What Cockpit? MK VI

[Kitbag]

Aargh! Wimping out, can't find anything worthy right now

Try this, Mel and Bri give em a chance please:ok:

http://i203.photobucket.com/albums/aa154/Kitweston/WC14.jpg




Continuation of: http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthread.php?p=3655246#post3655246

[VitaminGee]

Total stab in the dark - T38/F5?

[Kitbag]

VG, nope, not a lightweight fighter.

[oncemorealoft]

Is it a Lockheed U2?

[LowNSlow]

Is it a Sea Vixen or at least a jet of that era?

[Kitbag]

Not a Lockheed product, although the right side of the pond. Surprisingly this ac is earlier than the Sea Vixen

[VitaminGee]

Version of the Douglas Skyraider (or similar)?

[MReyn24050]

No problem, well done on the last one :ok:
Mel

[Kitbag]

VG, nope, definitely a twin with no big cooling fans on the front, although criticised at the time for being underpowered, then again most aircraft of this era were.

[innuendo]

Underpowered makes me think of the F-89 Scorpion.

[BEagle]

Chance-Vought F7U Cutlass....

http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a341/nw969/Gutless.jpg

One of the more flattering shots of the 'Gutless'!

[Kitbag]

Beags has it- specifically one of only 12 F7U3P recce variants built:

http://i203.photobucket.com/albums/aa154/Kitweston/f7u3.jpg

The reheated Westinghouse engines were planned to produce c10000 lbs thrust but were derated to less than 5000lbs. Not good on a carrier, one of the limitations was a requirement to disengage reheat as soon as the aircraft left the deck. It was said that the toasters made by Westinghouse produced more heat than the Cutlass' engines. The two ac shown by Beags in Blue Angels markings were solo performerswhilst the rest of the team formed up and I read somewhere that in 5 years of service (1954-1959) the attrition rate was in the region of 25%. Still, it was a fascinating shape in a period of experimentation.

To you BEagle.

[BEagle]

Another oddity:

http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a341/nw969/24Oct.jpg

[Kitbag]

Twin engine jet with 'afterburner' so probably US origin. No fixed windscreen, but looks sharp and pointy. Had thought of Douglas X3 Stilleto, but am now plumping for the Convair Sea Dart as I have convinced myself the aircraft appears to be on a slipway.

[MReyn24050]

I think you are spot on with your second choice kitbag.

[MReyn24050]

This list includes all challenges from What Cockpit I to What Cockpit VI.
http://www.geocities.com/artificer356/whatcockpitlist25Oct2007.htm?200725

[BEagle]

Yep - Convair Sea Dart it is!

The world's only supersonic seaplane.

And, as far as I'm aware, the only supersonic tail-dragger! Tips of the hydroskis had small wheels as did the rear fuselage.

YHC!!

[Kitbag]

I think both the Gutless and the Sea Dart had the same engines, as well as the XF88 which went on to develop into the F101 Voodoo. Anyway try this homebuild next:

http://i203.photobucket.com/albums/aa154/Kitweston/WC16.jpg

[MReyn24050]

Please check PMs
Mel

[Fitter2]

Rutan Long-Eze?

[Fitter2]

On the other hand, looking at the ASI and engine instruments, the BD5J looks more plausible.

[Kitbag]

It is a straightforward BD-5 with the Honda piston engine:

This one in fact
http://i203.photobucket.com/albums/aa154/Kitweston/Canada25.jpg

This Canadian example was being offered for sale as the owner was unable to fly it, as you can see although not quite complete it appears to beautifully finished and detailed.
Over to you F2

[Fitter2]

And for my next trick:

http://i22.tinypic.com/2vtds7c.jpg

[BEagle]

Fi 103?



.

[Fitter2]

Not the piloted V1 (as flown by Hanna Reitch). Now there was a remarkable lady, still gliding in the Alps in the late '70s, and a fund of after dinner stories. But not that (and not any German type).

[MReyn24050]

Last time this one came up it was the Yokosuka MXY7-Ohka, the Japanese version of the Fi103. Which BEagle gave the right answer when it first came up.

[Fitter2]

Mm. The Ohka doesn't appear on the list posted on page 1. There are substantial differences in airframe between the Okha (rocket or primitive jet power rather than pulsejet). The Okha was designed as a Kamikaze piloted bomb, the Fi 103 to sort out development problems on a very early unmanned cruise missile, although proposed to use in a similar role..

Fi103
http://i21.tinypic.com/ao9llg.jpg

Okha
http://i23.tinypic.com/vr9d12.jpg

You are correct on the type, however, so over to you.

[MReyn24050]

Thank you Fitter2 I think you will find it is on the list on Page 1, it is about six up from the bottom. However that is not a problem. This next one is a nice easy one.
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c67/sabamel/Aircraft/Cockpit%20quiz/Cockpitquiz27.jpg

[Kitbag]

Hughes 500?

[MReyn24050]

kitbag, not the Hughes 500 sorry.

[Agaricus bisporus]

Lama/alouette

[Agaricus bisporus]

Nope, has wheelbrakes.

So Piaseki HUP Retriever or variant.

[Kitbag]

I'm still sticking with the lighter end of the market- Schweizer/Hughes 300?



And I hate it when you say This next one is a nice easy one

[MReyn24050]

Sorry about that kitbag, I just thought this one would be no problem.
Agaricus bisporus has it.:ok::D It is indeed the Piasecki HUP Retriever
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c67/sabamel/Aircraft/hup.jpg
You have control Agaricus bisporus.

[Kitbag]

Bah! hate helicopters anyway :*

:DAB

[Agaricus bisporus]

Hey guys, months of watching this forum with little idea and bingo!

New pic tomorrow. I'll try to figure the system!




http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=203481

[evansb]

More than 24 hours have elapsed, so here is the next 'What Cockpit?':

http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/DrinkGuiness.jpg

[evansb]

Clues: Powered by a Lycoming IO-360 engine. First flight in 1976.

[Fitter2]

Civlianised East European Mil type?

[LowNSlow]

Is it a Yak 18T?

[MReyn24050]

Bri Please check your PMs.
Mel

[evansb]

Not a YAK, but it is European, and was originally built to replace a military type.

[NutherA2]

FFA AS202 "Swiss Bravo" ?

[evansb]

Sorry, not Swiss. Just under 140 were built, production being interupted in the early 1990s, and ending in 2003.

[Dan Winterland]

http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb73/dbchippy/UTVA75photo.jpg

UTVA 75?

[evansb]

You are correct DAN:ok: You have control:D

[Dan Winterland]

Sorry about my tardiness - I had forgotten that I had posted a reply! This one won't take long. It hasn't been done before - suprisingly!


http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb73/dbchippy/wc.jpg

[Fitter2]

Why, it's the good old Victor, in my biased view the best looking of the V force.

From memory I can't tell if it's an instant sunshine delivery truck or a flying gas station, but I'm sure you can tell me.

[Dan Winterland]

Yes indeed, it is the Victor. I didn't think it would take long. It's a K2. You can tell because if you study the fuel panel, you will see the bomb bays have five pumps each. the aux tanks on the SR2 only had two pumps, and the bomber no bomb bay tanks. A 55 Sqn aircraft taken in 1987.

And I'm with you on your bias! You have control.

[Fitter2]

Thanks Dan, old timessake and all that.

Next one, also mil. Shouldn't take too long, even if the astounding gurus hang back for a few hours:

http://i14.tinypic.com/4ozfb7b.jpg

[MReyn24050]

No takers? They even put a plan of the aircraft on the panel to remind the pilot what he was flying :). Fitter2 please check PMs.
Mel

[Dick Whittingham]

Love the flameout procedure on the left! Not a good mtbf then.

Dick

[Fitter2]

As they had a good old RR Avon, should have been OK.

[Fitter2]

So its an Avon powered military type with metric instruments, and Mel has told you its a conventional swept wing type - any guesses?

[dixi188]

I,m new at this!
How about Saab Drakken?

[India Four Two]

Avon powered, metric instruments and Cyrllic (?) on the turn indicator.

Curiouser and curiouser!

[Fitter2]

Dixi188's geography is not too bad, but aircraft recognition iffy if thinking the Draken is swept wing. Any apparent cyrillic is probably fitting the right type and size of instrument in the panel hole of a museum example; the type was this side of the the Iron Curtain when it existed.

[bottom rung]

Must be a Lansen then... If I'm right its open house. All my old pics would need to be scanned in unfortunately.

[Fitter2]

Indeed, the J32 Lansen.

http://i1.tinypic.com/53pspkg.jpg

Does that make you second rung now?

Open house, it seems.

[evansb]

Identify this cockpit:
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/3868164000.jpg

[con-pilot]

I really haven't a clue, but I do like that huge clock in the middle. Knowing what time it was must have been real important.



Sorry about that, I'll go away now. :uhoh:

[Fitter2]

It looked rather like a Curtiss C46 to me, but I see that has appeared before. Similar vintage?

[evansb]

Yes, it is a World War II vintage aircraft.

[Fitter2]

And American?

[evansb]

The aircraft is not American. It is smaller than the C-46.

[MReyn24050]

As you say smaller than the C-46, but then it had a different role. Undertook a number of roles and carried a few different weapons I believe? Please check your PMs.
Mel

[evansb]

During WW.II, the people of the country that produced this aircraft were heard to say, "At least the trains are on time".

[larssnowpharter]

Is it an SM 82?

[evansb]

Sorry, not a Savio Marchetti SM.82. Right country though..

[RETDPI]

During WW.II, the people of the country that produced this aircraft were heard to say, "At least the trains are on time".

So con-pilot did have a point about the clock then .

[Fitter2]

Piagio 108?

[evansb]

Sorry, not a Piaggio. The mystery aircraft performed a variety of roles during WW.II.

[MReyn24050]

Didn't Sweden operate an earlier version of this aircraft?

[evansb]

An earlier version, yes. In trade, Sweden had to provide raw materials, which were ultimately used for war.

[larssnowpharter]

Caproni Ca 313?

[evansb]

larssnowpharter, you are very close. It is a Caproni, but not the Ca.313.

[Fitter2]

Most extensively built version was the Ca.314. Variants included the Ca.314A or Ca.314-SC (Scorta), a convoy escort/maritime patrol aircraft, the Ca.314B or Ca314-RA (Ricognizione Aerosiluranti) torpedo-bomber and the ground-attack Ca.314C.

This fits the clues so far?

[evansb]

Fitter2 is correct.:ok: The Caproni Ca.314. You have control.

http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/ca314-9.jpg

[Fitter2]

Apologies to Larssp for stealing it. And now for something completely different.

http://i21.tinypic.com/jrcgph.jpg

[MReyn24050]

JENKINS A "Percy" by any other name

I think perhaps you mean a Percival Q6 G-AFFD which has been under restoration for a good few years.

[Fitter2]

I can see where you got the idea, but this is not a Percival - or even British.

[Fitter2]

Now I have the literary allusion, there is a similarity in role between the mystery aircraft and Harry Percy's namesake, or his Anglo Saxon relatives.

My location is not too far from Hamstead Norreys, one of several local airfields busy on the night of June 5/6 some years ago.

[larssnowpharter]

I'm thinking glider, German;

Wild guess: Gotha 345

[Fitter2]

Not German. Right wartime, I believe it never saw active service.

[Fitter2]

Not Australian or Swedish (I didn't know Oz made any similaer types - must do some research).

Now, you mentioned Mussolini...............

[MReyn24050]

Would that be the Aeronautica Lombarda AL 12P?
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c67/sabamel/Aircraft/AeronauticaLombardaAL12P.jpg

[Fitter2]

Right country, wrong aircraft.

[larssnowpharter]

Possibly the MM510 or 511 by Costruzioni Aeronautiche Taliedo? Of the 2 I would plump for the 511 of which there used to be an example at Museo della Scienza e della Tecnica di Milano.

[Fitter2]

Yes the CAT TM2, reg no 511. The museum example below:

http://i24.tinypic.com/dg6olv.jpg

I have a contemporary pic at my other location I will post. Obscure enough to be a challenge?

It's all yours.

[MReyn24050]

:ok: That was a great challenge.:D I learnt a great deal from that, i.e. I wasn't aware that the Italians had built any gliders. Keep them coming.
Mel

[Fitter2]

Thank you Mel. It is a real challenge to post a cockpit not instantly recognisable by you or Bri.

A picture as promised of the CAT TM2 in its proper timeframe:

http://i20.tinypic.com/161jqsj.jpg

[Woods]

Would someone clue in a dum colonial about H. Percy?:confused:
Woods

[S'land]

That was really interesting.

I saw the glider in the the museum when I lived in Italy.

Also knew an ex Italian paratrooper, dead now I am afraid, who had some fantastic photo's of it from his days in the service. Well, if not this one then of the same model. He claimed to hate it as he had to jump from it, but he still had the photo's prominently displayed in his home in Treviso.

Having said that, I still did not recognise the challenge. :\

[MReyn24050]

It is I believe in relation to Shakespeare's Play Henry V. The Percy family seeks to initiate a rebellion against King Henry IV and sounds out Lord Henry Percy, surnamed Hotspur, their most formidable knight. Northumberland (another Henry Percy, Earl of Northumberland) and Worcester (Thomas Percy, Earl of Worcester) try to explain their plans to him. Hotspur is so hot blooded that he explodes and goes off on a tangent at each point where they try to unfold their plot. With his fanatical view of on honor, Hotspur, as crazy as Don Quixote, forms a dramatic contrast with Falstaff.
As I understood it Jenkins thought the cockpit was that of the General Aviation Hotspur glider and referred to it as a Percy. I see he has since deleted his original post. I could of course be totally wrong :)

[larssnowpharter]

As you said, S'land, an interesting challenge and remarkable that there is a survivor. I once knew an Italian Air Force Ten Col WW2 fighter pilot who had something like 29 victories over allied aircraft. He showed me his log books and, in 1941, he flew captured Hurricanes and Spitfires. His collection of memoribila was huge and I hope that it has now passed to a worthwhile repository.
This next challenge should not cause any difficulty and is included because of the uniqueness of the panel layout.
http://i163.photobucket.com/albums/t295/larssnowpharter/cockpitquiz504.jpg

[Fitter2]

Reading left to right, VSI, ASI, T&S, RPM and Oil Pressure(?), with compass (?) below.

But no Altimeter. Is that significant?

[larssnowpharter]

In the context of this aircraft, quite probably but do not get led astray by this.

[Kitbag]

WW II German, something like the Fw 189?

[larssnowpharter]

WW2, German and nothing like the FW 189

[MReyn24050]

Please check PMs.
Mel

[Kitbag]

Flettner 282 Kolibri?

[LowNSlow]

I have a feeking it was one of the German helicopters, how about the Focke Achelis FA-223?

[stevef]

Brings to mind the machine occasionally carried by U-boats as a towed spotter aircraft. I agree with LowNSlow that it might have been a Focke design. Achgelis 330 perhaps?

[larssnowpharter]

Kitbag has it. It is indeed the Flettner 282 Kolibri. :D
Mel informed me that it had appeared earlier however, I did not have it on my (admittedly old) list so my apologies if this spoiled it for anyone.
Here it is in action
http://i163.photobucket.com/albums/t295/larssnowpharter/flettner_kolibri_12.jpg

You have control, sir.

[Kitbag]

Thanks Lars. This photo of a scale model of the Kolibri should be a little clearer of the cockpit glazing when fitted:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/7e/Flettner_282_Modell.jpg

Wikipedia has some more images for those interested

[Kitbag]

OK, this one hasn't appeared before according to the list.
http://i203.photobucket.com/albums/aa154/Kitweston/WC17.jpg

[Fitter2]

To narrow the field a little, WW1, French?

[Kitbag]

I was getting worried then! Is Mel ok?

To answer the question- a gnats crotchet later and rather more perfidious

[old,not bold]

In that case I'll try Avro 504, although it looks too basic for that, as well as being too simple an answer in this expert thread..

but it's the only one I can think of!

[MReyn24050]

Thanks kitbag :). I am fine just biding my time :)

[Kitbag]

Sorry not the 504, it certainly looks basic, but was probably no different to most other aircraft of its type.

[evansb]

The Vickers Viking flying boat. The photo shows a Canadian Air Force Viking, purchased in 1923.

http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/viking_1.jpg

[Kitbag]

Spot on Bri:D

The cockpit photo is of a replica

YHC

[evansb]

Thanks Kitbag, that was fun. Here is the next 'What cockpit?'

http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/3905554.jpg

[MReyn24050]

I think we are back at sea again. Please check your PMs.
Mel

[Kitbag]

Total guess, Supermarine Southampton Stranraer?

[evansb]

Sorry, Kitbag, not a British-made aircraft.

[Kitbag]

But it is a twin engine biplane flying boat?

[evansb]

It is a twin-engine monoplane, but not a flying boat.

[LowNSlow]

Is it a Heinkel He 111B?

[Kitbag]

A little more exotic- Blohm und Voss Ha 140?

[evansb]

Sorry gents, the aircraft is not from Germany, although it is of W.W.II vintage.

[seacue]

Perhaps it is French, Bloch something.

[MReyn24050]

Seacue
On behalf of Bri I can say this is not a French aircraft.
Mel

[India Four Two]

It's a Fiat RS14. A nice picture of a model here, including the strange instrument panel: http://www.swannysmodels.com/RS14build.html

Open house if I am correct.

[evansb]

India Four Two is correct:ok: Well done:D An elegant replacement for two aging CANT models, the RS-14 performed a loop on it's test flight!
You have control.
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/rs14b.jpg

[India Four Two]

Thanks, Bri. An elegant aircraft, as you say - sort of a Blenheim on floats ;)

My remaining cockpit pictures have been done before, so OPEN HOUSE.

I42

[larssnowpharter]

E la moda questi aerii Italiani?
Here's one I am pretty sure we have not had before:
http://i163.photobucket.com/albums/t295/larssnowpharter/wc601.jpg

[Dick Whittingham]

From the extensive use of marine ply and yacht varnish - it's a boat

Dick

[MReyn24050]

We are definitely back on the water with this one. Please check PMs.

[Akubra]

Pretty sure its a Curtiss Seagull.

[larssnowpharter]

You are absolutely correct sir! Well done!:D

Unfortunately I am on remote access here and cannot post a photo of the aircraft so, if anyone has one please feel free.

Passo comando.

[Akubra]

I hope this next one is considered a cockpit...


http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o131/acubra/nc1.jpg

http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o131/acubra/nc2.jpg

[old,not bold]

I'm guessing it's an airship, can only think of two names, so I'll try one

R101

[MReyn24050]

As larssnowpharter requested:-
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c67/sabamel/Aircraft/1919Curtiss-Seagull.jpg

[Akubra]

Incredibly close old,not bold!!

The first photo shows the steering coxswain with the engine telegraph panel behind him.
The second shows the height coxswain standing at the elevator wheel.

[larssnowpharter]

Thanks Mel. I always thought the Seagull was one of the prettiest of the early 'boats'.

[LowNSlow]

Would it be the R100 then???

[MReyn24050]

larssnowpharter wrote:- I always thought the Seagull was one of the prettiest of the early 'boats'.
I can only but agree :)
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c67/sabamel/Aircraft/1919Curtiss-Seagull-a.jpg

[old,not bold]

I'm sure LowNslow is there....my other name was "Hindenburg", not R100!

(I have a letter and envelope sent by my mother in Jamaica to her parents in England, franked as carried via New York and Germany, and naming the Hindenburg as the airmail carrier, not long before the tragedy.)

[Akubra]

Spot on LowNSow :ok:

Built at Howden by the Airship Guarantee Company, She flew from 1929 to 1931 before been dismantled.

[LowNSlow]

As usual I have no photos available so it's open house folks!

[Fitter2]

Oh, all right then:

http://i12.tinypic.com/8aykxmb.jpg

Good to see the thread active - I thought it gone rather quiet.

[Kitbag]

Gloster Gauntlett?

This one:

http://www.planet.fi/~mohman/kymimus/gg2.jpg

[Fitter2]

The very one. It's all yours.

[Kitbag]

Lets see where this one goes

http://i203.photobucket.com/albums/aa154/Kitweston/WC20.jpg

[Fitter2]

WW2 German?

[Kitbag]

F2

100% correct so far:ok:

[White Bear]

He 111?
Regards,
White Bear

[MReyn24050]

Great find. please check your PMs.
Mel

[Kitbag]

Sorry White Bear, not from the Heinkel stable

[White Bear]

Ar 234 Blitz ?
Regards,
White Bear

[Kitbag]

Sorry WB, not an Arado design. The power plants were rather more conventional, althought developmentally just as troublesome as the early jets.

Regards

Kb

[Akubra]

Messerschmitt Bf 161/162 perhaps?

[Kitbag]

Sorry Akubra, not a product from Augsberg either.
This design was from a major manufacturer though.
Like many projects of its time development was delayed by the need to current aircraft designs in production, hence only a small number were built.

[wonderboysteve]

Ju388........?

[larssnowpharter]

or even the 488?

[Kitbag]

Sorry chaps, not Junkers either, but you're not far off.

[windriver]

Dornier 215 perhaps?

if not I`ll save a post and try the Dornier DO17.

[Kitbag]

Sorry Windriver, not from Dornier either!

[larssnowpharter]

We are not left with many so how about something from the House of Heinkel such as the 177?

[Kitbag]

Lars, you're right about there not being many makers left.....









unhappily for you its not from Heinkel either

(as white bear found out earlier:})

[larssnowpharter]

unhappily for you its not from Heinkel either:{

One is tempted to say the FW 191

[larssnowpharter]

And, on further research it proves to be the case so I will say the FW 191

[Kitbag]

Spot on Lars:D- it is as you say the FW 191:
http://www.luft46.com/prototyp/fw191-12.jpg

Only 3 were built due to changing specifications and requirements and they were flown with (very) underpowered BMW 801 engines. Defensive weapons installation is interesting in that it was originally meant to be remotely controlled barbettes:
http://www.luft46.com/prototyp/fw191-10.jpg http://www.luft46.com/prototyp/fw191-5.jpg

The airframe was apparently a sound and efficient design, the aircraft was let down by the lack of engines in the 2500hp class, a fate which bedevilled several German designs.

You have control, Sir

[larssnowpharter]

Thank you sir. I have to say that German aircraft of WW2 with those greenhouse things at the front can be very confusing. The search was interesting.
Next:
http://i163.photobucket.com/albums/t295/larssnowpharter/cockpitquiz509.jpg

I will be back at about 0400Z

[Kitbag]

Something like the R.A.F. BE2c?

[MReyn24050]

Here is the latest list hope it works ok.
http://www.geocities.com/artificer356/whatcockpitlist13Nov2007.htm?200713
Mel

[old,not bold]

I haven't a clue what it is, but I've got to ask....is that a pencil sharpener on the right? On an otherwise almost bare panel, it might be useful.

If not, what on earth is it?

[evansb]

The pencil sharpener is a Bosch magneto ignition switch.

http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/BoschMagnet.jpg

[larssnowpharter]

The pencil sharpener is a Bosch magneto ignition switch.

Which is a good clue as to the country of origin. Sorry not the Be 2.

[evansb]

The Heinkel HD-35 (Swedish designation SK5).

[larssnowpharter]

You are coooorrrect!:ok: :D
http://i163.photobucket.com/albums/t295/larssnowpharter/sk5.jpg
The aircraft was delivered in August 1925. It carried Heinkel’s c/n 235 and got the military registration 66, which also later became its Air Force number. The evaluations at Malmen were finished in March 1927. At this time the Air Force was nearly one year old. The HD 35 now carried the designation Sk 5 and the earlier Army Aviation establishment at Malmen had formed the Air Force Wing F 3.
The HD 35 showed itself too heavy and was, together with its not too strong engine, not a suitable trainer aircraft. The single Sk 5 was transferred to the War Flying School F 5 at Ljungbyhed, where the photo above was taken in 1926. There it became the personal aircraft of the head of the school, the legendary Navy aviator Captain Arvid Flory.
The Sk 5 was written off in the summer of 1929. It was sold to the civil market and got the registration SE-SAM. It was flown by several pilots until 1940, when it was grounded for good.
The aircraft still exists and is owned by Flygvapenmuseum. It is under restoration by a volountary group at Tullinge former Air Force base (F 18) near Stockholm.

You have control.

[evansb]

Here is the next 'What cockpit?'
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/3937606.jpg

[MReyn24050]

USA - Coast Guard's Dassault HU-25C Guardian perhaps?
Mel

[Agaricus bisporus]

Amazing to see how much of the B29/B47 look that FW191 had - or was it vice-versa?

[Fitter2]

The panel colour, instrument appearance and multi-function controls look more like Russian manufacture, but the layout doesn't match anything familiar.

[Kitbag]

AB. Chronologically the Focke Wulf design predates the B29 design but only just. I think that the similarities are coincidental however- Heinkel Dornier, Bell and no doubt others I can't think of right now had all designed or flown aircraft with a fully glazed contoured nose in or before either of the types you talk about had flown.

F2 my thoughts were exactly the same, but confusingly all the placarding and instrumentation appears Anglicised (at least the bits I can make out) As a result I shall run away bravely so someone else can ident it. Still strip gauges, electro mech instruments and what looks like an early IN by the co puts me in mind of late 70s kit.

Not an An72 Coaler or variant thereof?

[oncemorealoft]

Please can we have confirmation that it's a Russian twin jet?

I wonderd if it's a Beriev amphibian but note that the BE-200 has a digital flight deck and it's forerunner, the A-40 looks very different (although the flight deck background is that same bluish colur!).

[oncemorealoft]

Please can we have confirmation that it's a Russian twin jet?
I wondered if it's a Beriev amphibian but note that the BE-200 has a digital flight deck and it's forerunner, the A-40 looks very different (although the flight deck panel background is that same bluish colur!).

[con-pilot]

That is definitely a Falcon cockpit, my guess is the Coast Guard aircraft as Mel said or the Falcon 200. Or perhaps the Falcon 20-731.

[evansb]

Mel and con-pilot are correct.:ok: It is a Dassault Falcon 20, operated by the U.S. Coast Guard under the designation HU-25 Guardian. Mel has control.
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/Hu-2520P4.jpg

[MReyn24050]

Thanks for that Bri. Here is the next one. I apologise for the poor quality of the photograph.
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c67/sabamel/Aircraft/Cockpit%20quiz/Cockpitquiz290a.jpg
Mel

[windriver]

Radial engine... 60HP'ish??

Something I`ve never heard of :)

.. so how about a Mauboussin Monoplane?

[MReyn24050]

Sorry not a Mauboussin Monoplane. This aircraft was not a monoplane.
Mel

[Kitbag]

Very tentatively it looks more like a rotary than a radial to me so ....








Mr Sopwiths Salamander?

[MReyn24050]

kitbag
This aircraft was powered by a water cooled radial engine she first flew a couple of years earlier than the Sopwith Salamander.
Mel

[windriver]

Salmson engined?

The Russain Anasal perhaps?

[MReyn24050]

Salmson engined - yes. The Russain Anasal - no.

[larssnowpharter]

I shall stick with the Russian theme and suggest a Lebed product; possibly the XII

[MReyn24050]

larssnowpharter. Sorry Lars you are on a the wrong track, this aircraft was not from Russia.
Mel

[Akubra]

Maybe its the Salmson 2A.2? http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o131/acubra/salmson-2a2.jpg

[windriver]

Maybe its the Salmson 2A.2?

I had a look at this as well and oddly (according to my source) it didn`t have a Salmson Engine... however it's quite likely I`m wrong... If Akubra's choice is wrong may we eliminate French aircraft?

[MReyn24050]

Akubra Is correct it is indeed the instrument panel of the Salmson 2A2.:ok::D
The Salmson Motor Company founded in 1890 by Émile Salmson and based in Boulogne-Billancourt, near Paris, was originally an automobile company. During the First World War, it built aircraft engines, generally 9- and later 18-cylinder water-cooled radial engines developed from the Swiss Canton-Unné design. The company's first entry into aircraft design came with the Salmson-Moineau S.M. 1, an unusual three-seat reconnaissance biplane with twin airscrews gear-driven from a single Salmson engine in the nose of the fuselage. These aircraft, of which 155 were built, were not especially successful.
The Salmson 2 developed from a requirement to replace the Sopwith 1½ Strutter and Dorand A.R. reconnaissance aircraft in the A2 (tactical reconnaissance) role. Salmson had built the 1½ Strutter under license, and the Salmson 2, while an original design, owed more to the Sopwith than to the earlier Salmson-Moineau. The aircraft was of conventional construction, powered by the company's own 9Z water-cooled radial engine of 230 bhp.
Japan undertook license production as the "Army Type Otsu 1", also known as the Kawasaki-Salmson. About 600 were built initially, half by Kawasaki, half by the Imperial Japanese Army's Tokorozawa supply depot. Further orders may have brought the total built in Japan to around a thousand.
My challenge photograph is of the instrument panel of a Japanese Salmson 2A2. Windriver. This is a French Drawing showing the instrument layout.
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c67/sabamel/Aircraft/Cockpit%20quiz/Salmson2A2PanelDrawing.jpg
Canton offered an S2 biplane powered by two 230 hp Canton-Unné engines. The main armament was to be four Lewis machine guns, firing forwards and downwards; a fifth gun was provided to defend the rear. This aircraft was found totally unacceptable. The armour plate was relatively thin at 4 mm, but nevertheless the Canton aircraft struggled to get off the ground when fitted with it. According to test reports, it could not climb higher than about 30 m, probably barely out of ground effect.
Akubra you have control :)

[Akubra]

Heres the next challenge, Sorry about the quality.
I doubt it will last very long.

http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o131/acubra/wcp44.jpg

[evansb]

Is it from de Havilland?

[Akubra]

Is it from de Havilland?
Yes it is evansb.

[MReyn24050]

De Havilland Leopard Moth perhaps

[Akubra]

MReyn24050 has it!:ok:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/De_Havilland_Leopard_Moth

The photo is indeed A DH 85 that is specially equipped for blind flying.
Photo taken from the article, Art and Craft of Airmanship 2 " First steps to Flying" By Major Oliver Stewart, M.C., A.F.C

[MReyn24050]

Thanks Akubra, a very interesting challenge, certainly a different panel.
I am sure this next one will be no problem.
Mel
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c67/sabamel/Aircraft/Cockpit%20quiz/Cockpitquiz291.jpg

[windriver]

Jetstream 31

[MReyn24050]

Well done windriver :ok::D. It indeed a Scottish Aviation Jetstream
You have control.
Mel

[windriver]

Not so well done really...it's one I ought to have got right... I flew around 1500 hrs on type.

Here's one that may prove interesting...


http://www.content-delivery.co.uk/89-09.jpg

[MReyn24050]

A very interesting challenge. :). I have an idea about this one.Please check your PMs.
Mel

[LowNSlow]

Is it a Klemm L26??

[windriver]

Not a Klemm.. sorry

[Kitbag]

Something Eastern European perhaps, Czechoslovakian Avia?

[windriver]

Sorry Kitbag not Eastern European..

[Kitbag]

So, Western European then?

[windriver]

Yes Western European :)

[evansb]

B.A. Swallow II?

[windriver]

No sorry not the BA Swallow... Right country of manufacture but a few years later.

[evansb]

Is it the Marendaz Trainer?

[MReyn24050]

Bri
I am sure you have hit the nail on the head.
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c67/sabamel/Aircraft/MarendazTrainer.jpg
The one and only Marendaz Trainer.

[evansb]

Quite the challenge, windriver! Thanks Mel. Only after eliminating de Havilland, General Aircraft, Heston, and Parnall from the list, did I consider the un-British sounding Marendaz Company to be a contender. I understand the one-off aircraft had leading-edge tip slots, unusual for the time. Here is the next cockpit:

http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/3953813.jpg

[MReyn24050]

I too would like to congratulate on windriver finding that challenge. :D:D

[Dan Winterland]

A small (but very spotterish!) point of order on Windriver's Jetstream answer. Mel did indeed confirm it's a Jetstream, but it's not a 31 as stated. It's actually a -200 as confirmed by the condition levers for the Aztazous on the centre pedestal. But to be even more accurate, it's a T Mk1 as previously operated by the RAF as a trainer. This is confirmed by the twin PTR175 UHF radio fit.

Pedantic, but i like to be accurate :hmm:

[av8boy]

The wheel made me think Curtis Seagull, but, um, no. Not even close. How about a Short Shamrock (Shirl)?

If I'm right, the floor is open. Off to bed soon and brother-in-law's 40th birthday party tomorrow... :ok:

Dave

[evansb]

av8boy is spot on:ok: Very well done:D The Short Shamrock was the ill-fated craft piloted by Major Wood and Captain Wylie on April 19, 1919. In a bid to cross the Atlantic and win the Daily Mail 10,000 pound stirling prize, the engine faltered, and the aircraft was ditched off the coast of Wales, smashing on the beach at Holyhead. As stated, the floor is open. Have fun Dave!

[MReyn24050]

Dan. I do apologise you are quite correct in that the aircraft posted was not a Jetstream 31 and I should have made that clear at the time of accepting windriver's answer. You are of course correct it was a photograph of the panel belonging to a RAF Jetstream T Mk1 powered by Astazou XVID engines. I believe in fact the aircraft concerned was XX499 callsign 'G'. As you rightly say previously operated by the RAF as a trainer.
Here is the panel of a Jestream 31.
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c67/sabamel/Aircraft/Cockpit%20quiz/BritishAerospaceBAe-3103Jetsream31.jpg
Many thanks for raising the point.

[windriver]

Just beat me to it...

By way of a penance here's the two side by side for comparison... (T1 on the left)

http://www.content-delivery.co.uk/j-t-31.jpg


The Garret

http://www.content-delivery.co.uk/331.jpg

And finally a link to an article on the Marendaz (pdf format)

http://www.content-delivery.co.uk/Marendaz.pdf


If no images it's due to Pipex DNS problems... they should reappear in due course...

[MReyn24050]

Here is the next one, not as unique as windriver's one so I don't think it will cause any problems.
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c67/sabamel/Aircraft/Cockpit%20quiz/Cockpitquiz292.jpg
Mel

[windriver]

Three engines? - Savoia-Marchetti SM-73

[MReyn24050]

windriver. Three engines yes but Savoia-Marchetti SM-73 No.
Mel

[larssnowpharter]

One is probably in the wrong country, yet again which says something for my navigational skills.

I will suggest USA and possibly the Boeing Model 80.

[MReyn24050]

larssnowpharter.
Sorry, this aircraft did not originate from the USA.
Mel

[Fitter2]

The Italians did have a sort of fetish for 3 engines - is Windriver in the right country?

[con-pilot]

Is it a seaplane?

[MReyn24050]

Fitter2 - No, windriver was in the wrong country but the right continent.
Con-piolt - No, this aircraft was not a seaplane.
Mel

[windriver]

I'm currently looking at German candidates... should I continue to do so?

[MReyn24050]

windriver - I'm currently looking at German candidates... should I continue to do so? - No but you are close.

[windriver]

Fokker F.VII or licence built built derivative?

[evansb]

Fokker F-20.

[MReyn24050]

windriver sorry it is an aircraft by Fokker but after all your hard work you have been pipped at the post. evansb has it is indeed the Fokker F.XX
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c67/sabamel/Aircraft/FokkerFXX-1.jpg
evansb has control.

[evansb]

Thanks Mel. Here is the next challenge:
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/970000.jpg

[windriver]

I don`t know where to start on this challenge. :confused:
Looks a bit like a Glider?? -
What are the 5 tubes on the left?

[MReyn24050]

What are the 5 tubes on the left?

I wondered that, they look like those devices people have to keep coins in for parking meters :)

[evansb]

It is a glider. Only 3 were produced, although 70 were planned.

[con-pilot]

What are the 5 tubes on the left?

Cigar holders? :)


(Okay, I'll guit.)

[windriver]

I`ll start the ball rolling then..Military - Slingsby Henghist.

Control columns and not wheels so presumably a "lightish glider"

[evansb]

Not a Slingsby. Not from GB. Aircraft had a MTOW of 2,100 kg.

[windriver]

The German DFS 230?

[evansb]

Not German. First flight in 1944.

[stevef]

An educated guess is that the tubes are recognition flare holders. I've got no idea what airframe they're attached to though...

[the incivil beast]

Swedish transport glider (lastglidare) Lg 105 - Built by AB Flygindustri Fi-3
see here (http://www.avrosys.nu/aircraft/Segel/905Lg105.htm)

[MReyn24050]

That is the one :ok:. At least it was at "What Cockpit III" page 6 Post#111.

[the incivil beast]

Thanks, here is the next "What cockpit" (checked the list)
http://www.marc-till.com/tmp/cockpit11.jpg

[windriver]

Rallye ST150?

Re the last challenge...Interesting ... and just curious...why would Sweden feel the need to develop a military transport glider at this time?

[the incivil beast]

Sorry, not a Rallye

[evansb]

I don't know what type it is, but the fake wood grain dash and chrome bezel Stewart Warner engine gauges fairly scream 1970s American.