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TheiC
4th Feb 2012, 17:17
Temco TT-1 Super Pinto

evansb has it!

A very nice personal aircraft, by the looks of this one, even if it didn't meet the military's needs.

evansb
4th Feb 2012, 20:45
Thank you. Here is the next challenge:
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/WCP120204.jpg

TheiC
4th Feb 2012, 21:02
Hmmm... Thinking out loud...

Slow...
Twin engine...
No caution range, so turbine...
No handle etc, so fixed gear...
Unpressurised...
Utilitarian...
Red levers are confusing, does it have PEC?
Kitted for single pilot, so <5.7 tonnes

sycamore
4th Feb 2012, 21:19
Russian..? gear handle behind left wheel..?

TheiC
4th Feb 2012, 21:52
...similar power gauges with slightly dis-similar limitations...
Unfamiliar units, perhaps...
What's the box above the three nav/comms?

What an interesting conundrum!

evansb
4th Feb 2012, 22:02
You lads are very good, but it is not Russian.

The latest version of the mystery cockpit is available with glass cockpit avionics.

asw28-866
5th Feb 2012, 07:42
Spanish? CASA C-212 Aviocar?

'866

TheiC
5th Feb 2012, 07:51
Thinking about those gauges: is it a puller/pusher?

evansb
5th Feb 2012, 07:55
Sorry, not a CASA 212. Like the CASA 212, it is available in military and civilian versions, and is widely exported.

TheiC
5th Feb 2012, 08:15
Could it be the PZL M28?

sycamore
5th Feb 2012, 12:55
CN-235....?

evansb
5th Feb 2012, 14:27
TheiC is correct.:ok: The version pictured is the M28B Bryza. Your turn.

TheiC
5th Feb 2012, 15:21
Many thanks. I'm now thinking that the two gauges are the N1 and N2 values, and the duplex needles are poorly marked...

http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k518/iCiCiCiCiC/PZLM28instruments.png

It's the two under the rad alt and standby AI, which have different caution ranges - hence my thought that we might be dealing with a pusher/puller... If anyone knows what they are, exactly, I'd be interested to know.

Anyhow, on to the next challenge, which (if no-one minds - please say if you do) is an engineering mock-up:

http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k518/iCiCiCiCiC/5Feb20121.jpg

I hope this one might last a little longer than my previous attempt!

TheiC
5th Feb 2012, 19:31
Perhaps this will help, too:

http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k518/iCiCiCiCiC/5feb20124.jpg

SincoTC
5th Feb 2012, 21:44
Good call on the PZL M28 TheiC:D!

Your photos show an engineering mock-up; did the aircraft progress beyond this stage and fly, and if so did it reach production?

TheiC
6th Feb 2012, 01:11
Thanks!

It would be fair to answer "not yet" to both of your questions...

Harley Quinn
6th Feb 2012, 05:55
Not seeing much in the way of engine information or control for that matter, is it prop or jet? Side by side up front, any other pax/crew further back?

TheiC
6th Feb 2012, 06:03
No propeller here! And it's a two-seater...

TheiC
6th Feb 2012, 13:04
...and I think I can see some engine controls. The powerplant instrumentation may be planned to be displayed on the MFD, perhaps?

SincoTC
6th Feb 2012, 14:35
A'rtnoon TheiC,

Hmmm, been thinking outside the box and conclude that maybe outside the atmosphere might be the way to go!!

Could it be the XCOR Lynx sub-orbital rocket-plane ???

If it is correct, then please call an Open House as I'm back to work now, then if nobody puts another one up, I'll sort something out when I get home tonight.

TheiC
6th Feb 2012, 14:44
You have bested me, Sir! :ok:

I really hoped this one would be more perlexing, but it is the Xcor Lynx.

I thought the ASI scale might have been the giveaway...

I'm assuming, by the way, that the cluster of four guarded toggle switches are something to do with the control for the Lynx's four rocket engines.

SincoTC has declared an Open House (until his home time, at least!).

SincoTC
6th Feb 2012, 17:23
Evening Mike6567 and welcome to the thread :)

Reading between the lines of your comments with the picture you posted, I infer that you don't actually know what the aircraft is!

If this is the case, then it makes the "quiz" aspect of this particular thread somewhat difficult and I would respectfully suggest that you re-post it one level up, in the parent Aviation History and Nostalgia page, by starting a new thread with something like "Please help identifying aircraft" as its title. I suspect that you would probably get a better response as many highly knowledgeable folk read the main page, but have no interest in the various quiz threads and so might not see it here. Quite a few similar requests have been posted there in the past and have all been positively answered, often with pleasing and unexpected results.

If I've misread the situation and you know enough about it to stand in judgement on any responses, then please leave it where it is and we'll all have a crack at it :ok:

Mike6567
6th Feb 2012, 18:14
Thanks SincoTC. I have deleted the post. Please check your PM.
Someone else can now continue.
Mike

SincoTC
6th Feb 2012, 23:36
Thanks Mike,

Replied to PM and sent possible lead on Tudor :)

Sorry for the delay guys and gals, when I got home my internet was down again! Seems OK now, so here goes:

http://i1138.photobucket.com/albums/n540/SincoSafe/TC_WzztCP030.jpg

SincoTC
7th Feb 2012, 20:49
All very quiet :(!! Time for a clue!

No armarment on this one, but its name was double barrelled :)

Harley Quinn
7th Feb 2012, 21:16
Was going to suggest AW Argosy, but this only seems to have instruments/controls for 1 engine.
Also looking closer seems to have the upper wing in front of cockpit, so smallish European biplane?

SincoTC
7th Feb 2012, 21:32
Evening HQ,

Your analysis is correct! :)

Harley Quinn
7th Feb 2012, 21:44
Flat topped fuselage, silver doped.

Stuck!

SincoTC
7th Feb 2012, 21:46
Don't forget my clue four posts ago, that narrows the field quite a bit

Harley Quinn
8th Feb 2012, 05:41
Probably if you have 'Janes All The Worlds Aircraft Manufacturer with Double Barrelled Names' book ;)

Guessing this is early period post WWI? 1920-1925?

Given the guns reference, wartime manufacturer?

SincoTC
8th Feb 2012, 05:54
Morning HQ,

No armarment on this one, but its name was double barrelled

No guns on this one, 'tis a trainer/tourer biplane of the period you mention. Be advised that the source of the photo (airliners.net) uses the double-barrell name, some sites only use the second, another well-known manufacturer and show nothing for the first who did not manufacture this model. Wiki list it under the double-barrelled name, but they don't have any info :)

SincoTC
8th Feb 2012, 06:59
Going off-line for about an hour, another clue, it's French

Edit: Monitoring resumed; I will add that both names are well known to aviation minded individuals and the first is known to everybody!!

TheiC
8th Feb 2012, 09:00
Could it be the Blériot-SPAD S.34?

TheiC
8th Feb 2012, 09:08
Correction: It seems to be the 54?

SincoTC
8th Feb 2012, 09:17
Morning TheiC,

It was a derivative of the S.34 and is indeed the Bleriot-Spad 54 Well done :D !

This is the Aviafrance photo (under Spad) with a cowled Clerget engine; the many photos on airliners.net show the uncowled machine F-AHBE in the Musee de l'Air et de l'Espace

http://i1138.photobucket.com/albums/n540/SincoSafe/Spad54.jpg

TheiC has control :ok:

TheiC
8th Feb 2012, 09:23
Thank you... One of the best aviation museums, I think, and with the very best restaurant. Le Bourget day-stops were always pleasure!

Here's the fresh challenge:

http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k518/iCiCiCiCiC/8Feb2012.jpg

SincoTC
8th Feb 2012, 09:30
Indeed, a very good museum!

Back to work now, will look back during breaks :)

skytrain10
8th Feb 2012, 10:02
Looks like a Tupolev TU-154?

TheiC
8th Feb 2012, 10:09
Looks like a Tupolev TU-154?

http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k518/iCiCiCiCiC/8Feb20122.jpg

...because it is! A Tu 154B, to be exact. Amazed it wasn't on the list!

Time to get onboard with Skytrain, who now has control!

skytrain10
8th Feb 2012, 10:27
Thank you.

Time to get onboard with Skytrain Won't be room for many on board this aircraft :)

http://i551.photobucket.com/albums/ii457/kendyer/2858ca26.jpg

Harley Quinn
8th Feb 2012, 18:28
Interesting canopy arrangement; it is a weird shape to slide, has very high sills for a car door style. Is it a rear hinged clamshell?

skytrain10
8th Feb 2012, 18:44
has very high sills for a car door style. Is it a rear hinged clamshell? Evening Harley...not rear hinged, but it could be considered car door style, should your car happen to be a DeLorean:)

Harley Quinn
8th Feb 2012, 18:51
Guess you don't mean its made from stainless steel, so gull wing doors?

skytrain10
8th Feb 2012, 20:05
gull wing doors Apologies had to attend to a few things....yes, gull wing doors:ok:

Harley Quinn
9th Feb 2012, 05:27
Struggling. Cessna 350?

skytrain10
9th Feb 2012, 08:11
Cessna 350? Not the Corvalis Harley. But it is an American design. 1960's.

MReyn24050
9th Feb 2012, 09:02
Looks to me like the Lake Buccaneer.

skytrain10
9th Feb 2012, 09:33
Looks to me like the Lake Buccaneer. It is indeed Mel, well done:ok:

Here's one with the gull wing doors open:

http://i551.photobucket.com/albums/ii457/kendyer/1bda466f.jpg

You have control Mel

MReyn24050
10th Feb 2012, 14:42
Thanks Ken. Sorry for the delay.Still trying to shake off this bug, cough and cold. Will have to be Open House I am afraid.

TheiC
10th Feb 2012, 17:24
Try this for size:

http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k518/iCiCiCiCiC/10Feb2012.jpg

MReyn24050
10th Feb 2012, 17:29
The 'What Cockpit' List has been updated up to and including 09 Feb 2012.
Mel

TheiC
10th Feb 2012, 17:30
(A good time, then, to say 'Thanks!' for your work, Mel).

:D:D:D

skytrain10
10th Feb 2012, 17:42
Dassault Falcon 2000?

TheiC
10th Feb 2012, 18:00
Well, strictly speaking, a Falcon 2000 EX EASy... But the image of a 'vanilla' Falcon 2000 was guessed as 'Falcon 20' and control was handed over, so you're closer than the respondent was that time!

And in only 12 minutes!!!

The guard's waving his green flag for the Skytrain again! (Did Sir Freddie have Guards instead of Pursors?).

skytrain10
10th Feb 2012, 19:01
Thanks TheIC:ok:

Did Sir Freddie have Guards instead of Pursors? I wouldn't have minded be guarded by them, but sorry to disappoint, not Guards, or Purser's come to that.

http://i551.photobucket.com/albums/ii457/kendyer/3e814cd4.jpg

Offline for a while but will look in later.

TheiC
10th Feb 2012, 19:11
Pucara perhaps?????

skytrain10
10th Feb 2012, 21:00
Pucara perhaps????? The FMA Pucara it is - and in just 10 mins:ok:

Back to you TheIC

TheiC
10th Feb 2012, 21:09
Muchas Gracias...

Another prototype:

http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k518/iCiCiCiCiC/10Feb20125_hf.jpg

MReyn24050
11th Feb 2012, 12:56
Dornier 228 NG perhaps?

TheiC
11th Feb 2012, 13:02
Ja, richtig!

The RUAG Dornier 228 production prototype.

YOU HAVE CONTROL...

MReyn24050
11th Feb 2012, 13:14
Thanks TheiC. Here is the next one:-
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c67/sabamel/Cockpitquiz401-1.jpg

Harley Quinn
11th Feb 2012, 15:26
Obviously German, WWII? Trainer Recce?

MReyn24050
11th Feb 2012, 15:39
Yes I confirm it was a German aircraft, mid 1930s. Designed for recce purposes.

Harley Quinn
11th Feb 2012, 15:55
Henschel HS126?

MReyn24050
11th Feb 2012, 16:01
This one is not the Henschel HS126.

Harley Quinn
11th Feb 2012, 16:04
Heinkel He 60 then?

MReyn24050
11th Feb 2012, 18:33
It is not a Heinkel aircraft.

Harley Quinn
11th Feb 2012, 19:11
Focke Wulf FW62

SincoTC
11th Feb 2012, 20:19
Evening Mel,

I hope you've managed to shake off that bug, cough and cold you had the other day!

As always, many thanks for your great work on the Lists!! :ok:

Is that an Arado Ar.95 ??

MReyn24050
11th Feb 2012, 23:11
Hi Trevor. Thanks you and others for their kind comments. Yes, I think the bug has been mastered at last. The challenge aircraft is as you say the Arado Ar.95
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c67/sabamel/AradoAr95-1.jpg

You have control.

SincoTC
11th Feb 2012, 23:27
Thanks Mel,

Glad to hear that you've booted the bug :ok:

And now for something a little more modern!

http://i1138.photobucket.com/albums/n540/SincoSafe/TC_WzztCP031.jpg

MReyn24050
12th Feb 2012, 11:14
Well Trevor, I would not accuse you of sitting on the fence with this one. I believe the aircraft is still in service with a number of countries.
Mel

SincoTC
12th Feb 2012, 11:29
Good afternoon Mel,

I believe the aircraft is still in service with a number of countries

There's no way I can parry a question like that is there ;)

As you say, it does remain in service with a number of countries!

Do you want to give me the name, or shall I award you control now :)

MReyn24050
12th Feb 2012, 11:49
Not yet Trevor, :):) let it run for a bit.

MReyn24050
12th Feb 2012, 12:08
On second thoughts that is not fair on you Trevor. It is of course the Sukhoi Su24.
Mel

SincoTC
12th Feb 2012, 12:26
Thank you Mel, there' no foiling you :)!

As you say, it is the Sukhoi Su 24 (NATO code name Fencer)

MReyn24050 has control :ok:

MReyn24050
12th Feb 2012, 12:55
Thanks Trevor. Here is the next one. This one was not quite such an epee (ic) aircraft nor was it used for sabre rattling
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c67/sabamel/Cockpitquiz417.jpg

evansb
13th Feb 2012, 08:46
Okay Mel, I'll bite. Based on the vertical readout format of some engine instruments, I'll surmise the cockpit is of German origin. Correct or way off?

MReyn24050
13th Feb 2012, 11:00
You are correct Bri. This aircraft was from a German Manufacturer.

evansb
14th Feb 2012, 21:09
Mel, given the asymmetrical cockpit, the radio position et al, my guess is the Heinkel He.70 Blitz mail plane.

MReyn24050
15th Feb 2012, 11:36
Bri. Sorry for the delay. The aircraft was for Civil purposes and flew about the same time as the Heinkel He.70 but this one was not manufactured by Heinkel.
Mel

Capot
15th Feb 2012, 16:01
It is of course the Sukhoi Su24.It's theof coursethat gets to us mere mortals.

SincoTC
16th Feb 2012, 22:31
Of course; this one is a bit more difficult :\:\!!! I have been looking, honest I have guv :ugh:

MReyn24050
16th Feb 2012, 23:06
Of course; this one is a bit more difficult !!! I have been looking, honest I have guv

Time for a few clues perhaps. Built and flown circa 1930 designed for "passenger work on medium services".

SincoTC
16th Feb 2012, 23:49
Thank you Mel,

Based on the new information, how about the Focke-Wulf A.32 Bussard ??

MReyn24050
17th Feb 2012, 00:16
That is the one Trevor. The Focke-Wulf A.32 Bussard.
The Focke-Wulf A 32 Bussard (German: "Buzzard") was a small airliner produced in Germany in the early 1930s. It was developed rapidly at the request of NOBA when Messerschmitt was unable to deliver aircraft on schedule. Based closely on the A 20, the A 32 had a revised fuselage with greater seating capacity, and an engine of over twice the power. The two examples operated by NOBA became part of Deutsche Luft Hansa's fleet in 1934

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c67/sabamel/6640.jpg

You have control.

SincoTC
17th Feb 2012, 03:07
Thanks Mel,

That was a great challenge :ok:

I can't log onto PB at the moment, |I will put up anther one ASAP.

SincoTC
17th Feb 2012, 08:35
Apologies for the delay, slow connection kept timing-out!

Here's the next mystery cockpit!

http://i1138.photobucket.com/albums/n540/SincoSafe/TC_WzztCP032.jpg

MReyn24050
17th Feb 2012, 09:31
Looking at the aircraft in the background are we in a Russian Aircraft Museum? If so the aircraft must be Russian, single engine perhaps.

SincoTC
17th Feb 2012, 09:47
Good morning Mel,

It is Russian, in a Russian Museum and it has twin tractor propellers :)

MReyn24050
17th Feb 2012, 09:50
Morning Trevor. An interesting aircraft that was the subject of an AviaQuiz challenge I believe not that long ago. The Antonov An 181?

SincoTC
17th Feb 2012, 09:59
I remembered seeing it on a low-loader, thought it was on SC, but now you mention it I think it was AQ. What pleased me was that it wasn't on your List, as so many ones I hope to use are :)!!

Yes, it is the Antonov An 181, a channel wing research aircraft that I believe ran out of funding before it flew :(

http://i1138.photobucket.com/albums/n540/SincoSafe/AntonovAn-181.jpg

You have control :ok:

MReyn24050
17th Feb 2012, 10:02
Thanks Trevor. Here is another one from way back I am afraid:-
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c67/sabamel/Cockpitquiz418.jpg

SincoTC
17th Feb 2012, 12:35
Hmm! Yes, I saw this one last night when I was looking on the web for your Bussard cockpit photo, in fact it was on the same page, (and I bet you've got the book), but the text was too distorted to read, otherwise I would have been tempted to use it myself :E !

So by a process of elimination, to mix metaphors, I think it's another bird from the same stable; the Focke Wulf A-43 Falke ??

MReyn24050
17th Feb 2012, 13:36
You have got it Trevor it is indeed the Focke Wulf A-43 Falke.
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c67/sabamel/Fw_43_from_left_side_420x197.jpg

You have control once again.:ok:

SincoTC
17th Feb 2012, 14:45
Thanks Mel,

Here's the next one, its progenitor has been on here many years ago, but this variant is said to have had a new cockpit, although this one looks a little tired!!

http://i1138.photobucket.com/albums/n540/SincoSafe/TC_WzztCP033.jpg

back to work now, but will leave my light on and monitor when possible

sycamore
17th Feb 2012, 19:06
Certainly not a Miles Magister, more like ` Le Fouga `one...? Ouvrez la Porte ?

SincoTC
17th Feb 2012, 19:36
Evening sycamore, you're on the right track there; now let me know what this one is called :)

sycamore
17th Feb 2012, 19:48
A plain vanilla CM170 Magister...? OH if correct

SincoTC
17th Feb 2012, 20:03
a plain vanilla CM170 Magister...?

Sorry, it's not; take note of what I said when I posted it :)!

MReyn24050
17th Feb 2012, 20:37
Fouga CM.175 Zéphyr perhaps?

SincoTC
17th Feb 2012, 20:42
Sorry Mel, not the Zephyr!

Noyade
17th Feb 2012, 20:51
Evening Trevor. Fouga 90? Or are we all on the wrong track?

Edit... Second thoughts. The 90 cockpit would look more modern than this?

SincoTC
17th Feb 2012, 20:53
G'day Graeme,

It's a Fouga design, but not made in France :)

MReyn24050
17th Feb 2012, 20:54
Then it has to be the Israeli IAI CM-170R Tzukit.

SincoTC
17th Feb 2012, 20:59
Then it has to be the Israeli IAI CM-170R Tzukit

It is indeed Mel, well done :D

The Israeli Air Force operated a license manufactured version, the IAI Tzukit. While principally a trainer, it was used in the 1967 Six Day War by 147 Squadron as a close support aircraft, attacking targets on the Egyptian front during the first day of the war, when Israel's more capable combat aircraft were deployed on Operation Focus against Arab air bases. They were then deployed against Jordanian forces, including armour, on the West Bank. The Magister proved effective at the close-support mission albeit with heavy casualties, with six being lost

http://i1138.photobucket.com/albums/n540/SincoSafe/IAICM-170RTzukit.jpg

MReyn24050 has control again :ok:

Noyade
17th Feb 2012, 21:01
German?

Potez-Heinkel P 191?

Or...

http://img221.imageshack.us/img221/2006/img450n.jpg (http://img221.imageshack.us/i/img450n.jpg/)

Noyade
17th Feb 2012, 21:03
Disregard that.

Well done Mel. Feeling better? Back to doing a 100 push-ups in the morning? :)

MReyn24050
17th Feb 2012, 21:04
Hi Graeme. Fine thanks, I gave up doing those years ago.:)
Here is the next one. This aircraft has been done before but in a production version.
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c67/sabamel/Cockpitquiz421.jpg

evansb
18th Feb 2012, 00:54
VFW-614 flying prototype ?

MReyn24050
18th Feb 2012, 13:11
You have it Bri. :ok: The VFW 614 Prototype
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c67/sabamel/VFW614.jpg

You have control.

evansb
18th Feb 2012, 13:23
Thanks Mel. Anyone remember which aircraft had inflatable bags that secured the main landing gear when retracted? Me neither.. Anyway, here is the next challenge:


http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/WCP120218.jpg

BSD
18th Feb 2012, 16:50
Inflatable bags around the undercarriage? The very early 737s had an inflatable seal which sealed the gear bay, as no doors were provided to enclose the main gear fully, but these were soon dispensed with as not necessary and troublesome. Several thousand aeroplanes later, they are clearly still not missed.

The main gears were still held up by an uplock.

No idea what it is you've just posted; intrigued though by the device to the right of the "stirrup" pump in the bottom right hand corner of the picture. Looks like the sort of thing once used to record/playback music or speech on a wax cylinder. What on earth is that?

Love this thread, always worth a look,

Best regards to all,

BSD.

SincoTC
18th Feb 2012, 19:37
With that offset cockpit, it looks like it's a Heinkel He-70 Blitz ??

evansb
18th Feb 2012, 23:13
Yes. Your welcome. It is a Heinkel He.70. SincoTC has control.

SincoTC
18th Feb 2012, 23:29
Thanks Brian,

Regret, it'll have to be Open House this time as I will be unable to monitor tomorrow :(

MReyn24050
20th Feb 2012, 19:15
Here is the next one:-
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c67/sabamel/Cockpitquiz422.jpg

India Four Two
22nd Feb 2012, 01:04
Hi Mel,

Is it German?

Simon

MReyn24050
22nd Feb 2012, 12:27
Hi Simon, Sorry for the delay. Yes it is German.
Mel

dash7fan
22nd Feb 2012, 17:23
Is it on floats? He 114?

MReyn24050
22nd Feb 2012, 18:27
dash7fan.
This one did not have floats nor were Heinkel the manufacturers.
Mel

Noyade
22nd Feb 2012, 19:09
Hi Mel.

Struts running between the top fuselage and the wings. A braced monoplane?
Did it serve in any military capacity during WWII?

Harley Quinn
22nd Feb 2012, 19:47
Focke Wulf FW 44 Stieglitz?

Harley Quinn
22nd Feb 2012, 19:53
Focke Wulf FW 44 Stieglitz?

Nope more like the Bucker Jungmann

sycamore
22nd Feb 2012, 20:57
Flettner,or Focke-Wulf..?

MReyn24050
22nd Feb 2012, 22:34
Graeme.
Not a braced monoplane. The aircraft was around the time of WWII but did not take part.
Harley Quinn
This aircraft is neither the Focke-Wulf FW 44 Stieglitz nor the Bucker Jungmann.
Sycamore.
The aircraft was from the Focke-Wulf stables.

SincoTC
22nd Feb 2012, 23:13
Evening Mel,

Convinced that the glimpse of struts warranted further attention (plus the additional small bracing strut onto them), I began thinking U/C and then a bit laterally, your answers were carefully phrased, possibly it has no wings!!

I haven't got time to look for a cockpit picture, but the struts fit perfectly, as do the clues, plus a good bit of cropping to avoid the pylon :ok:so I'll take a punt!

I think it may be the Focke-Wulf Fw 186 Autogyro??

My first visit since Saturday, it's been very hectic with visitors/consultants/meetings etc, plus a pressing deadline for an important shipment to Japan by this Friday, so I don't know when I'll get back again :(:(. Therefore, Open House please if correct

MReyn24050
23rd Feb 2012, 00:03
Trevor has it. It is indeed the Focke-Wulf Fw186 Autogyro.:ok::D

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c67/sabamel/FockeWulfFw186.jpg
The Focke-Wulf Fw 186 was a one-man autogyro built by Focke-Wulf in 1937 with backing from the RLM (ReichsLuftfahrtMinisterium - Reich Aviation Ministry), for use as a liaison and reconnaissance aircraft, and featured short takeoff and landing characteristics. However only one prototype of the aircraft was constructed, and the project was abandoned when the RLM preferred the Fieseler Fi 156 Storch over the Fw 186.

The photograph was cropped to remove the pylon, otherwise it would have been too easy.
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c67/sabamel/FW186V1.jpg
Trevor has declared Open House.

evansb
23rd Feb 2012, 15:30
Identify this one:


http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/WCP120223.jpg

MReyn24050
23rd Feb 2012, 16:25
Well one thing I do know is that it used DECCA Navigator.

evansb
23rd Feb 2012, 16:40
Yes, Mel. Well spotted! The red, green and purple lines quickly identified the navigators and pilots who faked the colour test. You can't navigate with DECCA if you are afflicted with protanopia, deuteranopia, or tritanopia.

sycamore
23rd Feb 2012, 17:13
I think it`s a Hovercraft...

sabredog
23rd Feb 2012, 18:25
SRN6 Hovercraft?

evansb
23rd Feb 2012, 19:30
Terrence is correct.:ok: The long-serving Saunders-Roe SR.N6.

You have control.

sabredog
23rd Feb 2012, 19:43
Thank you,Brian, but I think control should go to Sycamore.
I am somewhat surprised that he did not follow through with his inspired "Hovercraft" suggestion!

sycamore
23rd Feb 2012, 21:03
Sorry, all yours....couldn`t find any pics..

sabredog
23rd Feb 2012, 21:30
Thank you Sycamore.
The next challenge;
http://i1089.photobucket.com/albums/i352/mosquito633/Quiz66-1.jpg

MReyn24050
23rd Feb 2012, 23:15
A Leo et Olivier LeO-451 I believe.
Mel

sabredog
24th Feb 2012, 06:37
You believe correctly,Mel. Well done.
YHC.

MReyn24050
24th Feb 2012, 09:15
Thanks Terry. Here is the next one:-
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c67/sabamel/Cockpitquiz423.jpg

dixi188
24th Feb 2012, 09:17
Re. evansb's post 6880:

I don't think it's the SRN 6 as this was a single engine hovercraft. I've found the same photo but I think the caption is wrong.

The SRN 3 and SRN 4 were both 4 engined but these don't look right either.

Any ideas?

MReyn24050
24th Feb 2012, 10:05
Re. evansb's post 6880:

I don't think it's the SRN 6 as this was a single engine hovercraft. I've found the same photo but I think the caption is wrong.

The SRN 3 and SRN 4 were both 4 engined but these don't look right either.

Any ideas?

I think it is the Saunders Roe SRN2 as the window layout matches the photograph evansb submitted.
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c67/sabamel/lsrn25.jpg
Also the SRN2 also had 4 engines. (4 x 815 shp Bristol Siddeley Nimbus engines
- 2 for lift, 2 for propulsion)

This video has an great shot of the cockpit at about 4.05 Mins which confirms that it is the SRN2 complete with Decca Navigator.
Mel.
Selected originals - HOVERCRAFT FOR FERRY - British Pathé (http://www.britishpathe.com/video/selected-originals-hovercraft-for-ferry/query/SRN2)

dixi188
24th Feb 2012, 10:18
Thanks M.

Missed that one as it had only 2 props.

sabredog
24th Feb 2012, 18:11
Nakajima J1N "Irving" ?

MReyn24050
24th Feb 2012, 21:11
You have it Terry. :ok::D :)
The Nakajima J1N Gekko
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c67/sabamel/J1N-8.jpg

You have control.

sabredog
24th Feb 2012, 21:41
Looks familiar,Mel!!
Here is the next challenge;
http://i1089.photobucket.com/albums/i352/mosquito633/Quiz66-2.jpg

asw28-866
25th Feb 2012, 05:56
Rake of the screen and metalwork very distinctive, I suggest the Wittman Tailwind?

'866

sabredog
25th Feb 2012, 06:56
Correct,866. Well done.
YHC

asw28-866
25th Feb 2012, 07:15
Thank you Sabredog,

And the next...

http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i155/capthowie_photos/wc250212a.jpg

'866

BSD
25th Feb 2012, 08:54
Cranfield A1?

BSD.

asw28-866
25th Feb 2012, 13:46
Quite correct BSD, it is the one and only Cranfield A1...

http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i155/capthowie_photos/wc250212b.jpg

BSD, You have control.

'866

BSD
25th Feb 2012, 20:29
Cheers to you Asw28-866!

My attempt at posting a cockpit has failed, OH I'm afraid.

Off to work in the early am, back next week.

Best to all,

BSD.

p.s. Been a while since I was last in the Kimberley country. Incredible place..

Noyade
27th Feb 2012, 10:54
Just a different model to the one on Mel's list...

http://img269.imageshack.us/img269/5475/img415.jpg (http://img269.imageshack.us/i/img415.jpg/)

MReyn24050
27th Feb 2012, 18:06
No takers? Dornier 217K I believe.

Noyade
27th Feb 2012, 19:53
That's the one Mel. :ok:

Your control.

MReyn24050
27th Feb 2012, 22:05
Thanks Graeme.
Here is the next:-
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c67/sabamel/Cockpitquiz424.jpg

Noyade
27th Feb 2012, 23:38
Front windscreen is vertical or near-vertical?

MReyn24050
28th Feb 2012, 00:10
As you say, certainly very little rake on it Graeme.

Noyade
28th Feb 2012, 10:08
European Mel?

MReyn24050
28th Feb 2012, 13:09
Not European nor USA.

Noyade
29th Feb 2012, 08:54
Military?
Just the pilot? Or is there a crew/passenger/s?

Peter-RB
29th Feb 2012, 10:08
DH 86?

PeterR-B
Lancashire

MReyn24050
29th Feb 2012, 10:17
PeterR-B this aircraft was not British.
Graeme. The aircraft was designed and built for military purposes just a couple of years before WWII.. It had a crew of 2. It did not go into service

Noyade
29th Feb 2012, 10:36
had a crew of 2. It did not go into service Well, I was thinking it may be just the pilot with a heavily armoured flat windscreen, but now something like the Il-10? Gunner at the back?

Not EuropeanRussian?

http://img339.imageshack.us/img339/4525/img489f.jpg (http://img339.imageshack.us/i/img489f.jpg/)

MReyn24050
29th Feb 2012, 13:48
Not the Il-10 but correct country. This was a fast machine, it was an unusual twin engined aircraft.

skytrain10
29th Feb 2012, 15:31
Is it the Bolkhovitinov S?

MReyn24050
29th Feb 2012, 19:22
You have it Ken.:ok: The Bolkhovitinov S
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c67/sabamel/sparka-8.jpg

You have control.

skytrain10
29th Feb 2012, 20:36
Thanks Mel...wouldn't have got there without the clues :)

Edit, challenge withdrawn as just noticed we've had it before.

Will have to be Open House

skytrain10
29th Feb 2012, 21:27
Here's one that's not on the list!

http://i551.photobucket.com/albums/ii457/kendyer/78c049ee.jpg

skytrain10
1st Mar 2012, 17:35
To help you along with this, what looks like a central windscreen strut is actually the prop in the vertical position. Quite a common aircraft :)

frontlefthamster
1st Mar 2012, 21:18
Reminded me of the Katana, but it's actually a DA-40...

Open house if correct...

skytrain10
1st Mar 2012, 23:05
It is indeed the Diamond DA40 Star frontlefthamster:)

http://www.swaviator.com/images/issues/photosSO05/Diamond2dropped_image.gif

Open House has been declared

Super Cecil
2nd Mar 2012, 03:38
http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p106/Almostoldfart/stuff.jpg

India Four Two
2nd Mar 2012, 04:36
The world's ugliest aircraft - the Transavia PL-12 Airtruk?

Super Cecil
2nd Mar 2012, 05:22
Didn't take long, opened up again.

MReyn24050
2nd Mar 2012, 09:00
Open House? Well here is the next one:-
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c67/sabamel/Cockpitquiz425.jpg

Rosevidney1
2nd Mar 2012, 17:49
I don't mind what it's called. A thing of beauty is a joy for ever!

Noyade
2nd Mar 2012, 18:40
G'day Mel.
I think the arrow points to an exhaust-pipe that flows over the top wing?

http://img594.imageshack.us/img594/8953/cockpitquiz425.jpg (http://img594.imageshack.us/i/cockpitquiz425.jpg/)

The Gwinn Aircar?

http://img834.imageshack.us/img834/8311/gwinnaircar.jpg (http://img834.imageshack.us/i/gwinnaircar.jpg/)


(Mel, did Mr India42 declare open house?)

MReyn24050
2nd Mar 2012, 23:11
Graeme.
The Gwinn Aircar. That is the bird. There surely cannot be an uglier aircraft than that.

My apologies to India Four Two. I jumped the gun I am afraid when I read Super Cecil Post Didn't take long, opened up again. .

I owe India Four Two a post.

India Four Two
3rd Mar 2012, 05:57
No worries, Mel. It's not a serious contest. Anyway, I didn't have my next challenge ready.

I knew it had to be an Airtruk, having recently seen one in the flesh, so to speak, in the Ashburton, NZ museum.

Noyade
3rd Mar 2012, 06:09
No worries, Mel.

No worries all round then. :)

Let's make it open house.

evansb
3rd Mar 2012, 16:10
Poor Noyade needs a flying house-boat. Here is the next challenge:

http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/WCP120303.jpg

Harley Quinn
3rd Mar 2012, 18:08
Metal fuselage, twin pilot operation rules out my first thought about one of the DeH stable. Has a British feeling somehow

evansb
3rd Mar 2012, 18:56
Not from De Havilland, but the British part is obvious..

aerobelly
3rd Mar 2012, 20:49
Taken at Brooklands? And that's a very car-type seat too, so I'll go Straight to the Miles M11.


'b

SincoTC
3rd Mar 2012, 21:28
I'm going for the old Saunders Roe sheds at Cowes and the Saunders Roe A17 Cutty Sark ??

evansb
3rd Mar 2012, 23:13
SincoTC is spot on:ok:. First flight on July 4th, 1929. The amphib was powered by either inline or radial motors. A short but entertaining video, complete with period appropriate music, is available about the SARO Cutty Sark at Alliott Verdon-Roe - Official website (http://www.verdon-roe.co.uk)

http://img526.imageshack.us/img526/5517/saro20cutty20sark.jpg

Your turn.

SincoTC
4th Mar 2012, 01:22
Thanks Brian,

A good challenge :ok:!

Here's the next mystery cockpit.

http://i1138.photobucket.com/albums/n540/SincoSafe/TC_WzztCP034.jpg

Harley Quinn
4th Mar 2012, 11:16
Late thirties freighter?

SincoTC
4th Mar 2012, 11:24
Afternoon HQ,

Late thirties freighter?

It was late thirties, but not a freighter!

Harley Quinn
4th Mar 2012, 14:44
Not a bomber or pax either looking at the way the fuselage is laid out. You been looking at more flying boats?

SincoTC
4th Mar 2012, 15:09
You been looking at more flying boats?

Thought Graeme might still need something floaty :O :ok:

MReyn24050
4th Mar 2012, 15:34
Dornier Do26 I believe.

SincoTC
4th Mar 2012, 15:53
Dornier Do26 I believe

You believe correctly Mel :D

http://i1138.photobucket.com/albums/n540/SincoSafe/Dornier_Do26.jpg

You have control :ok:

MReyn24050
4th Mar 2012, 17:29
Thanks Trevor here is the next one:-

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c67/sabamel/Cockpitquiz426.jpg

evansb
4th Mar 2012, 20:12
Boeing P-29 ?

MReyn24050
4th Mar 2012, 20:45
Bri. Not the Boeing P-29 according to my source which lists it as the XF7B-1. However the aircraft were I understand so very similar I am sure the cockpit layout was the same.
Therefore you have control.

evansb
4th Mar 2012, 22:55
Thanks Mel. I debated which Boeing to call it. The cockpit in your photo just didn't appear to me as experimental. Here is the next mystery cockpit:


http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/WCP120304.jpg

Harley Quinn
5th Mar 2012, 05:51
Was going to suggest the big brother to the Dragonfly's in the background but there seems to be too many vertical pillars in the windscreen, so...

Prototype Sikorsky S-55?

evansb
5th Mar 2012, 11:56
Harley is correct. :ok: The photo is of a Sikorsky H-19 Chickasaw, a.k.a S-55.

Your turn.

India Four Two
5th Mar 2012, 12:27
Boeing P-29 according to my source which lists it as the XF7B-1

Thread drift. In Mel's photo, what are the two (presumably engine) instruments on the left, and also the one below the altimeter and the one marked Down? Any ideas?

evansb
5th Mar 2012, 15:37
I'll hazard a guess. The "DOWN" instrument is for the landing gear, given the novelty of retractable gear at the time. Also relatively new was the radio, situated on the floor, centre, just ahead of the joystick base. As the ship was radio equipped, I think the far left gauges are probably for volt and amperes (generator) output.

Harley Quinn
5th Mar 2012, 19:21
Apologies for the delay, haven't checked Mel's list yet to see if this has been done before:

http://i1157.photobucket.com/albums/p596/Harley_Q/Chall5Mar.jpg

Well, seems it has but the original is no longer displaying.

MReyn24050
6th Mar 2012, 13:32
I believe this is the cockpit of the Russian version of the US Space shuttle i.e.
Buran spacecraft.
Mel

Harley Quinn
6th Mar 2012, 18:37
You believe right. First shown here 3 years ago!

YHC

MReyn24050
6th Mar 2012, 20:04
Thanks Henry. Here is the next one, a few years older than Henry's
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c67/sabamel/Cockpitquiz427.jpg

evansb
7th Mar 2012, 16:57
Is it a Heinkel ? How many were built ?

MReyn24050
7th Mar 2012, 17:39
Bri, you are correct about it being from the Heinkel stable. It was produced in numbers.

aviate1138
7th Mar 2012, 18:34
Was it the He 112, the "Forgotten Fighter"?

evansb
7th Mar 2012, 19:25
Heinkel He.100 ?

MReyn24050
7th Mar 2012, 20:33
Not the He.112 nor the He.100, this one was earlier than those aircraft.

SincoTC
8th Mar 2012, 06:14
Good morning Mel, :)

I can see what looks like a pair of lifting eyes ahead of the cockpit, but no sign of struts, so is it a low-wing catapault-launched float equipped mailplane like the Hienkel He.12 or He.58 ??

No sucess in locating any cockpit pictures.

Going to be very busy today, so regret it will have to be Open House in the unlikely event of being correct!

MReyn24050
8th Mar 2012, 10:11
Trevor. The photograph is perhaps a little misleading, may have been taken during the build. According to my source this aircraft is a biplane, its type number is between the He.12 and He.58. It was designed as a general purpose biplane employed as a trainer and also used in the light bombing role.

SincoTC
8th Mar 2012, 12:45
Thanks Mel,

I was way off there, but it was a lot easier to find with your latest clues :)

Looking at the time, I'll leave it for now, my lunch break is over and I'll be lucky to total three quarters of an hour on the forum today and I'm out tonight!

MReyn24050
8th Mar 2012, 13:11
Here is a clue that should help:-
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c67/sabamel/FRR075.jpg

Lightning Mate
8th Mar 2012, 13:16
Heinkel He 45

MReyn24050
8th Mar 2012, 13:34
That is the bird David. :ok:. You have control. I gave the generous clue because it was dragging on a bit and it was going to be a case of attrition for every Heinkel produced pre WWII.

Lightning Mate
8th Mar 2012, 13:56
Thanks Mel - the clue made it just like SC.

This one has been done before, but I am unable to locate it on the page number from your list. In any case I feel it's a different model.....

http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu82/Lightning_29/laterone.jpg

Kitbag
8th Mar 2012, 18:50
Late Jaguar GR3

OH if confirmed correct

Lightning Mate
8th Mar 2012, 23:38
That will do me. :ok:

The GR1/1A was my office for 1850 hours.

Open House has been requested.

MReyn24050
9th Mar 2012, 17:18
Here is one to be going on with:-
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c67/sabamel/Cockpitquiz428.jpg

Kitbag
9th Mar 2012, 19:11
Really basic, early German?

MReyn24050
9th Mar 2012, 19:14
Early German it is.

SincoTC
11th Mar 2012, 22:46
Evening Mel,

Been a busy day and not had much chance to look for this one!

The cockpit looks offset to the left and is that a gun breech support on the right?

Also, there looks to be a hole through the bulkhead and it's quite light through there with what appears to be part of a round coaming of an opening immediately forward of the cockpit, or is that something just laying there?

MReyn24050
11th Mar 2012, 23:45
I do not think the cockpit is offset, I think that may be an optical illusion. That is the gun breech to the right and the bracket is the support for the gun. I believe the oval hole is a cutout in the bulkhead.

Looking at the Avia quiz photograph I believe the vehicle on the right is a Nash Six Tourer 1927 which helps to support that the aircraft is from the USA.

Noyade
12th Mar 2012, 11:54
Morning Mel.

The Hannover CL.IIIA?

http://img221.imageshack.us/img221/1499/img503ut.jpg (http://img221.imageshack.us/i/img503ut.jpg/)

MReyn24050
12th Mar 2012, 16:37
That is the one Graham :ok:. I see you too have a copy of Jane's all the world's Aircraft 1919. I recently got mine on ebay. It cost me more in postage and packing than for the book itself.
Here is a similar type.
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c67/sabamel/HanoverBiplane0002.jpg

You have control.

Noyade
12th Mar 2012, 20:25
Thanks Mel. That was a browsing fluke of a find. Please feel free to use more cockpit photos from that publication. :)

I recently got mine on ebay. It cost me more in postage and packing than for the book itself.That's disgusting. I paid a small fortune for it in 1977. :(

Here's the next....

http://img35.imageshack.us/img35/3987/img477x.jpg (http://img35.imageshack.us/i/img477x.jpg/)

Noyade
13th Mar 2012, 19:42
...and here's a clue...

http://img840.imageshack.us/img840/5628/img504.jpg (http://img840.imageshack.us/i/img504.jpg/)

skytrain10
13th Mar 2012, 20:14
Morning Graeme...Kellet XR-8 possibly?

If correct it will have to be Open House

Noyade
13th Mar 2012, 20:50
Evening mate.

Korrect Kall on the Kellet, Ken. :ok:

http://img37.imageshack.us/img37/5769/kellettxr81.jpg (http://img37.imageshack.us/i/kellettxr81.jpg/)

Open House.

evansb
13th Mar 2012, 21:46
Here is the next one:

http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/WCP120313.jpg

evansb
14th Mar 2012, 22:54
Clue: Photo is of a prototype, circa 1966.

MReyn24050
14th Mar 2012, 23:00
A Bell Helicopter I believe?

evansb
14th Mar 2012, 23:32
Yes, it is from Bell..

Noyade
15th Mar 2012, 01:23
circa 1966.

The Bell Model 206A mate?

evansb
15th Mar 2012, 02:28
Yes, mate, you are correct.:ok: The ubiquitous Bell 206A Jet Ranger. Your turn.

Noyade
15th Mar 2012, 05:24
Thanks for the clues Bri.

This is a navalised version of a USAAF fighter already on Mel's list....

http://img99.imageshack.us/img99/6181/img481p.jpg (http://img99.imageshack.us/i/img481p.jpg/)

Noyade
15th Mar 2012, 21:22
A couple of clues...

http://img194.imageshack.us/img194/544/508sg.jpg (http://img194.imageshack.us/i/508sg.jpg/)
http://img38.imageshack.us/img38/7624/img508.jpg (http://img38.imageshack.us/i/img508.jpg/)

sycamore
15th Mar 2012, 22:04
NAF XFN-1,aka Seversky P-35 ,modified.....OH if correct

Noyade
15th Mar 2012, 22:19
Tis the one mate. :)

Seversky NF-1 (XFN-1) - naval fighter (http://www.aviastar.org/air/usa/seversky_nf-1.php)

Open House.

evansb
16th Mar 2012, 19:06
Here is the next mystery cockpit:


http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/WCP120316.jpg

sycamore
16th Mar 2012, 19:18
Just `Trolling`..do you wear horns on your helmet,and have red-beards...?

sycamore
17th Mar 2012, 13:59
Must be an S-3 Viking,aka the `Hoover`...OH if correct...

evansb
17th Mar 2012, 15:53
Sorry, not the S-3 Viking. The mystery aircraft's design is a decade older.

sycamore
17th Mar 2012, 17:16
Is it in a Museum in your Country..?

evansb
17th Mar 2012, 18:20
Yes, but the photo was taken when the aircraft was new.

sycamore
17th Mar 2012, 18:40
CL-84/CX-84.Thought the ejection seat covers looked new. Knew both of RAE`S T-Ps that did the Instrument Flying assessments on it....OH...

twochai
17th Mar 2012, 19:32
Bill Longhurst did most of the development flyimg, I believe, and the irrepressible George Morgan was the volunteer 'dope-on-a-rope' who was winched aboard (once, only) in a hover!

evansb
17th Mar 2012, 22:59
Yes, it is the Canadair CL-84 Dynavert, (CAF CX-131). As requested, it is OPEN HOUSE.
http://img850.imageshack.us/img850/1235/canadairdynavert2.jpg