virgin flight 'ruby tuesday' on the 15th sept

[80P]

Does anybody know what happened on 'Ruby Tuesday' Flight VS15 on the 15th September? The flight made an emergency landing in LGW. The passengers were delayed 8 hours without explanation.
Any help?

[Blighty Pilot]

Nope and don't care to be honest. Must have been a text book procedure and landing :D otherwise the local hospital/morgue would have been full.

[Skipness One Echo]

Typically arrogant and high handed reply. How dare us non pilots ask a a question of why a flight HAD to return to the departure airfield.

I'm sorry Virgin were apparently not too helpful in letting people know what the issue was. Most of the time these events are minor defects handled professionally by well trained people and there is no real danger at all. As for the ability of some of these firms to communicate to the people that pay their wages, that is sadly lacking much of the time alas.

Have a look in the discussion forum on V-Flyer Forums : V-Flyer: The Virgin Atlantic Flyer Resource (http://www.v-flyer.com/forum/)
The answer may be there.

[p7lot]

We had to return to lgw after flaps failed to retract after TO

[Rainboe]

So it wasn't an 'emergency landing' in any way, shape or form? Just a RTB with a flap defect? Shall we change our post then?

[p7lot]

We had a 451 pax compliment and 18 crew aboard, so skipper decide a fuel dump and rtb was prudent.
Landed with flaps 20.
Replacement G-VLIP was responsible for ongoing to Orlando.
Delay was around 6 hours total.
All in a days work Rainboe.:)

[80P]

thanks to those who gave a sensible reply, best regards

[Final 3 Greens]

Rainboe

Why don't you cut the pax some slack?

An airborne return with stuck flap is not normal, calling it an emergency event (in a non hysterical way) on the SLF forum is quite reasonable in my opinion, if it is incorrect terminology - abnormal would be more accurate.

I work in a profession with lots of jargon - I don't put down my clients when they get it wrong - do you feel big by doing that here?

[Newforest2]

Toxic by name, caustic by reputation!

[PaperTiger]

If the equipment was mobilized, and the pax saw fire engines etc. having returned shortly after departure, I wouldn't castigate any for charaterizing it as an 'emergency' landing.

No, there was no M-word and probably no P-words either. Bet there was some paperwork to do though.

80P, ask away and ignore the raspberries from the cheap seats.

[anartificialhorizon]

Rainboe !

Just because you are an "expert" in this field does not mean you have to castigate all those that fall below your dizzy heights of knowledge...

Don't you think that all professionals, when reading the papers or watching the news, tut when a story breaks in their own field. We (or most of us) are not financial experts but are swallowing all this credit crunch news day after day. I bet the financial experts sit there laughing, saying to themselves what on earth are they talking about....blah blah blah....

Same with doctors, lawyers etc etc....

80P is probably an expert in his own field and could quite easily sit back and guffaw as you tried to understand his field..... Cut people some slack will you.

No wonder we get ourselves a reputation as being aloof, pompous primadonnas etc etc....!

[clareprop]

(Fade up)

It's a dark and stormy night and Captain Rainboe is wrestling with the stick. Suddenly, there is a loud crack...:

Capt. Rainboe to London Approach:

"Ah, London, we appear to have a slight problem here".

LA: "Roger, what is your problem?"

CR: "Not sure, but we may have lost half of the starboard wing"

LA: Umm..are you declaring an emergency?

CR: "Don't be stupid man, of course I'm not declaring an emergency. I've trained for this eventuality all my life and I'm going to bring this baby home!"

LA: Ahh, what is your current heading?

CR: "180...no...270...no..360..wait..oh I don't know, sort of round and round a bit"

LA: "Are you sure you don't want to delare an emergency?"

CR: "Look, I've just told you this is a minor problem which I, Captain Rainboe, master pilot, forum-meister extraordinaire and aviation superstar can deal with in......(interupted in mid-flow)

(A voice shouts) "Raaaaaiiiinnnboe, Raiiiiiiinnnboe, come downstairs at once! Your tea is getting cold and you've spent more than enough time on that silly computer today."

Rainboe: "Ohhhh, Mu-UM!

Mum: "Enough, right down now and let's have no more griping from you my boy or your father will hear about it"

Rainboe: "(Mutters) Oh poo..." (Goes downstairs)

Mum: "There you are now love, just you sit down and eat your tea and.."(stops in mid-sentence) "RAINBOE! Why is the fly open on your shorts? What HAVE you been doing on that computer?

Rainboe: " Oh, Mu-UM..."

(Fade to black)

[forget]

Rainboe, It's as bad as the ones who come here spelling 'hanger'! :eek:

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b270/cumpas/hanger.jpg

[shobakker]

A bit of a toys out of the cot moment there Rainboe...:)

Think you need to take a deep breath, sit down and have a nice cup of tea!

[Will Hung]

Clareprop, you seem to be intimating that our dear friend Rainboe is nothing but a young MS Flightsimmer. I would suggest you read a few of his / her / its' more technical posts, and you will deduce that the profile is 100% correct.

I have , however, never understood why professionals in aviation become so twisted with hate about journalists, and their lack of technical knowledge. When reporting things about my industry, journalists frequently refer to mortar or concrete as cement, coated stone as tarmac, blocks as breeze blocks, any steel as an RSJ, all excavators are JCBs' etc. etc. We tend to find this amusing, and don't become incandescent with rage.

Anyway, please leave Rainboe alone. Last time lots of people ganged-up on him / her / it, Rainboe went into hibernation and wasn't heard of for a long time, and needed a lot of prizing out.

Keep smiling people !!

[AMEandPPL]

you will deduce that the profile is 100% correct

Actually, as of today, the profile referred to only indicates location in Hampshire. Nothing at all about age or occupation. I guess the large number of technically erudite postings takes care of those.

We tend to find this amusing, and don't become incandescent with rage

Can totally agree with that too. The way medical matters are reported in press and media often leaves us either amused . . . . or bemused !

[clareprop]

Will-Hung,

Clareprop, you seem to be intimating that our dear friend Rainboe is nothing but a young MS Flightsimmer.

Maybe just sometimes behaving like one is a more appropriate statement.

Some of Rainboe's posts are unnecessarily rude and offensive. He got something back today and obviously didn't like it. Perhaps he'll learn that other people view some of his posts to them in the same way.

[amanoffewwords]

Add him to your ignore list..problem solved.:ok:

[PaperTiger]

Some of Rainboe's posts are unnecessarily rude and offensive. He got something back today and obviously didn't like it. Perhaps he'll learn...:hmm:

The unwritten agenda is for only Professional Pilots being allowed to post. So instead of a civil "no that wasn't an emergency" reply and explanation to a (gasp) non-God, we get a rehash of a hundred previous diatribes.

'Twas ever thus.

[PaperTiger]

...hysterical headline grabbing nonsense...

...such nonsense as that masquerading as a sensible report.

...short sighted people who think it OK to allow any minor technical defect to be labelled 'emergency landing'...

Nowhere in this thread have I been rude or disrespectful to anybody.Some calm reflection in order, might I humbly suggest ?

[strake]

..... It's rather embarrassing that outsiders come and see this stupidity from non-professional pilots bringing the IQ of this whole forum down! It's Pprune it reflects badly on, not me, but if the Mods want to leave this to show what idiots reside here, then that's their decision!.... Myself- I'd remove this juvenile rubbish!

Rainboe... I think all you need to is press edit on your post and it's gone.

Or have I misunderstood you? :eek:

Actually, what I logged on to say, in an attempt to bring this thread back on track, was that tomorrow I am on "Miss Kitty" to Tokyo and looking forward to it. Not very interesting I know but it all just seemed to be getting a bit heated....:ok:

[Rainboe]

I'm not at all 'heated'. I'm trying to maintain common sense! The point is: to remind us, how can we get journalists to report on the industry in a sensible and intelligent fashion if we allow incidents such as a simple return to base with flap problem become 'emergency landing'? It demeans the whole industry and who is to blame journalists then for writing minor defects up in papers as 'emergencies' and 'close shaves' if that is what they see here? I suggested perfectly nicely and sensibly that the post was amended, and stirred up a hysterical hornets nest of prima donnas who, incidently, appear to have a 'history' with me! You can find it there. Axes to grind. Sad people wandering the lanes of the internet highway with grudges!

Is Virgin happy for people to go around saying Virgin had 'an emergency landing'? For a minor defect of zero risk?

[strake]

Rainboe,
Come on mate, you're starting to become a caricature of yourself. You appear to have a lot of good tech information but you ruin your position by taking an aggressive stance with people which they don't like. You don't need to be the "conscience of the forum", let people stand or fall on their own.
But if you insist on giving, then be prepared to get:)

[John R]

Rainboe, is this how you behave on the flight deck? Which airline do you fly for, because I'm not sure you're cool-headed enough to be my commander.

I'm fairly sure the journalists who visit this site are capable of discerning what is tosh and what makes sense - it's fairly obvious from postings. It's actually rather patronising to suggest otherwise.

What is certain is that a professional B757 pilot losing his rag on a public Internet forum definitely does undermine the standing of the profession.

[strake]

Poor man.

Anyway, I'm off to SLF with Virgin Atlantic which is, I think, where this thread sort of started. At the moment, VS have gone all "James Bond" because of their involvement with Quantum of Solace. So, I shall raise my "Vesper" to you all.

Cheer-ho.

[clareprop]

This thread reads a bit strangely now as it would appear that a certain aggressive writer has quietly deleted some of his/her/it's rather more worrying posts and gone to lick his/her/it's wounds.
So, peace has once more been restored.

[TightSlot]

Oh Good!
:D