PM's.

Thanks Fly, Kent and Kelly.

Anyone else?

If you're not in a hurry, and flying an N-reg one on your FAA licence, then just send your log book in after you've done the requisite number of landings on type. The only reason for needing a TRI to do the landings when it's JAA reg is because you haven't got a valid type rating on it yet. Chicken and egg etc.

Even if you have flown the plane on the N reg you will need a valid JAA LPC within the last six months to get it on your JAA licence and also a certificate of a TRTO course completion for the JAA. You used to be able to get a JAA rating from an FAA rating without Course Completion if you had 500 hours on type. Either way you need an LPC within last six months

ATP

Thanks guys.

Does it mean that I have 6 month to complete those 6 landings before my JAA type rating course will expire? I thought it was 1 month only.

Hi GV
It used to be a six months envelope to complete the flight training from completion of the ground school, but in your case I am not sure. I have not heard the one month limit anywhere and am trying to find the answer !

ATP

Thanks Jo!

I was under the impression that it was 6 months but then I checked AMC FCL 1.261 (C) and found this.

14. The Head of Training, or a nominated representative, is required to certify that all training has
been carried out before an applicant undertakes a skill test for the type rating to be included in the pilot’s
licence. It is not uncommon for an approved TRTO to be unable to provide, or have direct supervision over
any training that is required to be carried out on an aeroplane conducted by a third party such as the
operator. In such cases, and with the agreement of the approving Authority, a TRTO Course Completion
Certificate may be issued confirming completion of ground and STD flight training. Confirmation of the
completion of aeroplane training should then be provided by the organisation undertaking this training, as a
requirement for issue of the type rating. The period of time between any two phases of training should not
exceed 60 days otherwise refresher training at the discretion of the Authority will be required.


So 60 days then?

bjb

Well you learn something new everyday - Thanks
ATP

Thanks guys.

I just checked with Austro control (my CAA) and they told me that I have 3 months to complete cuircits.

Still looking for base training.

Still looking for circuits.

Would you be available for work too? Add out for G450 captains in Middle East...Maybe they would be interested/interesting?

CP

Kind of related so I thought I would jump on the thread...

I may have a job lined up outside of the US but on an N registered GV.

I dont have an FAA ticket, though do have three ICAO ATPLs and about 5,000hrs jet.

Can anyone offer suggestions on where to look for a rating? I did a search here and found a few older posts.

Any info appreciated.

Thanks.

So unless you have over 500 on G450 then forget them.

This is not 500 on G5 or 500 on G550, but 500 on G450.

Sorry to be negative.

glf

'Can vouch for that. 500 hours minimum, (pref 1500 on G450!) Nothing else will do! And the deal is bad too! I hear no per diems whilst at base and no salary at all during your time off! What are these guys on?

Was the position with Elite Jets?

CP

The job is bad. I talked to them too. They are looking for a desperate people only.

Still looking for circuits.

Have lost the management of the original G450, but have gained a new management contract for another G450.

The new G450 is not based in UAE, but is UAE registered.

Dont think they have anyone who can do the required training, except for UAE licence activation.

Have you tried Dana Jets in Ras al Khaimah they have a G5.

glf

Thanks, will send them an Email.

Still looking for circuits.

Do you need it in the aircraft? If a level d sim will do try FSI at farnborough

only if he has enough experience in similay types does the requirement for TO and Landing not required.

Also JAA I think require this anyway.

windy

Appendix 1 to JAR-FCL 1.261(c)(2)
Approval of Aeroplane Zero Flight Time Type Rating [ ]Courses
[1 GENERAL
(a) Approval for ZFTT will only be given to a Training Organisation of an JAR-OPS 1 operator or a Training Organisation having a specific approved arrangement with a JAR-OPS 1 operator.
(b) The training organisation shall ensure that the student pre-requisites are met before starting the Type Rating Course.
(c) The Type Rating will be restricted to that Operator until flying under supervision has been accomplished.]
[ ][2] APPROVAL OF [ ][TYPE RATING COURSE USING ZFTT] [ ]
(a) The flight simulator to be used shall be qualified in accordance with JAR–STD and user
approved [for ZFTT] by the Authority. User approval will only be given if the flight simulator is representative of the aeroplane flown by the operator.
(b) [ ][The flight simulator approved for ZFTT shall be serviceable according to the quality system criteria of the STD operator (see AMC STD 1A.025). Some equipment may be unserviceable provided that it is not required during the simulator lesson. The motion and the visual shall br fully serviceable.]
(c) [ ][Unless specified otherwise, a specific simulator session including a minimum of] six [additional] take-offs and landings [included in the type rating course] shall be conducted [according to JAR-OPS 1.945(d)(2)][ ].
(d) For an initial approval to conduct ZFTT [ ][the] operator shall have held a JAR–OPS Air Operator's Certificate for [ ][at least] one year. [This period may be reduced at the discretion of the Authority where the operator and the TRTO have experience of type rating training.]
(e) Approval for ZFTT [ ] shall only be given if the operator has [ ][at least] 90 days operational experience of [ ][the] aeroplane type. [In the case of ZFTT provided by a training organisation having a specific approved arrangement with a JAR-OPS 1 Operator, the 90 days operational experience
requirements will not apply if the TRI (A) involved in the additional take-offs and landings requirement in JAR-OPS 1.945 (d)(2), has operational experience acceptable to the Authority on the aeroplance type.]
(f) [ ][The check required in JAR-OPS 1.965(b) may be combined with the type rating skill test.
When this is not, a conversion course shall be conducted and a check completed according to JAR-OPS
1.945 before the specific simulator session.]
[ ][3] REQUIRED PILOT EXPERIENCE
[ ][A pilot undertaking ZFTT course shall have completed, on a multi-pilot turbo-jet transport category aeroplane or on a multi-pilot turbo-prop aeroplane having a MTOM of not less than 10 tonnes or an approved passenger seating configuration of more than 19 passengers, at least:]
(a) [ ][1500 hours flight time or 250 route sectors if a flight simulator qualified to level CG, C or
interim C is used duering the course; or]
(b) [ ][500 hours flight time or 100 route sectors if a flight simulator qualified to level DG, Interim D
or D is used during the course.]
[When a pilot is changing from a turbo-prop to a turbo-jet aeroplane or from a turbo-jet to a turbo-prop
aeroplane, additional simulator training approved by the Authority shall be required.]
[ ]

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As usual, gets all the data together for us all.

Thanks.

glf

Still looking.