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Michael Yon: Iraq's New Dawn - Victory Across the Board. (http://www.nypost.com/seven/11242008/postopinion/opedcolumnists/iraqs_new_dawn_140418.htm)
Seldomfitforpurpose
24th Nov 2008, 15:30
Baghdad bomb attacks kill 19 - Yahoo! News UK (http://uk.news.yahoo.com/22/20081124/tpl-uk-iraq-violence-aa3debf.html)
Perhaps it's just me but the two stories don't really tally............:(
El Grifo
24th Nov 2008, 16:44
Another "False Dawn" one would imagine.
Great if believable, just not believable that's all :bored:
cockanelli
24th Nov 2008, 16:47
Read Fiasco by Thomas E. Ricks. Its scary how we got where we are!!
Melchett01
24th Nov 2008, 19:37
Literally just started reading it - it seems to be like watching a car crash - you know you shouldn't but you just can't help yourself.
And if this is victory across the board, I'd hate to see what a defeat looks like!
Wiley
24th Nov 2008, 21:30
For those not familiar with 'The New York Post', (the news(!)paper that featured the 'new dawn' article, it's a Rupert tabloid rag, a cross between Fox television news and 'The Sun', (but with a considerably lower standard of page 3 girl).
I too can highly recommend 'Fiasco'. Slow motion train wreck is a very good description of the events of those first few years of GW2. I can remember saying at the time: "It's like Vietnam all over again: I bet the poor bastards incountry with mud on their boots are telling the idiots running this disaster what needs to be done, and just like Vietnam, they're being ignored by people who've never worn a uniform." (For Vietnam's version of 'Fiasco', see 'The (or was 'A'?) Bright and Shining Lie'.)
El Grifo
24th Nov 2008, 22:12
You are a smart guy ORAC , but you were kidding us, right ??
West Coast
24th Nov 2008, 23:40
The country is past the tipping point, headed in the right direction.
Many things could have and should have been done differently, that doesn't diminish the gallantry and sacrifices of many.
The finish line isn't in sight quite yet, but the direction to it is.
Brian Abraham
25th Nov 2008, 02:22
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/07/25/books/25kaku.html
Love the quotean end-of-tour report by a colonel assigned to the Coalition Provisional Authority memorably summarized his office’s work as “pasting feathers together, hoping for a duck.”
You are a smart guy ORAC , but you were kidding us, right ?? I have the utmost respect for Michael Yon. Those of you who know his website will know he has been reporting, embedded, on the ground in Iraq for many years.
Nothwithstanding the occasional atrocity still taking place, if he says that the Iraqi forces are now up and running well and that the war, as such, is over, I am inclined to believe him as an informed and impartial source.
Vox Populi
25th Nov 2008, 13:03
http://www.nypost.com/seven/11242008/photos/op0c.jpg
I love the new Iraqi uniform.