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chornedsnorkack
27th Nov 2007, 11:04
Embraer has completed Lineage 1000. It flew to a third party interior outfitter and should reach customer sometime in summer.
http://www.embraer.com/english/content/imprensa/press_releases_detalhe.asp?id=1744

Can anyone explain just how Lineage 1000 is different from E-190?

Longer range. Of course a plane flies farther with a smaller payload. But Lineage 1000 imagery at Embraer website features tanks in wings as well as belly hold.

Well, having extra fuel tanks in belly hold limits the luggage capacity, which is not welcome on flights cramped with passengers, baggage and cargo. But Boeing 737-700/BBJ and Airbus 319CJ/LR have options for different numbers of belly tanks according to the desired range and payload.

Wing... does it have any extra tanks that E190 does not have? If yes, why does E190 not have them?

Also, I have heard it alleged that the MTOW of Lineage 1000 is heavier than MTOW of E-190. The numbers quoted were 52 t max for E190, up to 55 t on Lineage 1000. Can anyone confirm?

In which sense is Lineage 1000 a plane for "up to 19" passengers? E-190 has 114 passengers - not much fewer than ACJ or B737-700. BBJs fly with, like, 48 or 50 seats for Privatair and ANA. ACJ has 48 seats for Privatair and 82 seats for Air France Dedicate.

If you wanted, could you take a Lineage 1000, install, say, 48 seats with 16 rows of 3 abreast seats at 50 inch pitch, and fly it on long and thin routes at a lower trip cost than A319 or B737 would have?

AircraftOperations
27th Nov 2007, 16:32
Presume it would have to go through ETOPS certification as well, if it were to be used for commercial flights.

chornedsnorkack
27th Nov 2007, 20:04
Presume it would have to go through ETOPS certification as well, if it were to be used for commercial flights.

Any twinjet with range over 1200 or so miles needs ETOPS, and E-jets have ranges of 1500...2500 miles.

AircraftOperations
28th Nov 2007, 15:34
Are you sure?

I thought you only need ETOPS certifcation if you are going to be flying ETOPs routes.

Surely a 737 flying 1500-2000 miles across continental Europe does not need ETOPS, as long as it is within x minutes of suitable diverts along the route.

chornedsnorkack
28th Nov 2007, 15:59
Yes, in the sense that non-ETOPS twins can operate longer routes while staying near diversion ports, they do not need ETOPS. But on the other hand, there are a number of not very long routes where diversion ports do not exist - ocean crossings and remote areas. A twinjet with a range of, say, just 800 miles would not need ETOPS - even if there are no diversion ports, it is always within 400 miles of either origin or destination, and therefore at jet speeds less than 60 minutes. But the E-jets have longer range, and therefore need ETOPS.

E-190 got ETOPS 75 in Spring and expects to get ETOPS 120 early next year.

mutt
29th Nov 2007, 05:23
But the E-jets have longer range, and therefore need ETOPS.

No they dont..... It all depends on the route, not the aircraft. We operate 15 of them without ETOPS.

Mutt