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backseatjock
19th Apr 2008, 00:54
From Saturday’s edition of The Times:

Police to launch military-style spy planes

Airborne military technology developed to track the Taleban in Afghanistan will be deployed in England to spot muggers, stolen cars and even illegal immigrants arriving by sea.

Police forces in Kent and Essex have begun a development project with BAE Systems, Europe’s largest defence company, to make unmanned aerial vehicles (UAVs) part of their arsenals.

BAE’s high endurance rapid technology insertion vehicle (Herti) aircraft has been used by the British military in Afghanistan to direct bombing raids and to follow the Taleban back to their bases. Some UAVs operating in Iraq and Afghanistan have been fitted with missiles that are capable of destroying enemy units when they are uncovered.

Police commanders hope that such military-grade equipment will be capable of automatically detecting crimes from the air and then directing ground forces to investigate further.

BAE’s work with the Kent and Essex forces, called the South Coast Partnership, is part of a wider strategy that the company is adopting to move from pure defence into security. BAE wants to generate up to £300 million a year from civilian security operations, such as providing UAVs and monitoring the surveillance feeds from closed-circuit television cameras.

Alison Woods, BAE’s strategy director, said: “We have the kit and we have the skills that are relevant to the security sector and our intention is to build on that.”

A number of police forces, including Merseyside and Strathclyde, have already deployed remote-controlled aircraft as spy-in-the-sky drones. They are used typically to monitor crime scenes and can be programmed to operate within a certain area using GPS navigation.

However, modern military UAVs are significantly more advanced and can change their missions to pursue a perceived threat or a criminal.
BAE has begun to work with the police to determine how the Herti can be used by officers. Some test flights are expected within three years.

The biggest hurdle that the technology faces is getting approval from the Civil Aviation Authority to use civilian airspace. This is particularly important in the South East, given the proximity of Gatwick, Stansted and other airports.

Richard Williams, BAE’s director of civil autonomous systems, said: “UAV capabilities are already available to the military and many of the same capabilities are desirable to the police. UAVs offer police the option of persistent surveillance, keeping a set of eyes open over a large area.”
BAE hopes that through the South Coast Partnership it will be able to develop Herti for civilian applications for the 2012 Olympic Games when they are held in London.

UAVs have a big advantage over traditional helicopter surveillance as they can stay in the air for up to 24 hours, depending on the equipment carried, rather than only two or three. In addition, they are much smaller and quieter than helicopters and military versions have been fitted with sensors to detect radiation, chemical and biological emissions.

Other defence companies, including Qinetiq and Thales UK, are developing UAV technologies. Thales won a £800 million contract two years ago to build 54 Watchkeeper UAVs, which will provide battlefield intelligence to the Army. Thales said that it was considering how the technology could be used in the civilian sector.

Critics said that such monitoring would add to concerns that Britain was becoming a surveillance society.

Shami Chakrabarti, the director of Liberty, the human rights group, said: “It’s a grave step in any democracy to use military surveillance methods against your own peacetime population. Where is the lawful authority for this policy? When was the parliamentary debate? A paradigm shift in privacy protection can’t be left to cosy little deals between big business and local police.”

Not to be messed with
Payload: 150kg, including full motion video, infrared sensor, three still cameras. Options include synthetic aperture radar, a target geo-location capability, target designation systems, electronic and signals intelligence sensors
Wingspan: 8m
Flight time: 20 hours
Weight: approx 750kg
Armament: up to four missiles and one 70mm cannon
Missions: Helmand, Afghanistan

MightyGem
19th Apr 2008, 07:37
Police forces in Kent and Essex have begun a development project with BAE Systems, Europe’s largest defence company, to make unmanned aerial vehicles (UAVs) part of their arsenals.
Yeah, yeah. :hmm:

L J R
19th Apr 2008, 07:42
There is a thread in the Mil Av Forum that also started today saying that the UK lost a UAV. Good timing I guess...or Did the Police shoot it down in order to get their hands on a second hand one?

BEagle
19th Apr 2008, 07:53
It's a good job that they aren't considering manned aircraft for the task...

Everyone knows that Pigs Can't Fly!

L J R
19th Apr 2008, 08:01
Actually:

http://www.f-111.net/movies.htm

Some of them still can.


.....aaah memories....

GOLF_BRAVO_ZULU
19th Apr 2008, 08:41
BEagle. Not strictly true but remember what happend when they did? http://www.aaib.dft.gov.uk/publications/formal_reports/1_1986_g_katy.cfm

delta96
19th Apr 2008, 11:30
This one was doing OK untill it clipped the trees on late final....http://the.honoluluadvertiser.com/dailypix/2002/Dec/11/guam2_b.jpg

brakedwell
19th Apr 2008, 14:01
Must have run out of grunt! :ooh:

A2QFI
20th Apr 2008, 09:33
My local council has just raised the policing element of the council tax by 85%! For this they have a new £10 million HQ which they have to shut at lunchtime as they don't have the staff to man it; at 2 months old it was partially redecorated to cater for the visit of a very minor Royal and I still don't see a policeman on foot patrol anywhere that I go in the county, town or village!

Gainesy
20th Apr 2008, 16:31
That there is what happens when you feed your pigs on sprouts.:uhoh:

Green Flash
20th Apr 2008, 19:12
Armament: up to four missiles and one 70mm cannon

Ferk me! Plod is getting serious, then!::ooh:\ Even the Yanks need the AC-130's to mount some heavy artillery. I wonder what UAV can take the recoil from a 70mm?:eek:

ShyTorque
20th Apr 2008, 20:31
I hope they can get a rule 5 exemption for it. It will have to be twin engined, of course.

Cypherus
22nd Apr 2008, 10:31
I for one would be pleased to see a UAV circling above my Sussex estate, folks here have considered calling Uncle Sam to come deal with the insurgents currently running riot around this place.

GOLF_BRAVO_ZULU
22nd Apr 2008, 18:00
First, though, better check that the House insurance will cover the collateral damage.