PVR Dates - Reducing waiting times

[Big Unit Specialist]

I have recently PVRd and have been offered exit at 12 months rather than what I requested (6 Months). Has anyone out there got recent (last 4 years or so) experience of success in reducing the waiting time to what they wanted? PM me with the details if appropriate.

Background: Commissioned, 24 years in, 44 point passed but not taken up :ugh:

The lever I expect to have at my disposal is a firm job offer.....

Many thanks

[BackfromIraq]

At Aldergrove it's been published in SROs that no-one applying for PVR will not released ahead of their PVR date, whether they've got a firm job offer or not.

In this time of over-stretch and under-establishment (don't get me started) I think you'd be lucky to get out ahead of time, but you can only try. Good luck.

[Pelikanpete]

This may be of limited help but a mate of mine is a now retired Army Captain but after only 8 years total service (out of 16). He decided one day that he wanted to leave, got a firm job offer and so PVRd. He also got the standard 12 months notice but challenged APC Glasgow by letter and telephone. Eventually his case was discussed by a review board who rejected it twice and then finally agreed to release him. Amazingly the whole process took about three months from initial PVR to walking out of camp as a civi.

Whilst your terms of service might be quite different and my friend was not aircrew (which I assume you are) it does go to show that certainly the Army who are critically short of Captains will reluctantly let you go. They grumbled about him being in a key job but finally gave in. He had to give up his resettlement package and termination leave.

[TyphoonSaloon]

I believe you have to attach a firm Job offer to your PVR when it initially goes into the system. Saying you have one isn't enough. Even this doesn't guarantee an early exit. Your bosses have to agree to run short for the 6 month period between you leaving and your predicted 12 month release date. Its very localised.

[Ogre]

I've said it before on this forum, legally all you have to give is 28 days notice. I had a mate who was told PVR would be 18 months, after consulting a legal professional who specialised in employment law he basically told WO PSF that he was taking them to court. 6 weeks later he was out.:ok:

[Tiger_mate]

The RAF will exploit an element of Civil Employment Law.

An employer that has offered you a job then cannot recruit for the same job. In short, you have a contract once a job is offered. If the RAF then do not release you, the employer has a shortfall that he canot legally fill for a period of time that runs into months. Therefore the employer is unlikely to give a written job offer until the RAF give you a confirmed release date. A circle that must be broken somewhere, and one that most employers attempt to deal with by a verbal offer that is not legally binding, but one that the RAF will not accept.

News on TV just last night that 44% of RAF persons have seriously considered PVR, which is a smaller percentage then the Army and Navy. From what I see, 100% of RAF persons have considered an exit strategy, and opting to remaining within the service is no sign of contentment / satisfaction.

Good Luck, I hope the shade of grass t'other side is to your liking. After 22 years you do not owe the military anything.

[adminblunty]

Tiger mate,
For a contract to exist there has to be an offer and acceptance of the offer. Verbal contracts of employment are binding, the difficulty comes proving the terms of a contract when a disagreement occurs, hence why written contracts are issued. However, there is no requirement in law for written contracts of employment, only a written statement of particulars. See Employment Rights Act 1996.

Adminblunty

As for getting out early, all you can do is ask and hope.