AFPRB 2008 Rumours anyone?

[TheBeeKeeper]

Starter for ten!

Gordon Brown braced for fight over forces pay! (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml;jsessionid=NETD1MHLS3VMHQFIQMFSFFWAVCBQ0IV0?xml=/news/2008/01/05/narmy105.xml)

TBK

[Lurking123]

There was a time when the military didn't used to worry too much about pay; the overall 'package' and lifestyle was more than enough compensation. The very fact that we are now reduced to bickering over tenths of a percent says a lot to me. Governments have consistently failed to acknowledge the importance of the military and other public services. No single pay award will recover that lost ground.

[lampeterexile]

Will be below the rate of inflation, which would equate to a drop in pay :mad:

[airborne_artist]

You would expect that he'd accept the AFPRB report in full, and award as suggested by the board. Anything less could backfire badly against Broon.

Much as I'd like everyone to get a decent pay rise, I hope he's stupid enough to be a tight @rse, and then suffer the backlash as the voters turn against him.

[Epimetheus]

I think Lurking said it all, close the thread now.

Now where did my psychological contract go ............ ?

[Kitbag]

I hope he's stupid enough to be a tight @rse, and then suffer the backlash as the voters turn against him.


Unfortunately the next bout of 'democracy' won't happen for at least two years and I'm afraid the Great British voter (a seperate species to the Great British citizen, related to 'the man in the street', prone to being hypnotised by spin doctors and easily distracted by shiny promises or big headlines) has an attention/memory span rather shorter than a retarded goldfish.


Oops am I being too cynical?

[c130jbloke]

Best of luck - hope you get a big one (6 %).

That said, it's not the pay rise that is the problem - it's the back door raises in living expenses (SFA + PAYD) that really kill the deal. :*

[Roland Pulfrew]

I heard that we were getting 20% across the board, no rises in SFA/SLA and that PAYD was to be sh1tcanned.........


















Well it is a rumour network, isn't it? ;) I know, I'll get my coat. Taxi for one!

[LFFC]

Do I detect an echo?

Next Year's Pay Award (http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthread.php?t=304327&highlight=rise&page=3)- PPrune

[Ogre]

Much as I hate to admit it, the best payrise I when I was in the mob was just after GW1. We got a whopping rise which was something like 10 or 12%. God bless Maggie T!

[enginesuck]

If he can afford 50 million in aid to China (one of the richest countries in the world) And five hundred and something million to India (a growing economy and one of the emerging superpowers in the east) He can bloody well chuck us a few quid thats for sure and he can backdate the coppers pay rise whilst he at it, he is not going to get very far by treating his public service like naughty children.

[NickGooseBrady]

Real inflation is running at more like 20%. As you all know the Government massage this figure by gradually removing everything that really matters (fuel costs, housing etc). I suspect that it won't be long before they remove the cost of food from the equation. How they calcualte our pay and the "X Factor" must change to take these real rises into effect. Another 2.5% rise would be a total piss take and the gap between wages and real cost of living+being in the military+stealth taxes+massaged methods of taking away from our allowances = Clucking big Gap.

I'm off on a career break as of 4 April anyway, still much increased wages for 4 days would be very handy!

NGB

[threeputt]

G'Day, I think you will find that Mrs T's pay rise was just after she came to power in 1979/80. It was a wopper and much appreciated.

3P:ok:

[airborne_artist]

The pay rise in 1979 was of the order of 35%. My pay went from £2,600 to £4,500 in the space of six weeks, as I also picked up an annual increment and started receiving flying training pay.

Beer was about 35p/pint :ok:

[Once A Brat]

Sorry Threeputt, Orge is right we did recieve a 12% pay rise just after GW1 to recognise our operational efforts of the past year!! Good for me too since I was promoted that year as well when promotion meant a decent pay rise not like in these post "Pay2000 days!"

That said, I believe you're right about the 35% pay rise in the late seventies to bring military pay back in line with our civilian counterparts, only I can't remember it as I was still at school :)


Once a brat, always a brat..........................Trenchard's finest

[backTOfront]

What we need to do is band with the police. Now it is still illegal to rip songs from cd to an ipod in the UK.

http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20080108-uk-wants-to-make-cd-rips-legal-at-last.html

Now it has been reported that old GB has an iPod and put songs on it from the Beetles, The Rolling Stones to Coldplay and U2!

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/politics/article1582428.ece

So anyone want to pass these details on to the police? Could be a way to bend his arm to pay us public servants what we are worth! :E

[backTOfront]

hmmmmmmmmmmm, take this..

http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2006/apr/30/news.consumernews

then add this

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/politics/article1582428.ece

anyone think this could be useful to the Police and our cause?

[mustflywillfly]

hmmmmmmmmmmm

http://www.macworld.co.uk/ipod-itune...pe=allchandate (http://www.macworld.co.uk/ipod-itunes/news/index.cfm?newsid=17630&pagtype=allchandate)

then add this

http://www.macworld.co.uk/ipod-itune...pe=allchandate (http://www.macworld.co.uk/ipod-itunes/news/index.cfm?newsid=17630&pagtype=allchandate)

anyone think this could be useful to the Police and our cause?

Errrrrr..... how exactly will these revelations help us? Very old news.

Now if it had been a link to photos of Brown giving Blair a good stuffing with Swiss Des looking on in a sweat then we might have something :}

[backTOfront]

sorry mustflywillfly, didnt post the correct links, edited and fixed now

[airborne_artist]

The 1979 pay rise was the amount advised by the AFPRB or its predecessor. The Callaghan govt said they would stage it over two years, as they had done in previous years, and the Thatcher-led Tory opposition said they'd implement it in one stage.

The election was on 4th May 1979.

[formertonkaplum]

Someone...... on the inside......... Must know the recommendations ?


Come on now.... this is annoymous.... Let us in on the Bad News of what the Un-Elected PM wants to do to us this time !!

[Baskitt Kase]

Given that the MPs have just awarded themselves a 1.9% pay rise today*, I doubt that we will see much more. Though it could still be possible that we will get a 1.9% pay rise and a 'separate adjustment' of the X factor in light of entering in to 2 wars since it was last reviewed. That way, the govt could say that they continue to limit the public sector pay rises to below inflation whilst at the same time telling the public that they value the unique contribution of the military at these difficult times etc etc...






*Although I wouldn't be surprised if their allowances have gone up significantly on the QT.

[ScufferEng]

On a recent visit to paperclip castle at Innsworth, I heard rumblings along the lines of X factor being "adjusted" upwards! This in theory would be good news as it would benefit us financially and avoid a large "headline" percentage rise to keep the coppers and all public workers appeased.:ok:

[MReyn24050]

Given that the MPs have just awarded themselves a 1.9% pay rise today*,
*Although I wouldn't be surprised if their allowances have gone up significantly on the QT.

You were saying? Check out the link. It would appear in theory they could possibly claim up to £43,000 without providing receipts.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=510195&in_page_id=1770

[formertonkaplum]

Well. Why don't we all copy the link

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=510195&in_page_id=1770

Into an Email to our respective MP's and ask why we have to justify almost everything with JPA yet they can claim £43,000 without receipts?

I am about to, the more that do the more they might realise what spoilt W****RS they are and how badly they don't set the example.

[Doctor Cruces]

OK, so if everyone else's pay is going up by a trivial amount, how come Browns boys have decided that the unemployed and benefit scroungers need a 3.9 per cent rise?

Obviously in order to try and remove the differentials between those in work and those who don't want to.

The only mugs left in this country are those of us who are being robbed blind by this out of control bunch of looneys so they can give it away hand over fist to anyone else who wants it.

BAH!!

Doc C

[Biggus]

How about a 10% pay rise for the military, payable from 1 Feb 09.

So, only 2 months out of 12 means a 10% pay rise is only 1.4%(ish) over the year, below the governments target, but at the end of the financial year our base pay has gone up by 10%.

It works for me!

[blogger]

I have said this before the RAF can have a 14.6% pay rise funded by the cut of 6000 troops this year.

The RAF has been cut from 47,000 to 41,000 thats a lot of extra wages that are no longer being paid every week.........mine included

PVR you know it makes sence.

Want to save even more money just close Wyton and the waste of space IPT's

[advocatusDIABOLI]

Blogger,

You have a point about IPTs. A bit like Battle Plans......... Never survive first contact with the enemy (BAES)....

Advo

[Yeller_Gait]

How about a 10% pay rise for the military, payable from 1 Feb 09.

I like your logic, a bit like staged pay rises of old!

Does nothing for my pension which I start collecting in July this year though.

PVR, you know it makes sense!

Y_G

[Lima Juliet]

The AFPRB usually report in February - anyone any idea when?

[LFFC]

Everyone asked that question last year as well. I think it finally appeared sometime in March.

[Woody 281]

Still waiting for news on our huge pay rise? :ugh:

[L J R]

Woody,


huge pay rise?

You will be waiting a while me thinks...:bored:

[Secretsooty]

Enginessuck.....

"he is not going to get very far by treating his public service like naughty children."

But I've seen you in the pub, you naughty child! :)

Seriously, your statement was valid and I for one agree with you and hope the military, police etc get a decent pay rise. (especially the RAF 'cos that has a knock-on effect on my pension when I turn 55, LOL!)

Nil Desperandum Illigitimus Carborundum, mate!

[advocatusDIABOLI]

S-Sooty,

Sadly, it's too late for many, although your latin(ish) advice is well founded. I personally hope for: a better than inflation rise in 'X' Factor, complemented by a 1.9% basic increase. This allows: 1- The Idiots at the top to pretend they are being fair across the PS area, and 2- Highlight how much they think of the Armed forces (Which is little in reality).

'Win Win' in their Tiny minds. The systemic problems will continue however, with poor accom, tightened budgets, travel, hotels, food etc all hit to pay for the 'rises'.

Bottom line: It will be at NO COST. Gain = Loss (somewhere).

Still, could be worse, could be an MP who has just funded his kids through College using public funds......... that's gonna hurt! :eek:

Advo

[Arty Fufkin]

AIDU,

Are you saying that come Sept they are going to introduce the system that caused such a nightmare when it was trialed last year? Some people on my Squadron are still having their pay messed about with six months after the trial ended. Ater two failed attempts to get FSI allowances to run as actuals I would have thought is was time accept the current "rate" system is the only one fit for purpose.

[D-IFF_ident]

FWIW I think the 'pay rise' is quite easy to work out.

1.9% - but to make it over 3 years - so 5.7% spread over 3 years.

Stays in line with the government's proposals for 3 year public sector pay deals, keeps the 1.9% requirement and allows the eedjuts we work for to herald an "Interest busting Pay Rise for the Armed Forces - a whopping 5.7% spread over 3 years"

:cool:

If I'm wrong by more than 0.1% then I'll eat my hat!

[serf]

A little birdie tells me there may be a BIG flying pay rise.

[minigundiplomat]

A large hike in Flying Pay makes sense. It can be hidden from the 'Let's prevent inflation' brigade, whilst targeting some of the pinchpoint trades.

Notice I said 'some of the pinchpoint trades'. Not sure how they are going to tackle the wider dissatisfaction.

Anyway, seem to remember being told when pay2000 came in that flying pay was now to regarded as 'retention pay'. If it isn't retaining, it should be raised.

[Evalu8ter]

MGD agree,
However, is FP seen now as a retention measure at an Option point, or just to keep people in until an Option? I think that there are plenty of guys at around the 31-32 age group that are not interested in doing the bullsh1t required for promotion and do the maths regarding early Seniority in an airline and realise that the RAF just doesn't compare long term.

It would take a huge rise in flying pay / FRI to keep me at 38/16. Why? It's not (just!) that I'm greedy, but if Mrs Eval is to be content with me poking off to the Stan etc and the rigmerole of moving every 2-3 years (or me beanstealing) then we would need a degree of financial security that is simply not on the table, and is unlikely to be. Sorry, I'll take my gratuity and pension please.....

[Tourist]

You guys are aware that the RN never managed to escape from capped actuals, and have been on them full time since the beginning of this JPA cr@p.
And no, they don't get any better or easier.

[minigundiplomat]

MGD agree,
However, is FP seen now as a retention measure at an Option point, or just to keep people in until an Option? I think that there are plenty of guys at around the 31-32 age group that are not interested in doing the bullsh1t required for promotion and do the maths regarding early Seniority in an airline and realise that the RAF just doesn't compare long term.

It would take a huge rise in flying pay / FRI to keep me at 38/16. Why? It's not (just!) that I'm greedy, but if Mrs Eval is to be content with me poking off to the Stan etc and the rigmerole of moving every 2-3 years (or me beanstealing) then we would need a degree of financial security that is simply not on the table, and is unlikely to be. Sorry, I'll take my gratuity and pension please.....


Likewise. I'm off at my IPP in a couple of years.

[Anna Nomitta]

Audit Awaits!

I'll let you work out the anagram, AIDU.

[C4IONMYPC]

Announced in Parliment this morning and on the news in local area it is 2.6% and an increase in x-factor from 13% to 14% there is a pdf file on the mod web somewhere that has an 85 page PDF file which is the AFPRB report

[Seldomfitforpurpose]

Does this mean we can look forward to someone eating their hat..........Diff :D

[Climebear]

BBC News Report (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7232379.stm)

MOD News Article wuth linkl to full report (http://www.mod.uk/DefenceInternet/DefenceNews/DefencePolicyAndBusiness/PayRiseForEveryoneInTheArmedForces.htm)

Accn charge increases range from 0% (grade 4) to 3.7% (grade 1):rolleyes: