Entebbe Overrun

[Foxcotte]

I've just heard a rumor that the Pride of Africa has dented its pride by running a 737 off the end of the runway at Entebbe. Has anyone heard anything about it? Dying to know if it ended up a watery landing or not? News please?!

[cockyjester]

Just heard from a passenger on Air Uganda that it was V. Heavy rain, delays to both Air Uganda and BA. KQ landed but carried on to the grass/mud at the end of the runway......didn't go swimming

[The Con]

Hope there's a bit of transparency as to what exactly happened this time around. The sooner 'they' realise that it's in their interest and the industry at large, to openly discuss flaws in their structure, the less frequent the incidecences will be. Step up to the plate KQ !.......

[Blue Stratos200]

Ha, Ha, Ha - if the rumour is true, then KQ has slumped to a new low. It really makes one wonder what sort of crew they employ. An absolutely fatal crash in May '07 - Douala, then an overun at Jomo approx 3 months ago and now again in Entebbe, lucky they didn't drink from the lake. What an abysmal safety record for a so called "International Airline". If they ever call me for another flight test i'll have the last laugh!!!

[CptBlood]

Hello all,

this is the F/O borrowed by Meridiana Spa (italian airline) to Air Uganda, who has just landed the MD87 before the KQ overrun.

Just for the record, rwy in use was 35 , vor dme app.
The major cell was north of the field, that is the reason why we preferred to use rwy 35, despite a slight tailwind occured during approach, of about 4 kts.

I could see the ALS just AT (I MEAN, AT) the minima and had a safe landing (not a big deal with just a LW of 49 T). We easily exited rwy, backtracking rwy 12 and then via C taxiway we reached for the gate.

When arrived at the gate, we could see that KQ asked for fire department and we realized that an overrun had happened.

I can tell that the shower was really hard, full speed wipers needed.



p.s. Besides the above, I do not find a good thing laughing at something like this. Human lives are more important than personal rancour. Remember that a mistake can happen to anyone, even the most experienced pilot!

[Zenj]

We do not laugh on accidents around here, we being pilot's know the fact that even the best pilot on earth can get into an accident.

If someone was refused a job opening , this is not the time to make a fuss.

Lets hope that it's not a serious matter and that all are safe , and so is the aircraft itself.

[CptBlood]

Zenj, I totally subscribe to your words!
That is what I meant with my p.s. :ok:

[Notes]

Thanks for the news update. Its amazing how often KQ get into such situations - heavy rain or not, I wonder what are their SOP's about landing in a heavy storm on a wet runway?

There was also another recent story about KQ... took off early in one of their new 777 for London, leaving some on-time passengers behind, discovered they had a gear warning and had to circle for quite some time dumping fuel before they could return to JKIA. On landing, they discovered that the gear pins "remove before flight" were still in - hence the gear problem. Someone with a flair for PR told the waiting passengers that the aircraft had returned "just for them", refuelled, took the gear pins out, loaded the passengers before the crew realised they were out of duty time!!! Nice one fellas!!

Hadn't heard about the JKIA overrun though - and I operate out of Nairobi!! As I said, its amazing what they get away with - and how little information gets out into the real world!

[Heli-Jet]

For professional pilots one considers the alternate especially if the water on the runway would have you hydro-planning or landing long ..... don't BS the rest of us when you screw up

[406pilot]

hola'

"NO COMMENTS" about this as all of us have been victims of "get there..it is" sydrome, but someone said it correctly there is no such thing as a new accident


keep it up there fellows,

no more 406pilot

[Blue Stratos200]

Ok guys, I appologize for the laugh - sincerely; it was wrong of me to express myself in that manner - especially in regards to an incident/accident. But the fact remains - their safety record of late leaves a lot to be desired. As for the job part - i would think twice before joining them. Here is some more food for thought from an authentic source. A KQ B767 took off from Jomo with the back up fuel system inop. The engineer had been signing the aircraft for service inspite of the problem. What happened? One engine flamed out and they had to go back to Jomo. Needless to say, the story was quashed. They really need to get their act together before we have another catastrophe!!!

[Avionics2]

There was also another recent story about KQ... took off early in one of their new 777 for London, leaving some on-time passengers behind, discovered they had a gear warning and had to circle for quite some time dumping fuel before they could return to JKIA. On landing, they discovered that the gear pins "remove before flight" were still in - hence the gear problem. Someone with a flair for PR told the waiting passengers that the aircraft had returned "just for them", refuelled, took the gear pins out, loaded the passengers before the crew realised they were out of duty time!!! Nice one fellas!!

ahem:D.......the Kq flight to LHR already had its landing gear pins OFF AS REQUIRED and put in their designated slots in the wheel well.however sme mtce work was being done in the E&E bay and some Ground air module's Cb was left:mad:pulled...........my 2 cents tho`

[EX-FED]

When did this incident happen? I fly out of Kajjansi, near Entebbe, but I'm out of the country doing training and didn't hear about it.

Thanks for the info.

[johan_jnb]

from KQ website:

Statement from Kenya Airways

21st April 2008

Kenya Airways would like to confirm that one of its jets Boeing 737-300 was this morning involved in an incident at the Entebbe International Airport. However, there were no injuries or casualties on the 113 passengers and 7 crew members on board and no damage to the aircraft.
Owing to heavy downpour and poor visibility in Entebbe, the pilot landed long and into the runway. The plane suffered a deflated tyre as a result of this action. The tyre was subsequently changed in 35 minutes and the plane embarked on the return journey to Nairobi with 66 passengers and 7 crew members on board.

[OneGuy]

overun at JKIA? did not happen! backup fuel system on 767? whats that? Flew 76's for 3 years and the FCOM did not have that system... perhaps its new.Lets stick to known facts. Someone prove me wrong.

[SIERRA ECHO XRAY]

Advocate to raise KQ safety issue at meeting
Published on April 28, 2008, 12:00 am

By Brian Adero
A licensing committee is likely to discuss the safety of Kenya (http://www.eastandard.net/news/?id=1143985607&cid=159#) Airways (KQ) passengers.
This follows the publication in the media last week of a confidential report that raised safety concerns with the airline’s equipment.
Industry insiders want, among other things, the airlines flight and cabin safety – particularly in January, February and March — discussed at next month’s licensing meeting.
The Standard obtained a letter in which a city aviation lawyer proposes to raise the issue at the forthcoming licensing meeting.
The letter is addressed to the Kenya Civil Aviation Authority (KCAA) and is copied to the PS in the ministry of transport and the regional manager of IATA Africa (http://www.eastandard.net/news/?id=1143985607&cid=159#) offices.
Mr Peter Simani, an advocate of the High Court, has given notice to the KCAA of his intention to raise the matter of "safety and maintenance profile of Kenya Airways" at the May 12 meeting.
"As a member of the public who flies periodically with the airline, media reports have caused me great concern and anxiety, more so in view of the safety records of Kenya Airways," he said.
"We want KCAA to initiate the formation of an efficient system of reporting of a Cabin and Air Safety Report with a view to making it compulsory to report incidences to KCAA," said Simani.
"In the event that the report systems are in existence, I will seek to inquire why no action has been taken to improve the situation given that the incidents continue to recur," he added.
Simani’s letter follows an exclusive story carried by The Standard based on a confidential report by the airline to IATA Operational Safety Audit.
In the report, "Flight Safety Report January- March 2008", the airline reveals that in January, February and March, it was involved in 135 incidents that account for an average two per cent per 100 sectors per fleet.
Based on the report, Simani now wants the licensing committee to suspend the Air Service Licence of Kenya Airways pending investigation into the safety and maintenance programme or ground all aircraft that continue to pose maintenance and air safety threats.
"My concern is genuine and made with the knowledge that the most mundane of circumstances have time and time again led to fatal conclusions in flight safety," he noted.
The report shows that investigations traced failure to observe safety rules, unauthorised operations and inadequate maintenance programme as key contributing factors.


Well...... seems even the common mwananchi is getting an upset stomach over this mess......KQ needs to reconsider the safety issue....We can't afford another Doula:sad::sad::sad:

...my two cents...

[Avionics2]

the credibility of the newspaper is always in question:yuk:..........they always come up with sweet propaganda.

[Ndicho Moja]

Many years ago, 1980/82 or there abouts, I had the opportunity to fly an NDB approach into Entebee during one of its notorious downpours. I still cannot get over the depth of the standing water on the runway.

The aircraft was only a small piston twin, Beech Baron, but the water was so deep it splashed forward from the wheels to where you could see it from the cockpit.

Just my thoughts.

Ndicho Moja.

[The Con]

I agree,let's stick to the facts.Fact,kq's had a concerning safety record in the recent past.Fact,the airlines safety dept has it documented. Whether or not they jotted it all down,the figures quoted are again of concern. It's time to close the loop. What's being done about it. Anyone?....if anything,for the punters sake

[OneGuy]

...back at the ranch, a Virgin Atlantic A340 sat grounded in HKMO due 2 engine FOD for 2 days after a botched landing attempt in heavy fog into HKJK followed by a "go around"... Turns out one main wheel was in the grass, marshallers in MBA report the aircraft was extremely muddy. Washed all day Sunday!

All hushed up... Left this morning as a ferry flight.

[Xtra]

Taxing on the Pride of Africa(737-700) on the 26th April for a 00:40 departure from FAJS both L/H MLG tires blew......this was the start of a horrendous trip which took 3 days to get to Lagos.... the worst thing is their terrible customer service and how pax get treated....never again KQ.

[JTrain]

Transferring through NBO is an absolutely nightmare. The lineups for the transfer desk can take up to three hours, as a friend of mine recently experienced. It is an absolutely outdated system that needs to be fixed. I don't know why SkyTeam let KQ join as an associate when their customer service standards are so mediocre.

JT

PS - Plus, of several friends who've recently transferred in NBO, all had their baggage delayed by laziness on the part of KQ rampers. Fortunately nothing was swiped. Its not that big an airport.....there is no excuse for a bag not making a connection with a 6 hour sit in NBO!

[yetanotherdawn]

Just to back up NM's comment, that runway has a nasty tendency to retain water. There is no "crowning" of the runway, no fall across the runway, no grooving and no drainage, at least there wasn't when I last visited. Water rapidly builds to a significant depth with the obvious promotion of aquaplaning. As always, everybody (not just posters here) has all sorts of explanations as to what should have been done after the event. I have no comment about the abilities or professionalism of KQ as I don't work for them or know enough about them, but they do not appear to have been enjoying the rub of the green lately. This incident, if such it was, might prompt the authority to do something about providing proper water-borne rescue facilities, bearing in mind that water is pretty close to both runway ends - perhaps not deep enough to cause too much of a problem to a wide-body (relatively speaking), but the smaller stuff could be a different story. Let's hope there never is a significant death toll from a future over-run - how many are needed to promote some improvement, I wonder?