Nimrod sim info request!

[gearupflapsupshutup]

Hi People,

Friends of me are about to restore a Nimrod-sim in the Netherlands (on a voluntary basis for the National Aviation Museum, that’s the idea). This machine does require loads of TLC, but it doesn’t come with any specific documentation not even any operational checklists.
I haven’t been able to gather more info also I haven’t seen this sim myself yet, it is just communication from the UK to there… we are in the early stages.

Can anyone of you help me with this?

There is a picture of this al is in the link below,

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Thanks,

GUFUSU

[Pontius Navigator]

I don't believe you have a Sim at all. What you appear to have is a mobile touring recruiting model. It is set out at the right scale of the real thing but it is almost like those dinky little plastic TVs and computers you get in MFI or show houses.

For a time I had the dubious privilege of being in the Mk 1 model on a film clip that I didn't even know had been taken.

[Safety_Helmut]

It's got carpet on the floor, not a scrap of floor tape in sight !

S_H

[gearupflapsupshutup]

not a sim! LOL.... let me contact some people over there this weekend... I'll better check with them before they get into something.
but still the request for any info stands:ok:... Just in case!

thanks so far

[spheroid]

Id have to concur.... its not an FMS (Full Mission Simulator) ,...there is no motion or visuals..... It could be a procedural trainer but it is unusual to produce a procedural trainer that would suffice for all the crew postions in a single unit....It def looks like some sort of schools / Public presentation module.... But its not a Sim....

[Not Long Here]

As Pontius said, it is not a sim - it is a plastic replica that was used purely at town shows etc.

[enginesuck]

Whatever it is you have got we need the spares...........

[Charlie Luncher]

Charlie gets called to AE ldr "would you like a week off the SQN? Need someone to man the tube at Nottingham town show". Yours truly does the sums of women to men ratio of ISK vs Notts - sure says Charlie.
Lefty Labour council does not want our steely eyed warrior on show in town square - bugger. The stunning f**k wits at recruiting then decide to relocate show to a bloody tram museum cue 8 yr old brats and worst spotters a man could ever meet:ugh: thus out of boredom it became the RAF's submarine to hunt russians for my amusement.
If I ever have to listen to that video of the pretty 206 SQN crew with the scouse undertones I'll do meself in. When we took it to Liverpool they tried nicking everthing cue ferry cross the mersey every 10 mins:suspect:
Charlie sends

[OilCan]

GUFUSU

Concur...not a trainer of any sort... defo plastic recruiting model.

[FE Hoppy]

Ha Ha! I had the odious task of spending a week in london with that thing as punishment for calling p2 a C*nt. It's as people have said a recruitment tool. and not a very convincing one.

[Pontius Navigator]

Ha Ha! I had the odious task of spending a week in london with that thing as punishment for calling p2 a C*nt. It's as people have said a recruitment tool. and not a very convincing one.

Actually my Sister in Law was very taken with it when it was in its Mk 1 guise. She particularly like the tall slim navigator in the film:






Well, it was a long time ago and one can dream. Now they would need a wide angle lens. :(

[circle kay]

Charlie, a couple of years ago I had the pleasure to ‘help’ out a town show on ‘Slab Square’ in Nottingham and yes it was as good a time as you’d imagine.

Only down side was the trailer dressed up to be a C130J was not very convincing.

I asked one of the guys who worked for Babcocks (I think) that set up the town shows what had happened to the old Nimrod mock-up; he told me it had been sold off and he was quite disappointed to see it go even though it was a sod to set up and required a very level site (reducing its utility).

He beleved it was an old Comet airframe that had quite a history and that the Queen Mother had become the first member of the royal family to fly in a jet powered aircraft in it.

[Jetex Jim]

My recollection of the actual Nimrod Mk 1 simulator, which I saw at Kinloss in 1971 was a flight deck on three axis motion, made I think, by GPS of Aylsbury, (subsequently Redifon). It had a model board visual with a servo controlled colour camera. The airfield model was of St Mawgan, and there was also a sea model with one or two the ships in the central area.

There was a seperate aft section for the mission kit, which oddly enough was also on a simple motion system. I think this bit was made by Ferranti.

I think both bits could be linked together for a joint mission.

I can't remember if these sims were analogue or digital, although in that era possibly a bit of both.

[Sideshow Bob]

Only down side was the trailer dressed up to be a C130J was not very convincing
3 of us from Cranwell got sent to Cosford in 1998 , for a school recruiting day, to man the C130J trailer. The only problem was we were all AEng's!!!:confused:
Just checked the big book of all things Comet by Martin Painter, the trailer was originally Comet Mk1 frame number 06009 (BOAC G-ALYW). It transported the Queen Mother and Princess Margaret to Sailisbury, Rhodesia (Harare, Zimbabwe) on 30 Jun 53.
It is the oldest known surviving Comet section.

[davejb]

Been a while now, but -
FMS, full motion sim for the flight deck, dunno about visuals but the 'video camera tracking above model of St Mawgan with dead fly on runway' probably went the way of all thin gs some time back.... MCT for the back end, no motion, fed by computer consoles manned by MCT staff providing sensor data and comms inputs. All recorded by CTS for replay of course.

Although possible to link the FMS and MCT (as I recall) it was more common for the front end to be manned in the MCT cut down version where you just twiddled the odd knob to change height, speed and direction...ie no stick twanging and calling each other Goose.

The biggest advantage to the MCT over the FMS would be, I would suggest, either the pilot's ability to handle the MCT in their sleep (I once 'piloted' a sim ride, the reason escapes me now but the powers that be decided I was up to the onerous task) or the ease of getting in and out of the sim - so whoever was making the teas and coffees could get in and out easily. (My money is on the second reason).

Did a few days at Earl's Court or somewhere like that on the recruiting model, 3 days or so at a Scout/Guide jamboree - something like 10,000 teenagers (scouting had moved on from my day - they had a beer tent and MTV piped in). My fellow 'crew' and I were most upset to discover that the Swedish ladies netball team wasn't a real Scouting outfit as OCA had promised. I still remember going doolally as some damned video kicked in every 10 minutes to describe the supposed job 'every day....'

I think Rog Kutassy was in it....I did recognise a few faces but it was a long time ago (cue Star Wars music)....in a galaxy far far away....

I enjoyed it frankly - on rates in a hotel, on the mock up about an hour a day 'cos nobody was interested in it, and nobody woke me up to tell me to go flying unexpectedly.

Dave

[The Gorilla]

Oh wow, I have many hundreds of hours on that!! Assuming it IS the one that used to do town shows in the days when we had a real airforce!! 3 years at Finners and Cranners as an instructor manipulating the town show programme with Jez Bell and a few others, God rest him. Sunderland, Southend, Yorkshire Show and Crich Museum to name but 3!!

As FE Hoppy says it wasn't very convincing, but just like my present job the punters only filled the hours between parties!!

:ok:

[Ray Dahvectac]

FMS was full Mission, rather than full Motion, Simulator IIRC. Though it was probably better at the motion than the mission - I cannot recall ever completing a full 5 hours FMS slot, but when you have the computers controlling the two parts made by two different companies back in the 70's ... :rolleyes:

And the back end did have motion - of a sort - although I think the only time it ever got used was on the OCU. It was more of a jolt than anything else, but was enough to slop the coffee around (and of course it always jolted just as the 4th Dry appeared at the back door with a tray of coffees).

There used to be a knack to hanging the 11-point dividers on the call light at the Jez 1 position (yes, MR1 days) - if you got it to short out correctly (it was also some sort of direct line intercom to the console staff) the whole thing crashed and everyone trooped off to the crewroom for half an hour while they reprogrammed it. :E

[Pontius Navigator]

DaveJb, you forget, or maybe it went tits up, but the MCT indeed had motion. Not your full blooded up, down, heave sort but turbulence that could be switched on and off by the sim staff. Some used to switch on the vibs when things were going wrong and off when you did the right thing :)

Ah, the swift exit for tea and stickies. Flight rations in the sim as it was a 6 hr mission, yuk, and no chance of breaking for meals.

[stbd beam]

Wasn't the voiceover done by Dave 'nocker' Knowles ....

[davejb]

Actually I can't recall ever having the back end sim move - so if it did, then it was remarkably lacking in impact! I guess nobody ever bothered when I was in - the closest I remember to any sort of physical effect was when the sim staff wanted to simulate some sort orf damage.... there'd be a bang, which I always assumed was just the guy closest giving the outside a whack with the flat of their hand -

- maybe that was the awe inspiring movement others are on about!

(FMS - mission, yes, I was making the point that it moved though...as in FMS was a full motion sim - or as full as it needed to be for a Nimrod anyhoo - hence not capitalised ie "FMS -Full Mission Simulator", sorry if my shortcut was a bit too short for clarity! As for the MCT, manky cluttered tube....:})

[circle kay]

Just took another look at the pictures of the tac area on the link at the top. Has it got mock-ups of the 2 panels above the Tac Nav’s display that always used to get painted over in unclass pictures?

[Pontius Navigator]

Circle Kay, I think the answer to your swc3 question is yes.

[Radley]

Knocker Knowles whatever happened to him

[PFMG]

Knocker (or Knacker depending on how well you knew him) retired as a Wg Cdr from EW Ops Wg at AWC about 4 years ago.

Don't know for sure but he might have gone into EW consultancy with MASS or Systematic as did Wynne Davies and a few others.