Every operator in the UK.....ever?

[Simon150]

I am looking for a list of ALL UK 'aircraft' operators to start hounding for a job now I have finished my TE CPL/IR.

I think a very good starting point would be a list of all UK AOC holders:-

Apparently a list is held by the CAA Library and Information Center in Gatwick, but this is a looong way away from me. According to the CAA, company addresses are also available in the 'Directory of British Aviation' but this costs hundreds of pounds.

So, does anybody know if a more accessable list of UK AOC holders or similar is available. I want to target airlines, jet and turboprop, aerial photography firms, air taxi firms, parachute droppers.....anybody who might offer some financial reward for flying. No flying is too low (metaphorically speaking of course).

BALPA have a good contact list on their website but it is hardly comprehensive.

P.s. I have tried a search including terms like 'CAA' and 'AOC' but get got by the 3 letter clause.

cheers all

[MIKECR]

You could start by trying some proper research rather than someone just hand you a list.

[INNflight]

Have a look at these two books: JP airlinefleets and bizjets

BUCHair (UK) Ltd (http://www.buchairshop.co.uk/)

Usually used by enthusiasts for looking up reg's or whatever, but it's well researched and not expensive.

Plus, it doesn't only give you all UK airlines or bizjet operators, but WORLDWIDE with all contact details as far as I can remember.

I think air taxi ops and the likes are not listed, but it's a great way to start.

[charliejulietthotel]

type in ppjn to google, or .com, it may work like that, has a load of airline contacts and small uk operators

[waiterpilot]

If I understand right I was doing exactly that just today - first result typing in air operators certificate in google! List of aircraft operated, and websites;

This what you looking for? (http://www.caa.co.uk/default.aspx?catid=1196&pagetype=90)

[Pitch+Power]

what is it with tw*ts like mikecr ?
I clicked on this thread thinking, sounds good.. i'd be interested in that.
Original poster even says he tried various searches... and pprune is a great source and wealth of information.. another tool to be used.

Next time one of my staff ask me for some information, I'll make sure and tell them ' go find it yourself '

Management material methinks :eek:

[FlyingApe]

I obtained a copy by e-mailing a polite letter to the CAA library staff - that was about 3-4 years ago now - and they e-mailed me a copy back

Didn't help much though :-(

Found PPJN a good source for who was hiring, Sent out 250 plus C.V's as well ( this was post sept 11 )

I was eventually recruited off a CV I'd sent speculativly 10 monthe previously. -
make sure you keep your contact info up to date ! And good luck.

[adverse-bump]

type AOC into the caa search engine and you get a pdf doc.

then get in line!

...or go do an FI course, best move youll ever make.

[Simon150]

Thanks charliejulietthotel and INNflight - useful information. Although there is lots of information around for the larger operators, infomation on the smaller piston/turboprop operators is more difficult to find although in my opinion, may be where the more attractive jobs may lie. There are hundreds of operators within the UK which seem to be overlooked by new starters, but are potentially significantly more accessible than the 'proper airlines'. The downside is maybe that you need to know somebody to get into these places - the upside may be that you can into these places if you know somebody ;-)

The first line below has a good list of UK based 'small' firms (look under small operators under Europe), but the list is quite out of date I am sure. I was considering paying the CAA a visit at Gatwick to look through the AOC list as it must represent the most up to date information and could validate which targets are still operating. That said, I just read your reply FlyingApe. You may have saved me some time!

Pilot Jobs Network - hundreds of airlines listed (http://www.pilotjobsnetwork.com/)
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MIKECR - Thanks for nothing, you are 100% right. I have done no research into jobs at all despite being a consultant aerospace engineer, being in the industry for the past 10 years and just spend nearly 40,000 on training. Good luck with your job hunting - I sincerely hope I am sitting next to you in the interview room. A lesson for you - if you don't ask - you don't get.

[Simon150]

Thanks waiterpilot - thats what I was looking for. The best I could find on the CAA website was this:-

FAQ Details | Publications | CAA (http://www.caa.co.uk/default.aspx?catid=241&pagetype=70&gid=242&faqid=163)

Which kind of implies that you can either wade through the paper copies held in the CAA library, or spend £250 on a directory. It never mentions that you can get it on-line! Maybe I will drop them a line asking them to include a link on their website.

Re. Instructor course - that's the current activity (part-time), but I still intend to waste a few acres of forest sending out CVs in the meantime! To be honest, If I thought I could afford to support my Wife and 2 month old child on the wages, I would love to be an instructor for a few years at least. As it happens the current plan is earn money over winter, then earn some hours over next summer instructing.

[MIKECR]

Simon,

You obviously take umbrige at my post. My point was to advise you that any list you obtain is likely to be old and pretty much useless. Contact details, email addresses etc for who to send cv's to are all likely to be out of date. The likes of PPJN has info that hasnt been updated in 5 years. By 'proper research' i mean getting yourself on the likes of G-INFO and finding out where aircraft are, who the operators are, checking their websites for contact details, emailing or telephoning ops desk for a chief pilots name, check the british parachute assosciation website for club addresses, do the same with the British Gliding assosciation, check the Manx register for private corp aircraft details, subscripe to the IPA........ad infitum! If you simply rely on someone handing you a list of airlines or air taxi companies, then your wasting your time. You'll be emailing and sending cv's to operators or chief pilots that perhaps havent even existed in the last 5 years. Cold calling with a cv from a list of names somewhere is not the way forward. Been there, done that, got the t-shirt. You need to get yourself down to your local airfields, put yourself about and start digging around. The recession is upon us, there are little or no flying jobs for new cpl holders(unless you sell your sole to some buy a job scheme), your entering the arena at a very very tough time. You must be armed with the most up to date and current recruitment info possible, any list you find is already old. I go back to my original post's advice- 'research yourself', it will give you the best chance. And to reassure you, you wont see me in the same interveiw room.

[Re-Heat]

The CAA's AOC holder list on their website is up to date and complete

[Okavango]

Good info - thanks to all, just adding my two-penneth to be able to reference in future.

[boogie-nicey]

Now, now, now why must we always bear witness to this usual pattern exhibited on pprune of a question followed by a sarcastic episode and then eventually a couple of helpful replies. Would we talk to each other like that if we were in the same room? Come on ladies and gents there's really no need for this type of approach ;)

[Simon150]

MIKECR

Thanks for a useful posting - having read some of your other more constructive contributions on other forums I knew you had it in you! You can hopefully accept my apologies for a rather harsh response but as you may tell, I was not the only one to wonder why such a sarcastic response to what was intended to be a reasonable question. :(

The main reason for the AOC is to 'help' with my research in exactly the way you suggest. There is lots of information out there but as you say, it is generally very out of date and of little use. The current AOC list should represent the most up-to date list possible of active operators and is an easy way of cutting out much of the out-of date info etc before too much effort is expended getting more detail as you suggest.

I am happy to say that I currently have a good size target list which is quickly getting populated with critical info - like up to date contact info, chief pilot details etc - down to inside information on growth plans (not that they will last long!) - 95% of which is being obtained by phoning the organizations directly or via. 'inside contacts'. I take on board all you say and am happy to agree wholeheartedly with you, and I am fully prepared for the torrent of nothingness in response to my enquires - but as I said before - if you don't ask - you don't get. At least I can say that I am putting my all into the effort.

On another similar note....

Arggghhh - THE MOST frustrating thing about PPRUNE is the constant need to justify everything you are doing to avoid smart arsed comments and 'throw away' remarks. Something I find myself doing YET AGAIN on this thread despite promising myself not to get drawn into these type of discussions. I don't know the answer. The problem I personally have is that there are limited hours in the day, and I use PPRUNE as a very useful resourse to help me answer questions quickly. I would prefer to be calling airlines and doing meaningful research than engaging in yet another fight to justify why I am not just another time wasting, poorly prepared, ignorant waste of PPRUNERS time.......

I don't know the answer apart from just requesting that people posting consider whether they know the full story before they do. Treating people as idiots until proven innocent is not the best way to go through life. As Boogie says - you wouldn't do it in real life (hopefully), so why here?

[Simon150]

Right - now thats off my chest......

It is interesting that there are a number of operators such as (a couple of obvious ones) Netjets and Ryanair who don't appear to be CAA AOC holders and as such don't appear in the CAA list.

I always thought that if you operated G-reg a/c in the UK, then you would need a UK CAA AOC. If thats not the case, I wonder where you can find out which other Authority AOCs are currently being operated in the UK? This also indicates that there may well be many other Operators that operate in the UK with A.N.Other Authorities AOC and as such may be scrubbed from the active list despite still trading?

Presumably Ryanair is operated under Irish Authority.......not sure about Netjets.

[FougaMagister]

NetJets Europe aircraft are CS-reg, so they'll be on a Portuguese AOC.

Cheers :cool:

[MIKECR]

Simon,

The reason I was sarcastic was simply because the thread you have posted and the questions you ask have come up time and time again. I've lost track of the amount of times someone pitches with "I've just finished my CPL and IR and was just wondering if anyone could give me a list of all UK operators with up to date email addresses, Chief Pilots names and postal addresses, what whisky they drink etc etc!". In the same breath they then usually ask "and does anyone have a good CV they could lend me". Im not suggesting you are one of the youth of today who expect everything for nothing, hence my sarcasm!;)

The 'magic list' however...the holy grail for applications,....im afraid doesnt exist. An AOC list is certainly available but there are also many private operations(King airs, Citations etc) that theres no info on..other than perhaps G-INFO website. The only way with them is to get down and dirty, get the phone out and write lots of letters. As for parachute jobs, check the BPA website and start calling the clubs and schools. Same go's for the BGA. As for air taxi, unless you've 700 hours then waste of time. Air photography etc is another tricky one. Phonecalls and personal visits is about the best approach there. As for the airlines........well its ti*s up time for the next 2 years I would suggest. Nobodys recruiting just now and movement is incredibly slow. There will always be the odd one who gets through but generally low hours pilots with a fresh cpl/ir have really no chance until the economy picks up. I wish the best of luck, you'll need it!

[adverse-bump]

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[Simon150]

OK MIKECR - friends then? :ok:

Cheers adverse - usual caveat applies :)

[MIKECR]

Only if you help me pick a fight with WWW. I try my best to wind him up too, on at least a weekly,if not fortnightly basis! :E

[boogie-nicey]

Just tell WWW how you are actually prepared for the slowing economic conditions and have an abundance of cash from the sale of your property at the height of the cycle. Now you are going to buy up property at the low point of the cycle. That should wind him up..... :p

[MIKECR]

Even more so if its his neighbouring farm, with more acres!:}

[jamestkirk]

Just to say you are a gent for posting your findings on pprune. Some people would have kept the information to themselves.

It took me a while to find my first job and i had to spend hours in an internet cafe looking or worse buying lists.

Best of luck with it.

jtk

[potkettleblack]

Simon FR are EI registered hence do not hold a CAA AOC but an Irish one.

I echo Mike's points. The vast majority of jobs go unadvertised and go to people through inside contacts. Those are the people that have invested the time to build up networks and prove that they are sound.

How many job adverts have you seen for a 250hr ME/CPL/IR/MCC holder to go onto a biz jet? Likewise for someone to fly a pilatus and drop parachutists. What about aerial surveying or traffic reporting for radio stations. Guess who sits in the RHS of the falcons based down in BOH flying for FRA? Lots of young faces there I can tell you. FACT is jobs like those are not advertised yet guys and gals get these types of jobs all the time.

The fact is the bulk of jobs go through "CTC like" schemes or integrated course referrals. Then you drop down to the likes of FR who will take anyone that is up to standard no matter which way you did your training. All you need is the requisite cash to front up. FR like it or not has been the biggest recruiter of wannabes over the past few years. Flybe also has a history of being a good recruitment source for wannabes and there are a myriad of ways in through various schools now from both integrated to modular. All these have been discussed to death on pprune. Most of the schools have the Flybe banner pasted across their web pages if you go and do the research.

Another source of jobs over the past few years has been the TRTO's that many people have paid for type ratings. Many of these had good industry contacts and in many cases it was in their best interests to try and get as many people into work to make the numbers stack up.

After you have exhausted all of those options you are really back to my first point which is networking. Get down to your local airfield and start making friends. Offer to be safety pilot. Get to know people that seem to have lots of friends in all of the right places. Ask the guy that has a Kingair if you can go up with him for a fly and do the radios.

As a last resort you could always try the scattergun approach of sending off 300 CV's but in all honesty I would pack my bag and head to Africa before I did that and get some hours in flying in the bush.

Good luck.