CHC Interview

[xtremalsound]

HI GUYS:

I'm writing this post because i sended my Cv to CHC helicopters and they'll do a interviem and test in nexts weeks and i should know about it.If anybody did it, please has said me some details.

Thanks

[WylieCoyote]

I and quite a few others went through CHC selection a while ago in Aberdeen,I was not successfull but I'm not bitter before anyone asks! I would imagine you'll go through a similiar process (if it's still in place), conducted by a couple of Norwegian dudes whoses names I forget,psychometric tests in the morning,discussion of your results with one of the Norwegians and tell me aboot your farder...type questions.:hmm:
Followed by another interview with a Pilot type.
My advise would be remember your been interviewed from the word go! That means those so called informal chats at morning tea and lunch,brush up on your basic PofF for the Pilot type interview and learn to understand Norwegian whilst ticking boxes with a pen in both hands!
If you get through that very well done! Then I believe you get a sim ride, but I'm sure someone else who is not bitter and twisted and sat thinking about what to have for dinner whilst tooling about in their Puma can tell you....only joking.........it's golf their thinking about!

Good Luck you'll need it!

[helimutt]

Oh dont be like that. You must have had suicidal tendencies not to get through? :E

Actually, it's a walk in the park. (for sadists)

Generally as above but just be yourself. You too, could find yourself behind the sticks of an old S76, out over the bleak North Sea. Great!

[Variable Load]

xtremalsound are you going for an interview with one of the European flavours of CHC, or is it CHC Global in Vancouver? The two organisations handle their own recruiting very differently :hmm:

[xtremalsound]

Guys, thank for all, i'll do better that i can do it.
About the last question i don't know what CHC will do it.

[fluffy5]

I will say this again as it has been brought up before. If the two norwegien testers are still doing aberdeen. you can see them in norway, pay them some money and if you pass, then you take the same test in aberdeen with the same chaps. Have it on good authority from norway, where young pilots think about paying for their I.R. go and see them to see if they got what it takes.
if you ask me how to get hold of them I don't know now. but it is a slight grey area, not that I'm bitter and I did not get in.:{

[xtremalsound]

I'm thinking if i want to pass the exam I must to pay them
Is it correct? does Anybody know how to do it?
Thanks

[helimutt]

fluffy5, with an attitude like that it doesn't surprise me you didn't get in. CHC appear to be quite thorough in their efforts to recruit people who they feel can come up to their standards. You sure seem bitter to me.

Don't go start saying things like 'if you pay these two guys you can then get through easier.' I think CHC would be interested to know about it. Maybe CHC bosses read this and will now know what's being said??

[Variable Load]

xtremalsound, where are you going for the interview?

If you are going to Aberdeen or Stavanger then you will go through the process already described by WylieCoyote.

If you have been invited to Vancouver the process is a little different and I can tell you a bit more!

Please ignore the ramblings of fluffy5 :=

[the beater]

As I read and understand it, what Fluffy 5 said was 'if you pass'. What he means, surely, is that you can undertake the test before going into the selection process, paying for it yourself in order to determine whether you are likely to pass should you be selected for interview. This will, naturally help you decide whether to spend a lot of money on an IR. Sounds perfectly reasonable to me. Nothing dodgy at all! In fact, if that is the case, you'd be :mad: not to.

[120torque]

Im with fluffy on this one aswell. If you are investing upwards of 40k on an IR just to work on north sea then having a good idea that you will get through CHC selection seems very very sensible.

[WylieCoyote]

Fluffy is simply passing on a rumour as far as I can see,shocker! On a rumour network as well! The bare faced cheek!
If you can do a similiar test before doing the real thing then that wouldn't be that removed from been able to do the RAF tests at Cranwell before selection proper, as I am led to believe that many Air Cadet units do.In fact they proactively coach anyone wishing to go for selection and they are not the only ones, OATS used to offer a similiar interview brushup for many of the Airline bods going for interview.
And to answer your question I wasn't suicidal,I just took it on the chin,they were right I didn't fit the profile which at the end of the day you can do bugger all about.

[northseaspray]

you can see them in norway, pay them some money and if you pass, then you take the same test in aberdeen with the same chaps. Have it on good authority from norway, where young pilots think about paying for their I.R. go and see them to see if they got what it takes.


Fluffy's got it right, anyone can book a private test in Oslo. CHC, like many others, are simply just buying the services of a company that conducts testing and screening of people. The Norwegian armed forces seems to be the biggest customer. Norsk Helikopter also uses the very same services.

http://www.aff.no/aff/lnnyhet.nsf/wPrId/11777E8D8E6B23FCC12572F900490497!OpenDocument


another company doing the same thing:
http://www.siap.no/

[helimutt]

So hang on, let me get this straight. You pay someone to do a test on you to see if you pass before going for the same test, provided free by the company interviewing you? Why spend the extra money? You don't need to.
Can someone please tell me why you would waste money? What difference does it make if you fail at interview? You didn't get the job, move on. Try again.
Knowing what I know now, I wouldn't go out and pay for an IR before securing employment either.

I always thought that each interview I did could be used as a lesson for the next one that came along.
CHC is one of the only 3 NS companies using the psycho blah blah testing processes on new recruits. I know a few people who didnt get through selection but they were bloody good pilots and decent people too.

You pays your money and takes your choice.

[BaronG]

So hang on, let me get this straight. You pay someone to do a test on you to see if you pass before going for the same test, provided free by the company interviewing you? Why spend the extra money? You don't need to.
Can someone please tell me why you would waste money? What difference does it make if you fail at interview? You didn't get the job, move on. Try again.
Knowing what I know now, I wouldn't go out and pay for an IR before securing employment either.

Let's not get confused by what happens here - there seems to be a (not so) subtle implication that people are in some way cheating by seeing the psychologist outside the CHC process.

The psychologists involved are doctors and the tests they conduct supposedly test the various personality traits found to be useful in commercial pilots (you know, spatial awareness, problem solving, prioritisation etc) - the tests are similar to (and in some cases copies of) those used by various armed forces.

The psychologists provide a service to CHC to test candidates against various criteria (and to provide a pschological evaluation) and they offer that service to individuals too (for a charge of around 800 Euro).

If you go privately and do the test, then you don't need to sit the CHC test since you are already on file (presumably as a pass or you wouldn't be there) just like if you'd given a DNA sample to a private doctor and then went to a public hospital. The test isn't done twice - just once.

While in the ideal circumstance you're right about not committing to an IR without a job, that isn't how the employers see it. Most of them (CHC, Bristow et al) hold out for an IR in the same way as they hold out for a CPL and an hour requirement - they'll hire what the job market can provide. When there are no candidates with IRs, they'll provide them - if it one day gets too expensive to do a CPL, they'll have to provide those and so on.

As it stands you can get closer to a position by having your IR in hand when applying but you don't want to pay for an IR before knowing you can pass the entrance tests...

The way I did it was as you describe - I sat the CHC interview (literally the week) before the IR course, and got a pass. Did the IR and then after that did the CHC Sim. Test. Not everyone gets to do it this way - partly because of the timing involved (you need to book an IR nearly a year in advance in the UK right now) and partly because CHC don't have to offer an entrance test to everyone who applies - you might not get invited without an IR, but with one you may be more interesting to them.

So there are several reasons why people might pay for the Psychologist test up front, and it can save them money longer term - bear in mind for some people CHC may (appear to) be the only practical employer. It may also serve as a guide that if they cannot get through the CHC process maybe something beyond their control will preclude them from completing the IR or getting work at one of the other operators.

BG.

[Camp Freddie]

some of you guys are making something simple complicated, fluffy5 has got the idea.

1)do the test privately answer the questions, do the tasks- if you pass great
2)do the test again with CHC paying - same test same result presumably

no cheating, no funny business, you are just getting a heads up whether you are suitable or not in advance.

regards

CF

[tu154]

Don't know where the myth of the 1 yr waiting list for IR is coming from.

[3per]

He still hasn't told us which CHC he is interviewing with?

Anyone out there currently working for CHC? Thoughts on your experience?

[Variable Load]

Hi Camp Freddie, you said

some of you guys are making something simple complicated, fluffy5 has got the idea.

1)do the test privately answer the questions, do the tasks- if you pass great
2)do the test again with CHC paying - same test same result presumably

no cheating, no funny business, you are just getting a heads up whether you are suitable or not in advance.

Whilst I don't have a problem with the concept of what you are saying, why would anyone go to the expense of paying to travel to Norway and have the tests done privately. If you've got what it takes (or even if you don't!!), then just let CHC pay for it? Or am I missing something :hmm:

[the beater]

Variable Load;
you're missing something.
If, for example, two pilots turn up both of whom are suitable, then if one of them has an IR, he* will have the advantage. Paying for an IR is expensive and isn't a guarantee that you will get in as you might not fit the profile that CHC are looking for. So your best bet is make sure that you meet the profile, get an IR, apply for the job and get it. You could, of course, hope that the other candidates don't have an IR but the way things are, more and more pilots are self-funding their IR in order to make them more likely to get in.
I know of pilots that have gained their IR and then found that they did not meet the profile required. Good handling skills and experience are not as important to the big companies as good CRM.
Handling will improve over time, but if you have a forty-odd year old 7000 hr co-pilot, they need to make sure that he can deal with sitting next to a 22 year old 3000 hr captain. Don't think about any other gradients; it's the cockpit one that really matters.

*male pronoun used throughout, but applicable to those females also crazy enough to want to go out in that environment in that kind of weather.

[the beater]

Blue pens and red pens? What's all that about? Next thing, they'll be asking you to recite the alphabet backwards whilst completing a dot-to-dot puzzle!
Only joking, I'm sure it's not that bad; although an acquaintance that did the test told me that he was asked whether or not he'd like to sh@g his step-daughter. I haven't got a step-daughter, so I suppose that that leaves me at a disadvantage. Does wanting to sh@g your friend's step-daughter count? And do you get extra points if you have?:E
Does anyone know what else is involved?
Sounds mental.:\

[madman1145]

For those fellows who need to know what the psychometric test is all about, there was an article in a norwegian flight magazine from the shrinks themself, describing pretty much the whole deal (so no secrets) - but you have to read norwegian to understand it ..

Never the less, check my website www.madman.dk and click on "Pilot Education" - then click the button "Test and Interview" under Part III - you might find what you need to know what it's all about when it comes to the psychometric tests - and in English - unless they have changed the tests the last year or so ..

Concerning the sim-test - well, pretty much asked to do the same as when taking an IR test plus an engine failure ..
What they are looking for there is beside your handling and skills, your co-work with the other pilot (you are the skipper in the sim) ..
And show up rested and fresh, because finding yourself in a S61 sim and having to perform your best takes strength - don't do like me meeting in the morning after getting up at night, taking a trainride and flight to Stavanger only having had some 4 hours of sleep - that can fail you :ugh: ..

And about taking the shrink test before hand - well, don't you think you will be evaluated harder when you show up at the same shrink taking a similary test you just took previously. I think so - might not be in your favor :hmm: ..

- madman - passed shrink, failed sim, can apply later ..

[rileyemi]

Common guys (and Gals) its not that tough. Just did my interview about three weeks ago at YVR. Very straight forward. Interview with HR, tests and eval with the Shrink and left the next day. Was offered a position as a Captain one week later. Just waiting for my start date. Sim time is at a premium. If you have any type of solid flying background (rotor wing) and a little bit of common sense it should be a slam dunk. Can't speak for the European side of CHC.
Cheers
RE:ok:

[Pandalet]

Madman1145 - excellent site, with some fantastic info. I loved the 'jumpseating the NS' page!