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man8
21st Dec 2007, 09:27
hey people, new ere!!

nigerian, looking to start flight school in 1st quart. of '08. i have an easier access to finance/sponsorship in the u.s but i`v being hearing employers prefer other licenses!! TRUE?

on a factfind in the uk, i visited a PPL training school n the owner literally told me d FAA license is CRAP compared to the JAA :confused:

If there r no issues with the FAA license, can i pls get 3 choices of good schools to go to in d u.s

S.A is also an option but financing`ll be harder

NEED HELP

chuks
21st Dec 2007, 14:11
I think that someone telling you that an FAA licence is crap, in so many words, well, look elsewhere! That guy must have a problem.

The basic thing is that the US licence is not even ICAO, let alone JAR. It is like talking about apples versus oranges; they are two different things, the FAA licence and most of the rest. It is not that one is good and the other bad, just that they are very different.

If you want to work in Africa, then, yes, JAR is the way to go. Algeria, for instance, will not accept FAA licences. Nigeria used to; I flew for many years there on a Nigerian ATPL issued on the basis of an FAA ATP.

Good luck.

heliroger
21st Dec 2007, 14:55
Hi Man8,
I shall be in SA around the 1st Quater of 08 for my Flight Training.U Can PM me so we can hook up.By The way,are you going Fixed wing or Rotary?

Cheers:ok:
Heliroger.

B737 lover
22nd Dec 2007, 17:03
chuks is right about everything.
My main concern is to man8, whoever told you about FAA license is CRAP:=, should be more careful, because there are so many of us who are flying for years with a strength of Faa certificates, and i must tell you that they are worth it especially when it comes to the flying part of it.
So the choice is yours.
Cheers:ok:.

18left
23rd Dec 2007, 05:30
My Opinions

FAA training is cheap compared to the JAA,but not inferior
FAA is VERY welcome to NCAA
JAA will open more jobs in the international market
FAA training is more practical
JAA training is more theroretical

alpha-b
25th Dec 2007, 16:05
Hi folks!

I totaly agree with 18L FAA is of more pratical side than JAA which mainly is theory but someone to say FAA is crap i totaly disagree.We all know america to be the leading nation when it comes to aviation.Are you going to tell me that pilots from American airlines,Delta airlines,Northwest,Continental have crap licences?because they all hold FAA besides 3/4 of the world pilots use FAA big airlines like Emirates,Cathay pacific recruits FAA ATP

TermightJim
26th Dec 2007, 04:12
Leading nation when it comes to aviation?

Perhaps if your talking about building aircraft then ja, Id have to agree. As for pilots, you cant make a broad sweeping statements like that.

FAA ATP. If you cant get your SACAA ATP or JAA ATP, then get the FAA book, study it for a few days and you'll pass.

As far as the practical side goes, What can they ask you in the FAA check ride that they cant ask you in the SACAA or JAA fight test?

BALEWA
26th Dec 2007, 11:15
Look here man8, if u are looking at flying here in Nigeria when u complete training then there is no question about it mate go to the United States or South Africa!

When u return to Lagos they will be converted after u sit the local exam papers with NCAA.

If you are still interested in JAR License then while flying here you can then study and sit for the JAR exams, if u have over 1500hrs on jets that are I think its 20t or so u may even be exempted from doing the whole ground school thingy!!!

So get on with it and come on home, we need you all online here, and forget this FAA or JAA issue of crap or no crap!!!

Balewa

chuks
26th Dec 2007, 13:29
If it is specifically for Nigeria then I would agree; go for an FAA licence.

I spent a week just reading the programmed material for the FAA ATP written, from Monday through Sunday, scheduled the test the following Monday, did it on Tuesday morning and scored 93%. Try that trick with the JAR writtens and see how far you get!

Too, nowadays there are many testing centres in the USA where you can do the written on a computer at a time of your choosing, not like the JAR writtens which are only available at certain times and places.

Remember that you need the written result, not just to have passed the test, to show the examiner for your FAA flight test. If you are in a hurry there's a way to get the result back from the FAA quickly, for a little extra cost.

There are lots of schools in the States that specialise in overseas candidates, offering packages designed purely to get you that ATP ticket. You won't learn much in a broad-based sense; you just come away with the ticket.

There is no comparison to the breadth of knowledge you get from a JAR course, followed by its 14 written examinations; in that sense the FAA licence is a bit of a joke, yes. That said, I have worked with good pilots and I have worked with lousy pilots, when some had an FAA licence and some had a JAR licence. There was no obvious division between the two in terms of pilot ability. But if it is a job you are after rather than bragging rights, the FAA ticket is the obvious choice.

chuks
26th Dec 2007, 17:33
The answer to your rhetorical question is simply that not everywhere accepts the FAA licence! I had no interest in working in Europe as such but needed the JAR licence so that I could access as wide a job market as possible; with just FAA credentials I was shut out of many possible jobs.

In fact, my present employer will only take applicants with a JAR licence, even though the job is in Africa. It has to do with their Swiss AOC, I guess.

If you have the time and the money it is an interesting licence to do. That said, if you have access to a market (Nigeria) where they accept the FAA licence, why, indeed, bother? Well, if you have an eye to going off somewhere else to fly then you had better think ahead to the JAR licence. Last time I checked, Europe was much closer to Africa than the USA.

alpha-b
26th Dec 2007, 21:33
I would again agree with Suitcaseman it's an operator requirement not a state one so why bother to read unnecessarily.i've got no problems for those doing JAR because of the amount of knowledge they get but it doesn't make those one doing FAA not knowledgeable i believe it's a personal issue it's all how much you're willing to learn and know,i don't need to read a hell of irrelevant stuffs if i do then it's good for my personal knowledge.My cousin flies for Cathay Pacific which is one of the most respected airlines in the world and he got in with an FAA ATP and he says(if i get to Cathay with an FAA ATP and you get there with a JAR who's the winner?)