Hour Building B757

[Dub32]

Hey there,
any advice on getting time on a B757 ?? I invested in the type rating but everwhere looking for 500 hrs on type to get a job.
Does anyone know any airlines anywhere in the world (apart from Astraeus) that would do line training or let you fly to hour build?
Last thing I wanna do is fly for free but its better then not flying at all even if its for 3months etc.
Any advice is much appreciated,
Cheers
Dub32

[ARGREECE]

www.globaltrainingaviation.com (http://www.globaltrainingaviation.com) try this my friend in spain, they want you to do the whole program(with the TR+ 500 hours on type) which costs 41000 !!!! euros but you can contact them and ask them.
also, try www.atlasjet.com (http://www.atlasjet.com) in turkey
also, thomsonfly
pm me if you find something, all the best

[Sean Dillon]

I doubt you'll get any joy from Thomson - have you tried Globespan? Or Jet2?

[F900EX]

Try these guys. Can't vouch for them but have seem their adverts :

http://www.eaglejet.net

Good luck.

[-8AS]

Globespan are laying off pilots and Jet 2 require experience for the 757.

[Anonymus6]

if guys like you would stop doing the pay for training, then the airlines and agencies would never advertise 500 hours on type to get a job, and eagle jet would go bankrupt.

[PPRuNe Towers]

A dead rating.

Go to one of the major bulk job sites and play spot the 757 job let alone no experience.

Rob

[TheFlyingDJ]

if guys like you would stop doing the pay for training

Why do you think that guys like them pay for training in the first place?

[jeanjambre]

Hi ,

try to contact Air Italy they operate 757 and 767 and always looking for pilots. www.airitaly.it (http://www.airitaly.it)

It's a charter company still on the startup, so it means no good roster or specific days off. Anyway nice people and operations not at all boring.

Ciao and good luck

[dartagnan]

dont buy a t-rating. if you do so, they will ask you to pay for 500h line training without any guaranties.i dont know how many pilots find a job after buying a type rating, but I personally think it is around 0%...

better to invest in a FI ticket !

[IRISHPILOT]

dartagnan, read the question. Your advice not to buy a rating comes late (the poster has one already).

I bought a rating and had a job within 3 weeks. And that was in 2002, when the market was far worse than today.

DUB 32, the Turkish companies are your best bet, but you will indeed not be kept after the hours you paid for. Best to knock on their doors in IST.

DHL (the UK one) is recruiting for LEJ and looking for 757 pilots... Follow the link on PPJN...

good luck! IP

[Dub32]

Many thanks for your advice. Do you know the names of any of the Turkish Airlines. I know of Atlas and Sunexpress but not sure of any of the others. Are there many?

Thanks again Dub32

[WannaBeBiggles]

This might help you also, it's a list of all 757's ever produced and the last known customer.

http://www.planespotters.net/Production_List/Boeing/757/index.html?start=1&sort=9

[tom775257]

<<dont buy a t-rating. if you do so, they will ask you to pay for 500h line training without any guaranties.i dont know how many pilots find a job after buying a type rating, but I personally think it is around 0%...

better to invest in a FI ticket !>>

Off topic I am afraid.

I paid for a 320 TR: I was paid for my line training. I know many many pilots who paid for a TR with a job (probably the majority of airline pilots I know at my stage). I also was an FI - possibly a waste of time if you want to be an airline pilot in my opinion, a year of hard slog and ****ty wages for me - contacts were made but without a TR or multi-crew hours options were limited. Also, just because you didn't pay for your type up front doesn't mean you won't pay though reduced wages. Oh yeah and I was a 98% ATPL ave / every flying/written exam full first time student - didn't mean **** all when it came to the airlines. I had an airline job within 3 weeks of finishing my TR.

Sorry abnormally confrontational for me, but I think there is some separation between the ideal reality and the current situation. However a note of caution: I know multiple people with SSTR without a job.

Happy hunting.

[Bluebaron]

DHL cargo are looking i hear.

[underread east]

Both DHL Air UK and EAT DHLs other airline(see recent Flight) are looking...

[PPRuNe Towers]

Now come on guys,

Eyes wide and hopelessly innocent or professional aviators?

DHL/EAT Let's see if you can come up with the obvious problem getting on with your career in that type of operation.

Rob

[Night_fr8]

To Rob @ PPrune Towers
What type of total Plonker are you
There are many happy pilots in both DHL Air and EAT who can knock the spots off those in the charter industries, this has been proven by the the number of pilots who have moved on to scheduled carriers worldwide.
These include BA, and Emirates to name but two, plus Silverjet who are only too happy to accept the product produced at DHL / EAT.
A B757 rating is a common type with the B767 (Wide body big plus) and it obvious that you have little or no knowledge of the current industry.
Freight is not a dead end job, but probably one of the best kept secrets in aviation.
Generally good pay, fair conditions of service, and 350 hours per year against the charter industry average of 880.
All for the same salary that a charter pilot gets, and more time at home than any other 757 operation.
Low hours type rated pilots are welcome at DHL Air / EAT, however there have been questions as to the type of training offered by third party TRTO's
The general feeling is that purchasing of a type rating is not always a good idea for an individual without a job offer post training.
This is mainly due to the fact that airline requirements differ and generally airlines wish to have their own trainers and SOP's used from the outset for reasons of risk management and quality control.
I suggest that for the person seeking 757 employment with a type rating that he apply to EAT as per their advert in Flight.
The Industry is in a downturn at present, with layoffs in Airtours, Thompson, First Choice and Thomas Cook, however this will not seriously effect the industry in the long term.
I am glad that currently I am nolonger in the Charter Industry as this part of the industry is first to suffer in any economic downturn, predicted tonight by the Bank of England.
Less money to spend less holidays taken.
With 30+ years in this industry, I have the experience and knowledge to know that you never anger the person next to you, they may be your next chief pilot.
So I might be sitting opposite you at your next interview and your comments have "P'd" me off already.
Don't knock the 757/767 or the freight industry and expect not to be flamed.
This is a rumour network and taking it too seriously can possibly damage your career.

[Old King Coal]

PPT - err, I guess that'd be the lack of hours ?

Night_fr8 - It's all very well doing 350 hours per annum but only when you've got several thousand hours already in your log book. When you're new to professional aviation what you need is 'hours'... as that's what unlocks your (f)ATPL and it's 'hours' that get you the experience you need to get a command.

And, fwiw, I believe it's the case that Rob / PPT has a good few thousand hours on the B757 (as do I)

[Night_fr8]

I agree that hours to unlock the ATPL are needed but so is security in our chosen career.
Freight operations are the most secure jobs in the industry, and a regular pay check can out weigh the hours building.
How often in your career have you worried about your job security and when if your next pay check will appear.
in the 30+ years that I have had in the industry there have been several such days and 4 redundancies.
Both DHL Air and EAT have a positive attitude towards low hour pilots and try to give them as much work as possible so that the ATPL can be unfrozen in a reasonable time.
Hours are not as important in the freight industry as one might imagine, this is because the sector lengths are generally short and there are more take off's and landings achieved and hence more experience obtained than by sitting for long hours in the cruise to the Canaries or Greek Islands, Transatlantic etc.
I would suggest that the type of flying gives a broader experience in a shorter time than on Charter Ops, which is of more value to a future employer than hours spent sitting in the cruise.
The fact that Rob may have many hours on the 757 is not a factor here its his attitude that needs an adjustment.
And he should engage brain before putting pen to paper (fingers to keyboard) here where his position at pprune would usually add weight to his credability, and the remarks taken to heart by those starting out in the industry.
This is after all a Rumour Network and should NOT be taken seriously.

[PPRuNe Towers]

A bit touchy ;)

It's life of max duty hours, minimum flying hours, kicking around crew rooms in the dead of night and trying to sleep in a noisy daytime hotel room. Year after year.

So here's the obvious questions to be considered at 350 hours per year:

How long to get an ATPL unfrozen for, let's say a 500 hour guy joining?

How long to get the minimum command hours?

How long to get the 4000 hours I've got on the 757 - surely the minimum to think you'll get a fast track command elsewhere?

If permanent nights aren't for you how do you compete with the 800 hour a year guys looking to move on to VS/BA Etc from the low costs?

Meanwhile what's happened to your peers who qualified at the same time as you? Try repeating the calculations at an amiable and genteel 750 hours per years.

Simply doesn't add up as a commercial proposition compared to other paths into the industry. That's all - it's the tyranny of the numbers and the bottom line for those with loans to pay off and a desire to put their money into a home or toys.

Mobility of labour, death of decent pensions and modern management methods means our career is now a race to the left seat by any means possible. There's no other way to clear the loans neither of us faced 30+ years ago and move on to assure our future through any variant of savings and assets.

My first jet job paid a basic annual salary 2.3 times greater than the total cost of my licence, IR and accommodation. Those looking for a job now are facing a different and probably deeply inverted ratio.

There's nothing personal there - just facts.

Rob

[Night_fr8]

PPT
I see from your last post that you have no real knowledge of the Freight Industry.
Hotels are First Class and allocate quiet rooms to freightdogs, as this is part of the contract.
Crew rooms whilst in the past have been below par, are now well up to standard with rest facilities built in so that during ground time crews can get some sleep in comfortable beds if required.
The latest purpose built crew facilities in Leipzig have superior facilities for all crews.
Canteen facilities where meals are cooked to order or the menu of the day can be taken immediately.
Duty hours ? well the hours are restricted for night operations and the average duty is now 9 hours with the odd duty reaching the maximum of 10 hours 15 minutes.
Weekends free in places such as Madrid, Sofia, Athens, Casablanca. Well maybe a couple of hours Standby at the hotel to cover a through flight in Madrid.
Time to command has been as little as 1 year for those with over 3000 hours. (3000 required for command).
Yes it can be a long time to command for new hires with low hours, but in EAT commands are given on experience with the company and can come after 5-6 years (for low hours pilots) which equates well with the charter industry where at the moment there are few commands if any available, currently layoff's are the rule.
Hours are NOT the yardstick to go by, I have said before experience matters but Sitting in the cruise reading a newspaper on long sectors does not equal experience.
Yes I have been there got the T shirt, probably long before many poster here were out of school or the blue uniform.

[helldog]

Here is a plan for you guys that pay for type ratings and cant find work or even a place to work for free. Send me your cv. If I can place you, give the operator your wads of cash that you have in such abundance. All I ask is that you pay me 50 pounds per hour that you fly for them as my reward for finding a pit for you to throw money into.:ugh:

[hotbird]

Try XL airways they are now short of FO..

[Pilot125]

Hi DUB32
Try Flyglobespan because they are looking for F/Os 757/767 . You need to contact Wynnwith Aviation for that. Good luck.

[low n' slow]

What was your plan before you took the TR? And why isn't it working?
/LnS