Cpl Qualifying Cross Country

[captain_rossco]

Afternoon all,

In Flordia at the moment and planning on hammering out the 300nm qual cross country tomorrow, I checked here http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthread.php?t=305971&highlight=qualifying+cross for the requirments but to no avail, might anyone be able to give me a quick heads up as to whats required as i can't download LASORS due to my laptop being Adobe Acrobat-ist, (Bloody thing).

Thanks Folks.

Kind Regards

CR

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[wangus]

ii. 20 hours of VFR cross-country flight time as
Pilot-in-Command, including a cross-country
flight totalling at least 540 km (300 nm) in the
course of which full-stop landings at two
aerodromes different from the aerodromes of
departure shall be made.

That's pasted from LASORS. When I did mine two years ago quite a few people contradicted each other with "requirements". I took the approach of flying as near as possible to an Isosceles or Equilateral triangle, so CAA wouldn't find some reason to question it. (I wouldn't recommend flying 50 miles south, 100 miles north, than 50 south to base if you know what I mean.) That said the paragraph in LASORS is brief. Good luck.

[Cabbage crates]

G'day

The one I did was Komn - Kendall Tamiami - Keywest.
That would qualify you for CPL on its own , let alone the return flight

The return flight was supposed to be via Naples but in the end I didn't fancy flying over the Everglades in a single at night !

Look after 5 SA for me , or are you back in 94430 ?

[will fly for food 06]

I'm not sure if this has been done on here before but I will suggest it anyway. How about people who have been issued a CPL post what route they did for the 300nm cross country? This may help wannabes with choosing a route of sufficient length and try to help getting their application not being rejected by the CAA.

[captain_rossco]

I'm in 215 sierra alpha, although 44930 is definitely due a bashing at some point, good show!

Kind Regards


CR

[fadge]

Is there any requirement regarding proof of doing your CPL x country qualifier. Do you need to get anything stamped or signed at the airports you stop at to show the CAA that you have actually been to these places?

[will fly for food 06]

Mine was just written in my logbook. I didnt get anything signed by the airfields but did keep a copy of my plog and map just in case.

[Keygrip]

Why bugger about with minimum length short hops in the sunshine when racking up 100 hours?

Take the aircraft and Foxtrot Oscar somewhere challenging.

Do Florida to Los Angeles - it's over 300 miles and you may actually learn something.

Get INSIDE controlled airspace, TALK to ATC (not avoid), turn the GPS OFF and learn how to read the flaming map in the JAA way.

Nominate your headings and altitudes and stay within 5 degrees and/or 500 feet. If you can't maintain it, consider your X country a personal fail.

You're not ready for the CPL course.

It's supposed to be "experience building" not minimum hour building to attend a minimum time course of training.

<rant off, I'm trying to help>

[First.officer]

Don't think CR is suggesting anything other than an interest in the LASOR's requirements for the Qualifier Keygrip - your post seemed a little harsh considering the helpful replies he's getting - or have i totally mis-interpreted your reply ??? apologies if so !

FO

[captain_rossco]

"Why bugger about with minimum length short hops in the sunshine when racking up 100 hours?

Take the aircraft and Foxtrot Oscar somewhere challenging.

Do Florida to Los Angeles - it's over 300 miles and you may actually learn something.

Get INSIDE controlled airspace, TALK to ATC (not avoid), turn the GPS OFF and learn how to read the flaming map in the JAA way.

Nominate your headings and altitudes and stay within 5 degrees and/or 500 feet. If you can't maintain it, consider your X country a personal fail.

You're not ready for the CPL course.

It's supposed to be "experience building" not minimum hour building to attend a minimum time course of training."


I couldn't agree more, now if only i could get the flying school to set make a special arrangement JUST for me to take a plane for that long and not have to share with the other students, thanks to that lotto win, after having already done £20k on my training I can EASILY afford the accomodation en route to California too!

Mr Keygrip we have met, I agree, a fantastic idea, it is but in the time frame i might just struggle! I also would agree that minimums are just that, and although I am aware that the trip must be at least 300nm, my question leant more towards land aways, straight route distances etc rather than trying to cut any corners.

See you in Phoenix!


Kind Regards

CR

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[EK4457]

Besides, for the CAA, it all has to be done in one day (unless you can prove wx/tech probs caused an overnight stay somewhere). I've just done 2 CPL QCX's in the UK in the last week.

First: Barton - White Waltham - Blackpool - Barton. 320 nm.

Second: Blackpool - Shobdon - Perranporth - Blackpool. Around 500 nm.

It is a bit of a struggle to get back for last landings this time of the year. I'd have loved to have done Lands End to John 'o Groats but you have to make do with the resources, weather and opportunites available at the time.

I completely agree with KG about not aiming for minimum requirements all the time though. Make it as challenging as you can, eg no radio nav aids or GPS. Hold altitude, heading and airspeed. Adjust accordingly and get those ETAs bang on.

EK