Airline Pirate
7th Nov 2007, 22:36
Hello all,
Just trying to wade my way through the morass known as LAZORS/JAA...
I have been trying to find the legal definition of FAR 23 aircraft ( I have time on PA-31 Navejo and DHC-6 Twin Otter)
also, I am unfamiliar with how type ratings work under JAA. On the PA31's and DHC-6, we have to do PPC's on the aircraft as the are mult-crew aircraft (no autopilot).
In Canada, these aircraft do require a type rating at they are not considered "high performance" aircraft. I was told by someone that all a/c that require a PPC in Canada are a/c you need a type rating on in Europe.
EDIT: under LAZORS LAS Section F; the Twin Otter DHC-6 give you a DHC6 licence endorsement-is this the same as a type rating?
Would love to clear all these issues up.
Thanks
here is the LAZORS spiel:
To convert from a ICAO Airline Transport Pilot to a JAA Airline
Transport Pilots Licence
Option 1
*
Hold 1500hrs of which 500hrs is in FAR25 or FAR23 certified multi crew aircraft, of which you need 250hrs in any aircraft type as PIC or 100 PIC under supervision
*
Hold a medical class 1 JAA
*
Pass ALL 14 ATPL exams
*
Undertake training as recommended by a Approved schools Chief Ground Instructor (in other words you can do it quickly or over a long time, you have no requirement to sit through the 770 hr long course)
*
Undertake a type rating course at a JAA approved training provider
*
Complete a ATPL skills test with a United Kingdom CAA examiner
So in summary you can do it this way to get rid of the 770hr classroom requirement if you have the experience and do the type rating and flight test on a FAR25 or 23 type aircraft.
Option 2
If you hold 500 hrs multi crew experience on a FAR 25 /23 type, hold a type rating on that type, and will be doing your ATPL skills test on that type you are exempt from the Type rating course and doing any type of training for the ground examinations, you can simply just enter and sit them without any help, then go and do the skills test.
Option 3
Special terms for Pilots meeting the experience criteria below * have been agreed as an interim measure for the grant of the above licence until the Joint Aviation Authority have agreed appropriate new conversion terms.
Just trying to wade my way through the morass known as LAZORS/JAA...
I have been trying to find the legal definition of FAR 23 aircraft ( I have time on PA-31 Navejo and DHC-6 Twin Otter)
also, I am unfamiliar with how type ratings work under JAA. On the PA31's and DHC-6, we have to do PPC's on the aircraft as the are mult-crew aircraft (no autopilot).
In Canada, these aircraft do require a type rating at they are not considered "high performance" aircraft. I was told by someone that all a/c that require a PPC in Canada are a/c you need a type rating on in Europe.
EDIT: under LAZORS LAS Section F; the Twin Otter DHC-6 give you a DHC6 licence endorsement-is this the same as a type rating?
Would love to clear all these issues up.
Thanks
here is the LAZORS spiel:
To convert from a ICAO Airline Transport Pilot to a JAA Airline
Transport Pilots Licence
Option 1
*
Hold 1500hrs of which 500hrs is in FAR25 or FAR23 certified multi crew aircraft, of which you need 250hrs in any aircraft type as PIC or 100 PIC under supervision
*
Hold a medical class 1 JAA
*
Pass ALL 14 ATPL exams
*
Undertake training as recommended by a Approved schools Chief Ground Instructor (in other words you can do it quickly or over a long time, you have no requirement to sit through the 770 hr long course)
*
Undertake a type rating course at a JAA approved training provider
*
Complete a ATPL skills test with a United Kingdom CAA examiner
So in summary you can do it this way to get rid of the 770hr classroom requirement if you have the experience and do the type rating and flight test on a FAR25 or 23 type aircraft.
Option 2
If you hold 500 hrs multi crew experience on a FAR 25 /23 type, hold a type rating on that type, and will be doing your ATPL skills test on that type you are exempt from the Type rating course and doing any type of training for the ground examinations, you can simply just enter and sit them without any help, then go and do the skills test.
Option 3
Special terms for Pilots meeting the experience criteria below * have been agreed as an interim measure for the grant of the above licence until the Joint Aviation Authority have agreed appropriate new conversion terms.