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starshift10
5th Sep 2008, 08:04
I'm researching the crash of a BOAC Stratocruiser ~ G-ALSA ~ 25-12-1954 at Prestwick Airport. Does anyone have any information about this incident?
Thank's in anticipation.

mustpost
5th Sep 2008, 08:20
You'll have seen all these?
The National Archives | The Catalogue | Browse (http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/catalogue/browser.asp?CATLN=3&CATID=1690&POSCATLN=6&POSCATID=83000&j=1)

also recently published

BOAC Boeing Stratocruiser G-ALSA
“Cathay”. P. Berry. Published by the author, 11
Savoy Court, Racecourse Road, Ayr KA7 2XP,
UK. 2002. 15pp. Illustrated.
A concise review of the Boeing Statocruiser’s
safety record, focusing on one particular fatal
accident which occurred at Prestwick on
Christmas Day 1954.

starshift10
5th Sep 2008, 08:36
Mustpost
Many thanks for such a quick response, information sources most helpful.:ok:

Fokkerwokker
5th Sep 2008, 08:46
Plenty on Google

Warmtoast
5th Sep 2008, 16:43
Starshift10

The Times Digital Archive has a number of mentions of this accident from the initial report shown here on 28th December 1954 to others about the attempted recovery of a shipment of diamonds worth around £1,000,000 that were scattered over the crash site.


http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r231/thawes/Times28Dec1954.jpg

starshift10
5th Sep 2008, 20:06
Warmtoast
Thank's for cutting relating to my research.Apparently it was reported that all but 10% of the shipment of diamonds were recovered.

MReyn24050
5th Sep 2008, 21:48
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c67/sabamel/195520-2000272copy.jpg

Warmtoast
5th Sep 2008, 23:40
it was reported that all but 10% of the shipment of diamonds were recovered.

...which leaves £100,000 worth of diamonds at 1954 prices possibly still around the crash site. They must be worth a quite a few bob in today's money. Rich pickngs for the treasure hunters should they are ever allowed on the airfield.
(Thinks - as the hardest substance kown to man, can diamonds ever be destroyed by fire?)

twochai
6th Sep 2008, 03:02
The reports in both The Times and Flight are excellent examples of disaster reporting, brief and to the point, unembellished by the poorly informed speculation of the kind we often read today.

maumal
20th Nov 2008, 17:51
Dear Sir,
My father, Capt. William L. Stewart was the pilot of that flight. I remember the incident clearly even though I was six at the time. It was a great tragedy for all involved.
I am in the process of writing a screenplay and the events of that morning are a cornerstone to the lens through which I am writing.
My name is Malcolm Stewart and I am presently in Vancouver, Canada.
I would be happy to share with you any information as I am hoping you can as well.
Sincerely,
Malcolm Stewart
778-863-7704
email
[email protected]
my profession:

Malcolm Stewart (I) (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0829121/)

411A
22nd Nov 2008, 08:26
It would be interesting to know if one of the engines had failed during the approach and the specific propellor could (or would) not feather.

Having flown this old type for a short while, it absolutely does not do well with a windmilling (or runaway) prop.

From personal expereince, long ago, during flight test for specific type mods...very nearly went into the drink, off KSBA.
Not good...:ooh::ooh:

renfrew
22nd Nov 2008, 15:01
I don't think there was any fault with the aircraft in this case.According to various accounts it undershot the runway during a GCA approach in bad weather.

JW411
22nd Nov 2008, 16:07
I was 13 years old when it happened. Our front windows overlooked the airport and I well remember getting up on Christmas morning to see this pall of black smoke coming up from just south of the 31 threshold.

My aviation mates and I got on our bicycles and cycled round the airfield to the vicinity of Shaw Farm. From what I remember, the cockpit broke off on impact and the occupants of that section survived but the rest were sandwiched between two burning wings full of fuel.

I also seem to remember that it was quite some time before it was realised that the industrial diamonds were in the wreckage. I think they were supposed to have been loaded on to a New York bound BOAC Constellation and it was only when it turned up in New York and the diamonds were missing that it was realised that they had in fact been loaded on to G-ALSA.

maumal
23rd Nov 2008, 17:14
I remember my father saying exactly that...in fact he had one "that windmilled" after crossing the Atlantic and radioed ahead that he had a problem trying to feather the prop. Upon landing it was said that somebody in the tower watching the approach said: "I can't see what the problem is, he's got four good engines and one of them is running bloody well!"
Glad you madee it.
Cheers,
Malcolm Stewart

maumal
23rd Nov 2008, 17:28
That was the final determination. Although it might be interesting to note that the runway lights at Prestwick were under repair at the time but BOAC (unlike Pan Am who would not let their crew fly into Preswick with no lights) insisted on the flight going ahead.
My father accepted full responsibility for the flight but as I have not read the transcripts of the 8 days of hearings I cannot say for certain what concerns he he had. I do know that he was far beyond his allowable hours in terms of time on duty because of undercarriage problems forcing him to come back to Heathrow for repairs and that when asked if he wanted to call in another crew at 1 am on Christmas morning he declined. Knowing my father it was because he felt it would be very hard for a crew to be called in at that time on that particular day. A decision that through a terrible event led to much tighter rules regarding time on duty.
Thanks everyone for there contributions
Malcolm Stewart

renfrew
23rd Nov 2008, 18:46
"Merchant Airmen" mentions that Captain Stewart was the first British pilot to complete 100 Atlantic crossings in December 1944.
It also recounts a flight he made from Prestwick to Toronto with spares urgently needed by the De Havilland factory producing the Mosquito.

Captain WL "Geordie" Stewart is also mentioned in "Atlantic Bridge" and "Ocean Bridge"
He took part in the second Hudson formation delivery across the Atlantic in November 1940.

maumal
24th Nov 2008, 00:03
Thanks for this...that is all true, although I did not know about the flight to Toronto with spare parts.
Cheers,
Malcolm Stewart

Malkie
10th Jun 2009, 11:38
My late father was a navigator with BOAC, and had a knock on the door at home on Christmas Day 1954, and was asked to join a crew to fly to Prestwick with the grim task of bringing some bodies back to Heathrow. Since then we have had a fragment of metal (about an inch across) which I was told by my father was a piece of that aircraft.

bobdh478
14th Aug 2019, 13:23
Hello,
I wondered if you also looked at the KLM Connie crash of 1949 near Prestwick? I thought there was also a book or pamphlet, possibly published by the same chap.

washoutt
15th Aug 2019, 09:27
Diamant can certainly burn. Above 600-800 C the carbon will react with O2 and burn to CO2. Diamonts are not forever.

Robert T
24th Oct 2022, 11:01
I am researching the crash for a new book and wondered if anyone has the following information I'm having trouble sourcing:

1. What was the minimum landing distance a Strat needed?
2. What is the landing speed of a Strat?
2. What was the age of First Officer King at the time of the crash .

Thanks in advance.

Robert Thornton

tubby linton
24th Oct 2022, 16:19
I can answer the performance questions-
Landing speed 93mph-80knots
Landing distance from 50ft at 105000lb -1880yds, with reverse thrust 1610yds.
Source is https://www.skytamer.com/Boeing_377.html

This short article is a more practical guide on how to fly the military version of the Strat-
How to Fly the C97 (http://www.ovi.ch/b377/articles/howToFly/)

On the same website is a reprint of an article about BOAC operations by Tony Spooner DSO DFC http://www.ovi.ch/b377/articles/speedbird/index.html

megan
25th Oct 2022, 02:34
Bit late to the party but here is the official report.

https://www.baaa-acro.com/sites/default/files/import/uploads/2017/05/G-ALSA.pdf

Robert T
25th Oct 2022, 07:53
I am researching the crash for a new book and wondered if anyone has the following information I'm having trouble sourcing:

1. What was the minimum landing distance a Strat needed?
2. What is the landing speed of a Strat?
2. What was the age of First Officer King at the time of the crash .

Thanks in advance.

Robert Thornton

Hi.

Many thanks.

Robert.

Robert T
25th Oct 2022, 07:54
Bit late to the party but here is the official report.

https://www.baaa-acro.com/sites/default/files/import/uploads/2017/05/G-ALSA.pdf

Hi.

Thanks. I have this.
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Robert.

Max Tow
25th Oct 2022, 08:28
More details here....
https://www.ephemeraltreasures.net/prestwick-crash-1.html

Robert T
25th Oct 2022, 10:24
I have this also! 👍

Robert T
22nd Nov 2023, 11:05
Does anyone know who the captain was on the Avro York flight that left London at 9 a.m. Christmas morning?

The flight was to take AIB ad BOAC personnel to Prestwick.