White Pilots Association

[dnk]

Anyone interested in forming a White Pilots Association?

Before any mods decide to delete this post - This is apparently perfectly acceptable in South Africa (re: The Black Journalists Meeting (http://blogs.thetimes.co.za/politicallycorrect/2008/02/22/blacks-only-invite-slammed/))

This group is specifically targeted to white pilots flying in the african region. Everyone is welcome to apply for membership, but if you do not meet our strict criteria, I am afraid you will be rejected.

I have no political agenda, nor am I a racist, I would just like to test the waters out there and see if I am indeed living in a non-segregated, non-racial south africa.

If I am, then I will not be allowed to form such a ridiculous group, if I am not, then please welcome the clowns, they do a wicked juggling act.

[cavortingcheetah]

:hmm:

South Africa at the moment is full of something called BEE. This is an absolutely non rascist concept which translates as Black Economic Empowerment. Since this is government policy and thus officially sanctioned, any white pilots association could fall within the concept of WEE, White Economic Empowerment. We could take this one step further in the spirit of BEE, or WEE, and promote MEE, Male Economic Empowerment.
Therefore, by a not too draconian a step of the imagination and, still falling within South African government sanctioned guidelines, we could have WAPEE, White Male Pilot Economic Empowerment. Therefore a WMPA or White male Pilots Association would fall neatly under the employment law criteria inherently expressed in WAPEE.
The role model for many South African women is Manto Tshabalala-Msimang, the Minister of Health, who believes that beetroot cures AIDS. It is rumoured that she recently spent time recovering from a liver transplant operation at the Wits Donald Gordon Hospital, Johannesburg, breaking in her new liver even before the old cirrhotic one had gone up the smokey chimney. No doubt WMPA, on medical advice, would like to distance itself from any form of alcohol abuse and would thus be able to justify its single sex requirement on the basis that it wished to dissassociate itself from any government sanctioned programme of alcohol abuse and thus remain uncontaminated by the pernicious spiritual poison which the white man had introduced to Africa in the first place, to the great detriment of the native population.:confused:

[Solid Rust Twotter]

Why lower yourself to the level of racists like that in the first place?

[cavortingcheetah]

:hmm:

Can't be quite sure that such proposals lower oneself to any sort of level. Rather, perhaps, they take judicious and meaningful advantage of the fundamental cornerstone on which the new rainbow nation has, in practical economic form, been founded and at the end of which, the rainbow that is, one may find black diamonds aplenty?:D

[Insane]

Well put Solid. A person can so easily lose the plot if you allow yourself to be influenced by such things as this forum that every one is talking about. Flying is flying and should be enjoyed:ok:!

[MachWarp]

Bank account details please!!!!:D

[Solid Rust Twotter]

Nothing to do with flying, Insane. There's just no point emulating a racially based organisation. Why compound the problem by adding to the number of racist entities?

[cavortingcheetah]

:hmm:

This is not so!
The Black Journalist Association and, were it formed, the White Pilots' Association or even the White Male Pilots' Association bear and would bear no resemblance whatsoever to rascialism or racial policies, topics which are an absolute no go on Pprune anyway.
What we are talking about here is surely protectionism in the work place. Parallels may be drawn between BALPA and BA or working within a trade union without a trade union membership card. Such protectionism is inherent within the labour force policies and politics of any socialist based democracy, or pseudo-democracy for that matter.
Therefore, in such a state system, any form of segregation which seeks to champion the interests of any minority group must surely be applauded as such actions, reflective of minority advancement, stand as one of the foundation stones of all the great democracies of the past, from ancient Greece,and the United States to that paragon of 21st century democracy, The United Kingdom, where minority rights are so frequently brought to the fore, as may be seen in the advancement of immigrant groups, so often even to the detriment of the natural citizens of that country. It is, of course, a system to be greatly applauded:p

[dnk]

Cheetah - what did you eat a dictionary for breakfast?

[cavortingcheetah]

:hmm:

Any frequent visitor to these pages will enlighten all and sundry to the fact that cheetah is well known for his erudite use of what passes within the masses for the English language and idiom.
The number of posts attributed to poor old cc is far less than his actual tally of vocabularised offerings but the great powers in the towers have expressed their disinclination to right that manifest injustice.
Furthermore, where I find myself at the moment, dictionaries are in short supply as indeed is any form of linguistic intellectualism. Indeed, further to another post on this Forum, dealing with the application of 'foot' and 'feet', may I direct your attention to the following website...

http://www.amfpa.com/html/show.php?lang=2

Such dexterous ambiguity reflects real progress in the evolutionary pathway of mankind and it can surely only be a matter of time before pilots, as well as demonstrating a sufficent command of the English language to satisfy the Chinese, are required to provide proof of such talents?:rolleyes:

[merlinxx]

You write just as did a chap I met back in '69 in the 'Dambuster's' at Wilson in NBO, maybe he was your Papa or Grand Papa. Keep up the good work.

[gabon flyer 2]

Hello fellow aviators

I feel very sad to read a post title like this one and just want to remind you that a certain political leader was also totally well accepted in germany in 1933....we all know the rest of this story!
Like i read in a previous post flying is flying and it should just be enjoy .
Happy contrails

[cavortingcheetah]

:hmm:


It's very kind of you to say so merlinxx. Truth to tell, I was briefly at Wilson in 1970. I was but a fesh faced young lecher in those days. There was a lass in Nairobi who had a tame cheetah and perhaps those tender remembrances of attempted seduction with third party bed mates is more than a trifle responsible for the cognomen under which I pen my prose.

It is with great difficulty that one attempts to imagine a connection between my friend Adolph and the scribblings which that gone before. I suppose that as we have discussed socialism in one form or another; it is reasonable to conjecture that any similarity lies in the fact that little Adolph was in fact the leader of a Socialist party.
There is a syndrome, the name of which escapes one, which predicts the predictability with which someone will raise the matter of our previous German connections. But if one wishes to raise conjectural similariteis between German leaders of the past and the likes of Herr. J. Zuma, far be it from me to stand in the way of the progress of judicious comparison. Mind you though, when Herr Zuma becomes Fuhrer of South Africa it is unlikely that he will be able to do as much for the South African air force as jolly old son of Anton did for the German.
There, that's put the whole thread back on an aviation footing and as such, the moderators should now be ecstatically mollified.:ooh:

[chuks]

We have enough trouble as things now stand with operating in the Third World without someone taking the lid off this box of troubles.

I had my fill of people in Nigeria seeming to think there was one standard for the natives and another for everyone else. There would be the odd shouting match on the Tower freq. there at Lagos over such issues as "right-of-way" when it turned out that it was actually the aircraft on the left that had the r.-o.-w. depending on who was driving - same as out there on the Agege Motor Road, actually!

Even as a joke to bring this up is just insane. Funny, okay, but mainly something to shove to the back of the stove, I think.

You guys in SA sure do have more than your share of trouble coming up, I think. It's a real shame that just as you are making such progress in overcoming all the problems fostered by white racism since 1947, at least, here come rather predictable problems from the other end of the racial spectrum.

We are agog at the spectacle of a man who thinks that taking a shower is the way to avoid a rather severe case of "Cupid's measles". This is your new Head of State in waiting? Good luck with this one!

I think it's going to get worse before it gets better as your wasters all fight to get their trotters into the trough, and what you can do about that is a very good question! There's an automatic assumption that you are all "rooinecks" down there, so that making jokes like this one really is playing with fire. You must be able to find a better way forward than this because it just plays to the stereotype.

[Gooneybird]

I always thought rooinecks was an Afrikaans derogative term for English people?

[Request FL510]

I must say that I had to read the posts more than once just to get all the fun out out of it...was like reading an Asterix book...you see something new every time you read it.

Yes, I am white, male and also hail from the lovely sunny SA. And no, I am not a racist (although it seems that merely being white and a speaker of an indigenous African language qualifies you as such). To be totally honest though, I am sick and tired of some people trying to make me feel ashamed because I am male and pale. They can try all the like, but I still have a sense of humour and as such I still enjoy some political satire...lighten up, for cryig out loud...

Sorry to see that we are not allowed to make fun of our occupation and laugh at our own political situations. Thank heavens that Zapiro is not a pilot...he would have been lynched by now.

OK, now I'll sit back and wait for the incoming rockets....

[chuks]

I agree 100% that it's a shame that the PC brigade have no sense of humour but there you are. It's an unfortunate fact of life that if you are melanin-deficient in Africa then you are already behind some sort of target.

Here it is just a case of "Know your enemy," I think. I guarantee that some ignoramus journo will pick up on this soonest and treat it as straight news, when everyone will be stuck trying to explain the concept of "satire" to people with no sense of humour.

"Someone is starting a WPA," but never mind, it is just a joke. Your average man in the African street is going to go with this as straight news from South Africa or ...

Try your favourite "Hitler jokes" in Germany, for instance and see how far you get with that then check back with me. Here you want to joke about racism with black racists? Better you than me, brother!

Ah, I was mis-translating there, thinking of our American "rednecks", meaning simply uneducated whitemen, automatically thought to be racist. My mistake. So what, "boers"? You know what I mean, I think.

You guys are out there on thin ice so tread lightly, same as Yankee me with that idiot for a Prez, G.W. Bush, when I have to lay off the jihad jokes.

[ALPHA FLOOR]

I find this thread in poor taste and absolutly no good will come from it, only hurt and hatred.

I hope that some sence and good judgement will prevail.

Dont drag us down that dark road again...........

[4HolerPoler]

Thread closed. There's no room on this site or in our industry for profiling based on the colour of one's skin.

Stick to aviation. Without this racial claptrap.

4HP