Movie FUBAR's

[HELOFAN]

I remember a thread a while back where we had a few commets about the movie industry getting in right ..and mostly wrong.

Anyhoo, I was watching James Bond's Goldeneye where James is trying to recover a stolen Eurocopter Tiger and had stopped the heavily armoured train by planting a T-55 main battle tank in its path.

After the dust clears and a bit of interaction with the bad guys, James finds himself stuck in the train as the bad guys escape.

The top of the train opens up and you hear a turbine cranking and out pop's
a russian marked R-22 ?????!!!!!!
What a odd escape aircraft for the russians to have, let alone a turbine one with the cooling scroll and everything.
Damn those ruskies, they have all the cool stuff.

It was going so well till that point.

Wouldnt it have been better for it to be piston & to see it try to crank but not start properly 2 or 3 times like reality LOL.

Ahh shame, yet they have a couple of Twinstar 355's and the Tiger.
Maybe the cash was getting low and the best they could do for the train scene was the R22. or was it infact a chinese or russian knock off ?

Ahh well.

HF

[Hilico]

It's a matter of size. I take my R-22 on the train if the weather's dickie, in case it clears up at the destination. Fits nicely in an Intercity luggage rack. EC120 or bigger just won't fit the standard gauge!

[unstable load]

Then there's the inevitable 206, Squirrel, Agusta etc that sounds just like a Bell 47.......:D

[misbee]

Oooh .. oooh ... oooh ... Was watching a film t'other week - "Planet Terror" ... "What sort of helicopters are those?" I was asked.

"Hmmmm." I replied, "They look like S61/S62's to me, but it's very strange, those tails just aren't right."

The question-poser wasn't really that interested in my sad knowledge, but later went on to watch the second DVD containing the "making of" details ... next morning I was told "you were right about the tails, they only had the front ends of the helicopters and had to computer generate the tails ..."

And no, I didn't get a prize.

[Lt. Kije]

Or in Tomorrow Never Dies when the AStar uses the main rotor to slowly chop up a marketplace in pursuit of Pierce Brosnan and Michelle Yeoh, in an attitude that would make for a Vne dive, rather than a sedate chop-across-the-square.

Or in Mission Impossible when Jean Reno flies an MD530 down a train tunnel and the train coming the other way doesn't kick up enough turbulence to knock him into next year.

In fact, the movies get it wrong so much that I almost applauded when in The Italian Job Alan Purwin got the tail rotor of his MD500 knocked off in an underground garage, and he calmly did a throttle chop and hover auto. Wow. Something done right in a movie. :ok:

[alouette3]

I have posted this before and I will do so again.It is a pet peeve of mine. Why is it that in a movie/picture/flick(take your pick depending upon your current location)when a helicopter appears on the screen it is bound to crash within the next few frames-----spectacularly!!Case in point---Broken Arrow.I know, it is kind of dated, but ,go back and see it. Every helicopter that shows up is destroyed.
No wonder the unwashed masses think helicopters are death traps----.
Alt3

[bondu]

And there's always "Wings of the Apache" (or "Fire Birds" for our American colleagues)! :\

bondu

[Vandal]

I always found the ON/OFF switch for "whispermode" in Blue Thunder interesting. I mean, when do you need to switch whispermode OFF?

[T4 Risen]

As a young teenager i was under the impression that Airwolf was possible, having qualified as a "proffesional" pilot i find all my childhood dreams shattered......there is no boost button on a super puma,the trim release button doesn't fire rockets, we dont get to wear fancy helmets or use state of the art computer systems that make amazing humming noises that sound like flipper on speed.....and the north sea does not compare to the sunny climes of arizona.....DOH :ugh:...Blue thunder has just as much to answer for...im sure the residents of dyce would love us to have the whisper mode fitted!!!

[OlafG]

In Die Another Day, Pierce Brosnan and Halle Berry gets out of something that looks like an IL-76 in an MD600N with the engine off. You can see them spinning towards the ground, the rotor is actually stopped and stays stopped all the way until he starts the engine and you can clearly hear a piston engine starting, like when you start a DC-3.

[Lt.Fubar]

Helicopter movie cliches from rotaryaction.com (http://www.rotaryaction.com/) :

- Apparently out of control or damaged, a helicopter flies over a hill, or behind a landmark. Once it's out of view, there's a huge explosion to suggest the aircraft has crashed. Few movies have the budget to afford model effects, or write-off even a mock-up helicopter.

- The escaping hero and sidekick or partner climb aboard an unattended helicopter. One asks the other "Can you fly this thing?"
"No... but hang on!" comes the reply, and then the machine performs a decidedly wobbly takeoff.

- In pursuit of a road vehicle, the hero - or his stuntman, at least - jumps down from a low-flying helicopter onto or into the wildly swerving vehicle as it races along a conveniently deserted highway.

- A helicopter is forced to make an emergency landing on the roof of a building and it promptly crashes through the ceiling into a crowded room.

- At night time, helicopters flying in the distance (especially military machines) are often mistaken for UFOs.

- In the movies, a stolen helicopter only ever carries two minutes of aviation fuel. In such incidents, the hero has to perform a dangerous emergency landing - a survivable technique called autorotation - while any machine piloted by a villain invariably blows up (see item number one)... The moral of this is, of course - never get into a helicopter with an action movie bad guy!

- By far the most used and/ or abused rotorcraft cliché in movies and TV is the sound effect of a helicopter passing 'overhead', without a chopper ever being visible on-screen. In stereo, it 'travels' from one side/ speaker(s) to the other, accentuating the Doppler effect. This particular audio trick is notable in the Dolby advert featuring a computer-animated helicopter.

[eivissa]

That surely was Rambo 3, where he also kills gazelles with his crossbow ;)

[ecureilx]

In the movie Blood Diamond, i thought I did see a wierd gunship - or is it really the one that is on hire for South African Mercs ?

[RINKER]

Talking of producers destroying helicopters. In the James Bond movie, I'm sure it was " From Russia With Love " our hero destroys a yellow Hiller and it is seen falling burning to the ground. Heres the thing my brother was recently carrying out chainsaw training with some guys on an estate near Lochgilphead Argyll and they told him the wreckage lay on the hills there until quite recently. Never had a chance to check it out anyone heard of this ? .
R

[topendtorque]

Never had a chance to check it out anyone heard of this ? .



When you find that one there is a Spitfire in a coal mine at a little place named Acland, not far from Oakey Queesnland. Oakey is now home to a few army rotary aviators and was used to store hundreds of war surplus fighters etc. (i have a photo somewhere) It is supposedly a brand new, in the crate, Mk 24.

and wait, there's also a couple of Kittyhaks in a cave somewhere near tipperary on the Daly River in the Northern Territory. That whole area is well adorned with crashed fighters from both sides of WW11 and a few heavies as well.

Acland I will never forget, as a young fella a mate of mine used to have a chick there, Debby Sherriff. We used to tell him when we were up to mischief, that we were gonna go over to Acland and shoot up the sherriff!:)

[SASless]

We've made progress...at least now everytime a helicopter lands...it is the soundtrack of a JetRanger winding down rather than a Bell 47. Funny thing the pilot always winds the throttle off as he descends from a hover and not after landing.:*

[Lt.Fubar]

In the movie Blood Diamond, i thought I did see a wierd gunship - or is it really the one that is on hire for South African Mercs ?In the movie, it was South African Mi-24 Super Hind Mk III, but in the real events in Sierra Leone, South Africans were flying old unmodified Mi-24Vs.

[OFBSLF]

Just about anything you see in the movies about guns is wrong. As a lowly SLF, it doesn't surprise me in the least that the same is true about movies and helicopters.

[Gas Producer]

A couple of my favourites:

1. From the series '24'. The hero, Jack Bauer, seems to be an expert at everything. He has been seen getting into the left front seat of a Jetbanger in a couple of episodes - left hand on cyclic and right hand on the command seat collective. The boy sure has talent.

2. Good old Huey flying along after a dramatic rescue, doors all open, not a headset in sight, everyone in the back conversing normally. Love it.

3. And to echo one of Lt. Fubar's favourites: An old Charles Bronson movie but I can't remember the name of it. Bronson's character has to bust someone out of a Mexican gaol or something like that. Never had a flying lesson. Get's in a 47 and wobbles a bit at first, but has mastered it after about 15 minutes. Lands in the gaol, quite well controlled, escapee jumps in and off they fly. Not one bullet hits the machine. Amazing.

GP:O

[Flaxton Flyer]

On one movie - either Broken Arrow or Under Seige 2 - the bad guys have a 206 on a flatbed railway carriage for their "getaway". During the fight scene, one of the scrappers kicks the bottom tail rotor blade (low skids) which obligingly spins round a good 190 degrees to swat the other guy under the chin.

All very impressive, even more so when you realise that the blade tie-downs are still on...

[Lt.Fubar]

The most idiotic, most disturbing scene ever put into movie, that involve a helicopter in whole history of cinematography - can be seen under link bellow. Although be warned, sheer stupidity of that scene, may shut your brain off for few long minutes, maybe hours even...

From 06:37 to 07:53
YouTube - Charlie's Angels: Full Throttle ~ the Best Scenes {Part 1} (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wx1gnQx6ELQ)

[TRC]

... may shut your brain off for few long minutes, maybe hours even...


Could be days.

[HELOFAN]

Just watched Mission Impossible 2 opening scene.

used a MD500 sound for an A-star.

Why?:ugh:

[Alloa Akbar]

It beats me why the movie people can't just stick to something believable like "Airwolf"...:ugh:

[arismount]

The Bronson movie was Breakout. In the movie, Bronson played a cropduster, an expert FW pilot. He took helicopter lessons in order to bust a guy out of a Mexican prison, but he wasn't very good at flying the helicopter. The airwork and aviation stuff in the movie was pretty well done and fairly factual.

[before landing check list]

Back to “Blue Thunder” for a sec. Do you remember the scene where the villain opens the cowl of the B206 and loosens the nut/bolt combo going to the fuel control? The bolt was installed back words/upside down.

And actually for a while there were experiments to greatly reduce the sound of a tail rotor by using the same technology factories and Bose use. It system weighed too much. But if you had it, why turn it off?

[500 Fan]

Lt. Fubar, that was truly appalling. What kind of spoonheads put money up to finance an epic piece of sh1te like that?

The only way you can redeem yourself is to tell me you know a source for a copy of "Deadly Encounter" starring the Hughes 500 (oh, and Larry Hagman). I can't find this anywhere and am desperate to see it again. It gets my vote for the best heli film and they have even dubbed in the correct sound for each type of heli.:ok:

500 Fan.

[Lt.Fubar]

Use Force my friend !... umm... I mean, use eBay (http://cgi.ebay.com/DEADLY-ENCOUNTER-Larry-Hagman-DVD-1982-NTSC_W0QQitemZ150287740227QQihZ005QQcategoryZ60868QQssPageNa meZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem) :ok:

[Bravo73]

500 Fan,

There is also a PAL version of Deadly Encounter currently on fleaBay UK...

[500 Fan]

Gentlemen, thanks for the heads-up on that. The last time I looked it up on ebay, someone was selling a video cassette of it for around $300 so it was a little out of my reach. This looks to be a little more reasonable! Thanks.

500 Fan.

[Tarman]

500 fan, go to YOU TUBE and type in Deadly Encounter to see the start up !!:ok:

[Coconutty]

... It must be something to do with all the cash they are paid for a few minutes "work",
but have you noticed how most movie "stars" have superior hearing abilities,
and can carry on a perfectly normal person to person conversation ( no headphones / intercom ) during flight in a variety of machines that would, to the average non movie star with "ordinary" hearing abilities, render them deaf within a few minutes :hmm:

http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d129/coconut11/Coconutty.jpg

[500 Fan]

As well as super-human hearing ability, these actors are damn fine pilots too, when required.

YouTube - Deadly Encounter - intro (http://ie.youtube.com/watch?v=xB0O1MKXF3k)

That "Hangar Departure" from the opening scene of Deadly Encounter was excellent. Larry picked it up into a very precise 1 foot hover and even dropped the tail as he came out the door so he didn't catch his tail-fin on the doorframe. He recovered nicely from that minor case of LTE on climb-out as well. And all of this whilst wearing a pair of sandals. Outstanding!

Seriously though, could they not find a smaller hangar than that one? I'll bet the stunt pilot reviewed his life insurance when he saw the story-board for that scene.

"You want me to do WHAT?" :uhoh:

Ah, the good ole days of stunt flying.

500 Fan.

[O27PMR]

Lt Fubar...

Thanks a bunch :mad:! That's 11 whole minutes of my life I will never get back!!!

Mind you, I'm truly amazed they managed to find 11 minutes worth of 'best scenes' so in fact, maybe I should be thanking you? Having watched that monatge of utter poop there's no fear of me wasting a couple of hours watching the whole thing:E

PR

[Lt.Fubar]

Haha, than you have somewhat 1,5 hours of life more than me! Unfortunatly I let myself get tricked to watch the WHOLE thing once... I'm still recovering.

Anyway I gave you the exact time to the Ka-52 scene, any demage due to watching more than this ridiculous scene, is not my responsibility ;)

[albatross]

A long time ago (1987 ) I did some flying for a movie called "Nowhere to Hide"

I saw all the film we shot and there were some great shots. One shot of a helicopter flying over a glassy water lake with clouds and helicopter reflected below on the mirror like lake surface was a thing of beauty.

Most of the stuff that made it into the movie were the mediocre first takes and none of the really good stuff made it into the finished product.

Blame it on the film editors I guess.

I wish I could get copies of all the stuff that ended up on the cutting room floor.

[soupisgoodfood]

"Funny thing the pilot always winds the throttle off as he descends from a hover and not after landing."

At least that's better than taking off while the turbines are still spooling up.

Things would be much better if they just used the original soundtrack. The people who don't know what a helicopter sounds like or what the operating procedures are won't care or notice, anyway, so why waste time adding effects that only annoy people who know the difference? Same still goes for cars in many movies. Bad editing drives me up the wall.

The only movie that I can think of that's realistic is Apocalypse Now.

[500 Fan]

Her is some more in-hangar fun.

YouTube - 240-ROBERT "Bank Job" chase scene (http://ie.youtube.com/watch?v=g0QXTLvktOY)

Bank robbers in a Bell 47 are chased by the good guys in a Hughes 500C (yea, I know, it's like chasing a bicycle with a Subaru Impreza). The real fun starts at 3:06 when the two helis go toe-to-toe in the hangar. This scene makes Larry Hagman's earlier effort look amateurish!

500 Fan.

[Heli-kiwi]

I just love the sound of a 500 in a steep descending turn... but the movie producers/editors insist that stock Bell 47 sound footage will do it every time.
I have seen one movie with a helicopter that had the sounds of a 500, Squirrel and a Jetbox in a space of 45 seconds, Now thats talent!

[perfrej]

Well, I don't know about you all, but I felt that the Bankjob stuff was all correct in the sounds. Even the shutdowns at the end sounded right to me...

/p

[RINKER]

Watching the A team the other night ( yeah I know ! ) anyway our Hero " Face " pulls the bad guy out of a lovely green and white Longranger on the roof of a building then takes off and flies down to street level to help the rest of the team to apprehend the bad guys in the getaway car but would you believe it the 206L is now a lovely green and white Jetranger 206a/b ? same colour scheme etc what a transformation ! .
R

[Well Honey]

Did anyone notice that the makers of Terminator 2 had the insight to give the T1000 a third arm when flying his helicopter so that he could shoot Arnie and fly at the same time? :8

[cptjim]

I watched The Hot Rock (Robert Redford) last night and was impressed to see that they showed a pretty acurate start up...up until the helicopter lifting after 30 secs!

A small snip of some of the flying.. YouTube - 1971 Lower Manhattan in The Hot Rock movie (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T1k22wfNXNE)

...and if anyone is interested...

The Hot Rock (film - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Hot_Rock_(film))

Amazon.com: The Hot Rock: Robert Redford, George Segal, Ron Leibman, Paul Sand, Moses Gunn, William Redfield, Topo Swope, Charlotte Rae, Graham Jarvis, Harry Bellaver, Seth Allen, Robert Levine (III), Lee Wallace, Robert Weil, Lynne Gordon, Grania O' (http://www.amazon.com/Hot-Rock-Robert-Redford/dp/B00008MTW1/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=dvd&qid=1223673999&sr=8-1)

[RotaryRat]

Adding to '24' with Jack Bauer, he managed to start up an AS350 and was sitting in the machine for a few minutes until the rotors were "at speed" to get away from the bad guys...

Bruce Willis did a fantastic job of starting and flying an AS350 in Die Hard 4.0, after only "a couple of lessons"..... not a bad a/c to start flying training in!

In "Working Girl" with Harrison Ford, Sigourny Weaver hops out of a S-76 just after touch down with rotors turning, then 2 seconds later while still getting out the M/R is completely still... almighty fast shut down and rotor brake application :eek:

[LHSboy]

Towards the end of Behind Enemy Lines with Owen Wilson and Gene Hackman, 3 212's/UH-1N's lift off from the carrier to rescue Mr Wilson only to turn into 2 Huey's and a 412 when they reach him. They then turn back into 212's when they head back to the ship. The average observer is none the wiser. Great editing that :D

[merman]

In "Working Girl" with Harrison Ford, Sigourny Weaver hops out of a S-76 just after touch down with rotors turning, then 2 seconds later while still getting out the M/R is completely still... almighty fast shut down and rotor brake application

They probably couldn't use the aircraft again until they'd unjammed the siezed/melted on rotor brake.:O:O

[beebo]

Does anyone know what helis they use in Body of Lies during that chase scene across the desert? Looks like one is a Dolphin??!! I would have expected Blackhawks..?