What Cockpit? MK VI

[MReyn24050]

Not from France either.

[skytrain10]

German Mel....Dornier Do.P or Do.23?

[MReyn24050]

Right country Ken, but wrong manufacturer.

[Spit161]

Junkers Ju 288?

cheers,
Jake.

[skytrain10]

Try something a little earlier....DFW R.I?

[MReyn24050]

Ken has the correct era. However this aircraft was not multi-engined.

[skytrain10]

Mmm, how about the Linke-Hoffmann R.II?

[MReyn24050]

Not the Linke-Hoffmann R.II, although that had a single propeller it also had four 252 hp (188 kW) Mercedes D.IVa engines ,arranged in pairs in the central fuselage and drove the propeller through clutches, shafts and gearboxes.
This aircraft not a large aircraft. It was a special type of bomber with a crew of two.

[skytrain10]

Had assumed large in view of its apparent elevation in respect of the building in the photo as well as the width of the cockpit. Would this be a seaplane, a torpedo bomber?

[Noyade]

Fascinating challenge Mel. It looks so big! :)

OK...

German.
Bomber.
Crew or 2.
WW1.
Single engine.

Nose compartment for gunner/navigator so no engine at the front?

special type of bomberIn appearance/layout or purpose?

I was thinking of the L.F.G. Roland G.1....? With one buried engine driving two pusher props, it is kinda special. :)

[MReyn24050]

German.
Bomber.
Crew or 2.
WW1.
Single engine and not a Roland.

That is correct. Ken and Graeme have stated that the aircraft looks big. She was not that big and she was not a seaplane but a flying boat over 100 built.

[aviate1138]

Another day another stab…….

Hansa Brandenburg CC perhaps?

[skytrain10]

Something from Oertz...the W4? Can't find any info on it, and not even sure if it could be described as a bomber, but you never know!

Have to admint can't really find much that satisfies the bomber criteria:ugh:

[MReyn24050]

It is certainly a Hansa Brandenburg aircraft but not the CC nor the W.4. It is in fact the Hansa Brandenburg W.13
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c67/sabamel/HansaBrandenburgW13.jpg
From Wikipedia:-
The Hansa-Brandenburg W.13 was a flying boat bomber developed in Germany in 1917 and used by the Austro-Hungarian Navy during World War I. It was a largely conventional design for the time, with a single-step hull and an engine mounted pusher-fashion on struts in the interplane gap. The pilot and a gunner sat in tandem open cockpits at the bow.

The prototype of the W 13 was German design (Ernst Heinkel) and built, production aircraft were built under licence by the Austrian Government factory Oeffag and the Hungarian Government factory Ufag. Wiki describes it as a bomber in fact it only carried a small tactical bomb load.

The cockpit photograph was taken on board K.242.

Aviate1138 has control.

[aviate1138]

Thanks Mel, a generous 'award' although the W 13 was going to be added but I just didn't have the time……..

Sorry about delay - family weddings - two and a birth has meant it has to be Open House. :rolleyes:

[Father Dick Byrne]

While aviate is savouring the champagne and wetting the baby's head...

May I offer:

http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k518/iCiCiCiCiC/img003edit.jpg

I have a less cropped version if anyone needs it in a little while.

[sycamore]

SF-260...?

[Spit161]

Firefly?

cheers,
Jake.

[Father Dick Byrne]

Yes, a Slingsby Firefly (T67).

Jake, we're in your hands.

[Mr_Grubby]

Happy Birthday !!

Six years ago today I started this thread.

Never thought it would last this long !!

Mr_Grubby.
aka Clint.

:D:D:D

[asw28-866]

Bravo Clint, may it run for many years yet!:)

[Noyade]

Congratulations on a smart thread idea that has lasted 6 years! Well done and happy birthday Mr Grubby! :ok:

[MReyn24050]

Clint
6 today who would have believed it? Well done and many thanks for starting this great thread.
Here is the first cockpit posted.
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c67/sabamel/C46Commando.jpg

[sycamore]

Which is a C-46 Commando..!

[Noyade]

Well it is a birthday party and Spit161 appears to have missed out on an invitation, should we press on?...or not?...

http://img215.imageshack.us/img215/2425/img021h.jpg (http://img215.imageshack.us/i/img021h.jpg/)

[sycamore]

Out of the Caudron, into the firing line...

[Spit161]

Noyade, since I've not been around, and you've posted a cockpit - you have control.

cheers,
Jake.

[Noyade]

Sorry Jake, I got swept up in all the birthday excitement! :) And you were missing for a few days.

Tell you what, a bunch of clues to make up...
British.
Manufacturer became very famous for flying-boats.
Nose and pusher 50 hp Gnomes.
The front Gnome powered two wing-mounted props through chains...

http://img33.imageshack.us/img33/2336/img037ljf.jpg (http://img33.imageshack.us/i/img037ljf.jpg/)

[Spit161]

Became famous for flying boats? Something from the Short Bros?

[SincoTC]

Nice clues Graeme,

Short S.39 Triple-Twin seems to fit the bill ??

OH if correct please as bed beckons (you've guessed it mate, another early start tomorrow), have a good day :ok:

[Noyade]

Short S.39 Triple-Twin seems to fit the bill ??Certainly does mate, that's the one! :ok:

OH if correct pleaseTo be fair, I think control should go back to Jake - Spit161, and he can decide.

[Spit161]

To be fair, I think control should go back to Jake - Spit161, and he can decide. That is awfully kind. However, I shall allow SincoTCs request - open house.

[evansb]

Okay, I'll rejoin the "What Cockpit?" fray, and see if we can sustain this thread to its seventh anniversary. Here is a mystery cockpit:
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/WHOA_DONT_YOU_BE_LOOKIN_HERE_YOU_SCOUNDREL.jpg

[Spit161]

Could be way off, but Boeing Stearman?

[evansb]

Not a Stearman. Notice the crank handle on the starboard side, and a radio panel on the port side.

[Spit161]

Ahh, silly me! Is it the Monomail?

cheers,
Jake.

[evansb]

Correct, Jake. You have control. This version has fixed gear.
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/5735710438_9accbdc770_b1.jpg

[Spit161]

Thanks, Evansb.

Here is one to keep things going:

http://i1116.photobucket.com/albums/k571/Spit161/ff-2.jpg

cheers,
Jake.

[sycamore]

Steen Skybolt ...?

[Spit161]

Nope.

cheers,
Jake.

[India Four Two]

That looks like a PZL compass. Is this a homebuilt from Eastern Europe?

[Spit161]

No, it's not a homebuild and no, it's not from Eastern Europe.

[RegDep]

Promised not to play if I can get these without aviation knowledge, but this has now been up for four days, and I wonder:

"xxxxxxx plans remain available more than 50 years after the first flight and homebuilding building continues".

[skytrain10]

How about a Stolp Starduster?

Edit to say, I should point out however it is available as a homebuild.

Reg, not sure if that's what you were getting at in your last post:confused:

[MReyn24050]

As Ken says the Stolp Starduster SA100.
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c67/sabamel/4164_StardusterFeb09012.jpg

[RegDep]

Skytrain, sorry for a bit unlucky (unwise?) wording in my post. What I meant is that some challenge pictures can be cracked purely by Google means without knowing any search terms nor where to look. I have promised not to play in WC if that is the case with the challenge. This one can be cracked without even knowing that it is an aircraft, so I refrain, except now that it had been up for four days and that I had read in the sources I had found that it is homebuilt.

I may play with the tools (available to everyone without any additional cost) in some other threads, but often wait until I see that the challenge is not cracked by others. This is just me personally, I am not proposing it to be adopted.

PS: the sentence I quoted in my post was from Wikipedia.

[skytrain10]

Thanks Mel. Will wait for Jake to confirm.

Reg, uh, think I understand. My criteria was...a reasonably modern biplane...started with the more popular ones, and after a while came up with the Stolp! Not an expert on search engines, so perhaps there was a quicker way to find it:). In this instance I found it by searching for "stolp cockpit":ok:

[Noyade]

Don't forget Mr Adams!

http://img6.imageshack.us/img6/1954/img053n.jpg (http://img6.imageshack.us/i/img053n.jpg/)

[skytrain10]

Don't forget Mr Adams!What did you say?:)
That of course is where the original SA designation came from:ok:

[Spit161]

Ken, I will confirm. You have control.

Jake.

[skytrain10]

Thanks Jake.

Here's the next one:

http://i551.photobucket.com/albums/ii457/kendyer/3fe39458.jpg

[Spit161]

Skytrain10, we've had it before - it is the Kawasaki XP-1 (Post 4067).

cheers,
Jake.

[skytrain10]

Jake, yes, you're quite correct. Wasn't looking under the XP designation. In that case will have to be Open House

[Spit161]

I shall step up to the podium:

http://i1116.photobucket.com/albums/k571/Spit161/stolp.jpg

cheers,
Jake.

[evansb]

Grumman EA-6B Prowler..

[Spit161]

Correct. You have control.

[evansb]

Thanks Jake. Here is the next mystery cockpit:
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/WCP111003A.jpg

[Spit161]

Learjet?

cheers,
Jake.

[evansb]

Not from the Bombardier Learjet family.

[spook]

Emivest logo on the yokes! Got to be a Sino Swearingen SJ30

[evansb]

spook is spot on:ok: Well done.:D Please post a real good challenge, and one that hasn't been posted before.

Brian

[spook]

Alas...acceptance flight in the morning so will have to call it a night. OPEN HOUSE

[MReyn24050]

Open House. so here is the next one:-
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c67/sabamel/Cockpitquiz396.jpg
Mel

[Noyade]

G'day Mel.

WWII Axis aircraft?

[MReyn24050]

Hi Greame. You are on the right path.

[Noyade]

Brutal stab. German? Henschel Hs-130E...?

[Spit161]

Fw-200 Condor?

[MReyn24050]

This one was not from Germany.

[Spit161]

SM81? Ie, the Italian Tr-motor.

[aviate1138]

Cant Z.1018 perhaps?

I see it has already been posted so - bugger!

Fiat BR20 Cignona maybe?

Doh! Not Italian!!!

Japanese?

[MReyn24050]

This one was not from Italy.

[aviate1138]

Japan maybe?

I'll have a stab with Nakajima Ki-49 Donryu?

[MReyn24050]

Sorry for the delay aviate1138. Right part of the world but not the Nakajima Ki-49 Donryu.

[Noyade]

Japanese transport or bomber?

[MReyn24050]

Greame, Transport.

[RegDep]

How about L3Y "Tina"

[Spit161]

Ummm.. Kokusai Ku-8?

cheers,
Jake.

[MReyn24050]

Neither the KL3Y "Tina" nor the Kokusai Ku-8.

[Fareastdriver]

Showa L2D. Licence built DC3.

[MReyn24050]

Not the Showa L2D. Licence built DC3, sorry.

[Noyade]

G'day Mel.

Ki-56? Or do does your transport have four engines?

[MReyn24050]

Hi Graeme.
Not the Kawasaki Ki-56. You have the correct number of engines though, i.e. 2.

[Noyade]

number of engines though, i.e. 2.

Thanks mate. Bit of a shame, as I found a Pacific Wreck Forum that had underwater shots of the Kawanishi H6K "Tillie" which had similar control columns. I'll keep looking...

[Noyade]

Looking for Japanese absentees in your cockpit list Mel. Last stab for the moment...Tachikawa Ki-54...?

[MReyn24050]

Sorry mate not either the Tachikawa Ki-54 nor the Kawanishi H6K "Tillie".

[Noyade]

One more. :)

Mitsubishi Ki-57...?

Good night mate!

[RegDep]

What do we have left? Ki-105 Otori "Phoenix"?

[MReyn24050]

Graeme has it. :ok:. It is the cockpit of a Mitsubishi Ki-57 "Topsy"
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c67/sabamel/800px-Mitsubishi_Ki-57.jpg
The aircraft above is a MC-20-1.
This initial production the Ki-57-I had the civil and military designations of MC-20-I and Army Type 100 Transport Model 1, respectively. A total of 100 production Ki-57-Is had been built by early 1942, and small numbers of them were transferred for use by the Japanese navy in a transport role, then becoming redesignated L4Ml. A

Your control Graeme.

[Noyade]

Thanks Mel. Blind stabbing and your clues got me there. :)

Open House.

(Psssst,...where's the cockpit photo from?)

[Lightning Mate]

I'm absolutely useless at cockpits, but you lot are not!

So.......

http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu82/Lightning_29/WOT-6.jpg

[sabredog]

Hispano HA-1112-M1L Buchon?

[Lightning Mate]

That will do me nicely.

Back to you. :ok:

[sabredog]

Thank you,LM.
The next challeneg is;
http://i1089.photobucket.com/albums/i352/mosquito633/Quiz382.jpg

[MReyn24050]

Terry
You have been studying the Avia Quiz Challenge aircraft I believe. The Varga Model 2150a Kachina perhaps?
Mel

[sabredog]

Absolutely correct in all respects,Mel. I should have known better!
YHC.

[MReyn24050]

Thanks Terry. Here is a nice one for the afternoon shift:-
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c67/sabamel/Cockpitquiz397.jpg
Mel

[Lightning Mate]

An early Fokker?

I think they had electrical gun synchronisers....

[MReyn24050]

This one is not a Fokker David.

[Spit161]

Albatros D.III?

[MReyn24050]

Spit161 has it. :ok:
The Albatros D.III.
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c67/sabamel/Albad3.jpg.
You have Control.

[Spit161]

Thanks.
Heres one:

http://i1116.photobucket.com/albums/k571/Spit161/Cocpit04.jpg

cheers,
Jake.

[Ridge Runner]

Short Shetland? OH if corrrect

[Spit161]

Nope, not that.

[MReyn24050]

Short Sunderland perhaps?

[Spit161]

Not "perhaps", it is indeed a Sunderland.

You have control.

[MReyn24050]

Thanks Jake. Here is the next:-
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c67/sabamel/Cockpitquiz398.jpg

[Noyade]

British Mel?

[MReyn24050]

No it is not British, Graeme.

[Spit161]

Early German?

[MReyn24050]

It is a German aircraft.

[Noyade]

Torn between a fighter and a trainer. Should be a gun-sight close-by if the former? I'm thinking Luftwaffe from 1933 onwards.

I'll try for a trainer not on your list Mel....the Bucker Bu 131 Jungmann?

[MReyn24050]

Graeme. This aircraft was neither a fighter nor a trainer and not the
Bucker Bu 131 Jungmann.

[evansb]

BFW M.31 ?

[MReyn24050]

Not the BFW M.31,Bri. But this one is of the same period.

[Noyade]

Morning gents.

There appears to be an "Aurora Borealis" in the top of the photo? A lot of metal reflections?

Junkers?

Junkers A50?

[Noyade]

Had a few drinks. None of my business, but why "24050" Mel?

[MReyn24050]

You have it Graeme. :D:ok:. It is the Junkers A.50
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c67/sabamel/junkersa50ci_andreasmueller.jpg

The reflection in the screen are the corrugations.
Had a few drinks. None of my business, but why "24050"

If I told you I would have to shoot you.

You have control.

[Noyade]

If I told you I would have to shoot you.I'm a long way away....you ain't that good a shot. :) But fair enough, I'll leave it alone.

So it was a Junkers? I'm seriously amazed....
Thanks Mel - 24050, but it'll have to be open house.

Cheers.

[evansb]

Here is the next mystery cockpit:


http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/WSH111008.jpg

[sycamore]

A retro-fitted HueyCobra,for fire service,or Customs..? front seat

[evansb]

Not from Bell. It is the front seat, and the only seat.

[Spit161]

If it's what I think it is, it has tandem seating. Correct?

[sycamore]

Updated K-Max..?

[Spit161]

It looks like the new Sikorsky helicopter type thing.. However, that had tandem seating..

cheers,
Jake.

[RegDep]

Could it be that this picture is of an aircraft with tandem seating for two, but the rear seat is loaded with test equipment for the first flight?

[Spit161]

Could it be that this picture is of an aircraft with tandem seating for two, but the rear seat is loaded with test equipment for the first flight?

I can see that is a possibilty, but the OP said that it only had one seat, not tandem seating..

cheers,
Jake.

[evansb]

Sorry gents, I was mistaken. The mystery helicopter does indeed have 2 seats. RegDep's comment on test equipment in the back-seat is correct.

[skytrain10]

Sikorsky S-67 Blackhawk?

[frontlefthamster]

An X2 mock-up?

Whatever it is, there's no excuse for such a shabby design... It looks like human factors nightmare - hardly appropriate to rotary flight, which in my limited experience is already more than bl##dy difficult enough! (I've hung up the Jetranger keys, and declared myself the loser!).

[evansb]

It is not a mock-up. It is the cockpit of the Sikorsky X2 record-breaking 250-knot co-axial helicopter. frontlefthamster has control.

[frontlefthamster]

Really, I think Spit161 (Jake) got there first...

So, OPEN HOUSE (Jake, what have you got to bring to the party?).

And I remain genuinely horrified that Sikorsky can design such a clever helicopter and give it such a badly-thought-out cockpit... What are their TPs saying about it?

[sycamore]

Don`t know how they can claim a World Record as it is not a true helicopter; it is a Compound..!!!!

[Spit161]

Hello all - it's going to have to be an open house I'm afraid - not going to be able to monitor any challenge tonight.
However, I'll chip in at the next OH.

[Tu.114]

Seeing that it is open house - may I?

http://i710.photobucket.com/albums/ww107/Tu114/no-joy-here.jpg

[Ridge Runner]

The original IL-18????

Edit: if it is, OPEN HOUSE

[Tu.114]

Seems like this one was easier than I thought... Ridge Runner, You are of course right; this is the flight deck of the original piston-engined airliner by the name of Il-18 that has nothing to do with the later, well-known turboprop.

http://www.aviastar.org/pictures/russia/il-18-1.jpg

Open house has been called.

[Ridge Runner]

Thanks, mate. It was all the glazing and the russian-looking yoke... plus your forum name! ;)

[evansb]

"Name the Plane" that goes with this mystery cockpit:

http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/THANKSGIVING_TURKEY.jpg

[Ridge Runner]

A flying boat, Brian????

[evansb]

Not a flying boat.

[Spit161]

Fairy Constellation.

cheers,
Jake.

[evansb]

Jake is correct. :ok: The proposed 4-motor airliner Fairey FC.1, Constellation.
Spit161 has control.

[Spit161]

Thanks, mate.
Here is mine:

http://i1116.photobucket.com/albums/k571/Spit161/Cocpitchallenge1.jpg

cheers,
Jake.

[sycamore]

Dewoitine D520....?

[Spit161]

You've hacked my photobucket! ;) It is the D520.
Sycamore has control

cheers,
Jake.

[sycamore]

Sorry to disillusion you Spit,but no way...interesting a/c,thought it was Russ.,or Jap at first...OPEN HOUSE..

[evansb]

Couldn't find a flight deck photo of the mystery aircraft, but I found this unusual interior shot:
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/show-room.jpg

[RegDep]

Would be called nowadays a "Mobile Office" but looks like it would be from before Internet time :confused:.

[sabredog]

Burnelli RB2

[evansb]

Sabredog is correct.:ok: The Burnelli RB2. The benefits of an airfoil fuselage are evident. The automobile is riding athwartship. Your turn.
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/494003108_ea78d1ca6b_o1.jpg

[sabredog]

Thank you, evansb.
Open House

[Noyade]

Couldn't find this on Mel's list...

http://img213.imageshack.us/img213/4759/img075g.jpg (http://img213.imageshack.us/i/img075g.jpg/)

[skytrain10]

Looks like Mark Nichols:ok:

[Noyade]

Yep, good bloke. Know him? :)

[skytrain10]

Yep, good bloke. Know him? Does he fly the EF-111A Raven by any chance?

[Noyade]

You do know him! :ok:

It is. Too easy? Your control mate.

[skytrain10]

You do know him! Yep, he flew down to Tripoli in '86....nice guy. Forgetful though, hence he had his name on his helmet :).

Nothing prepared so Open House.

[Noyade]

Nothing prepared so Open House.

Ha! And you laughed at my OH on SC! :=:)

[skytrain10]

Ha! And you laughed at my OH on SC!
Ah...I see its NOT OH anymore....

[evansb]

It isn't? Yes, it is. Here is a mystery cockpit:
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/WCP111015.jpg

[Noyade]

Mock up mate?

[evansb]

Yes, a pre-production mockup. The aircraft went in to production. just over a dozen were produced.

[Kitbag]

I was surprised to see so few Arado Ar 240s were built

[Spit161]

So was I.. Shame - I always liked that aircraft!

[evansb]

Kitbag is correct. The Arado Ar.240. You have control.

[Kitbag]

TVM, seems like ages since I got one right.

Anyway let's see where this goes

http://i203.photobucket.com/albums/aa154/Kitweston/WCP16OctUpload.jpg

[Spit161]

German? Or possibly Russian?

[Kitbag]

No sauerkraut or borscht for the builders of this one.

[sycamore]

SE 5a.....?

[Kitbag]

No, but the subject aircraft was in service shortly before the SE5a

[Noyade]

Hi Kitbag. It's on Mel's list, but maybe the Bristol Fighter?

http://img94.imageshack.us/img94/216/pitdw.jpg (http://img94.imageshack.us/i/pitdw.jpg/)

[Noyade]

Disregard the above.

Sopwith Camel?

DONALD McLAREN, SOPWITH F1 CAMEL, CLERGET. Big Scale Models. Historical information and modeling tips. (http://www.bigscalemodels.com/planes/sopwith/sopwith.html)

[Kitbag]

The subject aircraft is not on Mel's list

[Kitbag]

Maybe a helpful clue, maybe not
http://i203.photobucket.com/albums/aa154/Kitweston/WCP16Octxtra.jpg






Well actually, it's a hoofing great clue !!

[SincoTC]

Hi Kitbag,

Is it a Sopwith 1½ Strutter ??

Open House please if correct

[Kitbag]

Sadly not, but very, very warm.

[RegDep]

TC, how about doubling your offer…..

[Kitbag]

TC, how about doubling your offer…..

Not sure Tommy built a 3 Strutter :ok:

[RegDep]

A Sopwith Triplane he did…..

http://i1103.photobucket.com/albums/g472/RegDep/Bildschirmfoto2011-10-19um165110.png

And congratulations for your 1,001st post! :ok:

[Kitbag]

'Tis a trifle compared to many others.

Your thread

[RegDep]

Thanks! I'll let TC's Open House prevail.

[Kitbag]

This one isn't listed either:

http://i203.photobucket.com/albums/aa154/Kitweston/WCP19Octupload.jpg

[Spit161]

Su-17?

cheers,
Jake.

[sabredog]

Sukhoi SU-25UTG.

[Kitbag]

Spit, sorry, this baby is a generation later and quite a bit slower.

Sabredog has it

[sabredog]

Thank you,Kitbag.
Open House.

[Kitbag]

Try this

http://i203.photobucket.com/albums/aa154/Kitweston/WCP19Oct2.jpg

[Noyade]

Watching SC and had a book open looking at Constellation versions. Turned a page...

Lockheed Constellation...of sorts?

http://img11.imageshack.us/img11/7668/img107e.jpg (http://img11.imageshack.us/i/img107e.jpg/)

[Kitbag]

Didn't think it would last long!

Your thread

[Noyade]

Thanks Kitbag. Just lucky. :)

Open house.

[norwich]

As its open house, and I havn't been here for years ! may I offer you this, which I can't find in Mel's listing ? unless I am looking in the wrong place ?? If the rules have changed please advise me as we go through the few minutes this challenge will last !!

Keith.

http://i261.photobucket.com/albums/ii58/keithnewsome/cp04.jpg

[Agaricus bisporus]

One of those horrid little ARV things?

[norwich]

Agaricus bisporus. You are correct, I knew it wouldn't last too long, itis a ARV Super 2 ..... your challenge is awaited !!

Keith.

[Agaricus bisporus]

Nothing to hand - open house.

[Lightning Mate]

Gentlemen,

I have the saddest of all news. I have received the following personal e-mail.

It is possible that I am the only one who knew RegDep by his real name Heikki. He loved to call himself "your wingman"

Dear friend of my beloved partner who has unexpectedly passed away today. I was the one who had forwarded you the airplane picture some months ago. So I happened to have your email. I knew that he has enjoyed so much being connected with you, he had such a lot of respect for you and really saw you as his good friend. Wishing you all the best and please keep him in good memory. If you would like to know more, please just contact me. Anja-Christina Albert



Von meinem iPhone gesendet

Anfang der weitergeleiteten E‑Mail:
Von: Anja-Christina Albert <[email protected] ([email protected])>
Datum: 17. Juli 2011 19:25:59 MESZ
An: [email protected] ([email protected])
Betreff: Fwd: Greetings from Gatow from your Wingman
RIP Heikki..................wingman.....................

[Porrohman]

I found this object on Tentsmuir beach below the high water line close to RAF Leuchars recently. Looking at the size and shape, I think perhaps it's a front fuselage section between the cockpit and nosecone of a single seat jet fighter? Or maybe it's not aviation related at all? I have an idea what it might be but before I share my thoughts I would be interested in other opinions.

http://img98.imageshack.us/img98/4617/p1000556us.jpg


http://img851.imageshack.us/img851/995/p1000555o.jpg

[Kitbag]

Looks like a 40 gal oil drum. How big is it?

[aviate1138]

Kitbag has my vote but I will say 45 Gallons! :)

[Porrohman]

The two ends of the object seem to be different sizes which to me indicated a streamlined shape. It appears to be oval in cross section and it doesn't seem to be symmetrical so I thought that ruled out it being an oil drum or a mine. It's hard to say what the total size is as half the object is buried in the sand but the razor shells in the photos should give some idea of scale. The top surface is perhaps 4 feet long and it's about 2 feet across at the widest end. Unfortunately I didn't have a measuring tape with me so these are just guesses. It was just a chance find whilst I was walking along the beach.

[Porrohman]

No more guesses? Well, I thought it might be the front fuselage of a Vampire F3; the part between the cockpit and the nose-cone but with most of the top hatch covers shattered and missing. Then again, maybe it's not aviation related at all.

If it hasn't disappeared back into the shifting sands on Tentsmuir beach you can find it, when the tide is out, about half a mile North East of the end of the runway at Leuchars.

I have nothing else to hand so - open house...

[Super Cecil]

Well, I thought it might be the front fuselage of a Vampire F3; the part between the cockpit and the nose-cone but with most of the top hatch covers shattered and missing
Wasn't the Vampire composite with wood making up the front fuse section?

[Noyade]

Well to me it's a 44 gallon (205 litres) drum? Tilted downwards with the rotting/rusting taking a bevelled approach?...

http://img404.imageshack.us/img404/8835/img127s.jpg (http://img404.imageshack.us/i/img127s.jpg/)

Then again, what the hell would I know about cockpits? I was always in the back seat! :(

http://img824.imageshack.us/img824/1263/img125l.jpg (http://img824.imageshack.us/i/img125l.jpg/)

Speaking of drums...very useful things. My latest creation involves 22 gallons. Fire bucket/barbecue with sliding cast-iron top...

http://img215.imageshack.us/img215/7429/1120024.jpg (http://img215.imageshack.us/i/1120024.jpg/)

[Noyade]

But it is a cockpit thread....well there's a bit of one in this...

http://img35.imageshack.us/img35/2121/img128c.jpg (http://img35.imageshack.us/i/img128c.jpg/)

[skytrain10]

Evening Graeme....IAR 813 maybe?

[Noyade]

Hi Ken.

French...

http://img32.imageshack.us/img32/8162/img130p.jpg (http://img32.imageshack.us/i/img130p.jpg/)

[skytrain10]

Oh, THAT aircraft...seen one, can't remember what it's called....something by Emile Lucas??.....and unfortunately I'm nowhere near home, where I have a photo of it...which I took!

[Noyade]

Lucas??

It is a Lucas mate. The Lucas L7. I'm sure you would have got there if at home. :)

Control is yours if you wish.

[skytrain10]

You are too generous mate....from a magazine or a book?...don't recognise the format.

Nothing prepared and won't have much opportunity to monitor so Open House.

[skytrain10]

I'll take up my own OH:

http://i551.photobucket.com/albums/ii457/kendyer/74e6c633.jpg

[skytrain10]

Very quiet so a clue....American 1970's era.

[SincoTC]

Evening Ken,

My first time on today and only a fleeting visit, looks to have been quiet as Graeme predicted!

Is that a Bakeng Deuce ??


Sorry, but it'll have to be Open House if correct! There appear to be a lot of cockpit variations, but the airframe looks correct.

[skytrain10]

Yes, certainly has been a quiet day.

Is that a Bakeng Deuce ?? It is indeed Trevor:ok:.

SincoTC has declared Open House,

[India Four Two]

Bakeng DeuceThe sunshade over the panel reminds me of a description of 1950s/1960s cars:

Safety by Gillette

[MReyn24050]

Here is the next one:-
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c67/sabamel/Cockpitquiz399.jpg

[Kitbag]

Boeing 787?

[VX275]

I was going to say A400M but the captain's arm badge looks more like a C-17.

[skytrain10]

I was going to say A400M I would say A400M too. Instrument layout looks wrong for a C-17.

[MReyn24050]

It is indeed the A400M. So Ken is it yours or VX275's?

[VX275]

Skytrain can have it, I still have to master the IT skills for posting photos to the site.

[skytrain10]

Thanks VX275, a nice gesture:ok:. If you need any assistance with posting images feel free to send a PM.

Here is the next challenge:

http://i551.photobucket.com/albums/ii457/kendyer/98488179.jpg

[sabredog]

Slingsby T67C Firefly

[skytrain10]

Slingsby T.67 it is sabredog:ok:

You have control

[sabredog]

Thank you,Skytrain10.
Open House

[MReyn24050]

List of challenges updated.
Mel

[SincoTC]

Thanks Mel :ok:

Been OH for too long now!

http://i1138.photobucket.com/albums/n540/SincoSafe/TC_WzztCP011.jpg

[Kitbag]

Too much of a challenge for me, perhaps someone more vigilant can spot it?

[Father Dick Byrne]

Somehow I don't think you need someone more vigilant, but more likely, a vigilante..?

Would your front door swing at a push?

[SincoTC]

Evening Kitbag, surely you wouldn't expect me to post the same subject in two threads?? :eek: I've been rumbled, being too exhausted I guess!!

A North American A5A Vigilante as per you correct ID on the other thread!

Does your answer imply you don't want to claim it and let Father Dick Byrne have control (if he want's it)?

[Kitbag]

Alas I am in no position to post anything worthy so if the Rev has something go ahead, else OH.

[Father Dick Byrne]

Try this...

http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k518/iCiCiCiCiC/Johns.jpg

[Spit161]

Marchetti Riviera?
Open house if correct.

cheers,
Jake.

[Father Dick Byrne]

Yes Jake, it is the SIAI Marchetti (formerly Nardi) Riviera - a pretty little thing! SIAI-Marchetti FN.333 Riviera - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SIAI-Marchetti_FN.333_Riviera)

Jake has requested OPEN HOUSE.

[SincoTC]

As it's an OH I'll push the boat out and keep things moving after a good challenge from FDB and a nice shot from Jake!

Oh and sorry guys, that's not a clue that it's a flying-boat, or anything amphibious for that matter :)!

http://i1138.photobucket.com/albums/n540/SincoSafe/TC_WzztCP012.jpg

Apologies to Evansb for posting this again! Sorry to Mel too, but I'm sure you'll understand ;)

[Noyade]

Very clever Trevor. Thanks mate! :):ok:

De Schelde S.20




(http://nhungdoicanh.********.com/2010/04/de-schelde-s20.html)

[SincoTC]

That's the one mate, a pusher :)

The De Schelde S.20

Noyade has control

[Noyade]

Thanks Trevor. Rarely does playing AQ pay off on these challenges....fluke. :)

Not on Mel's list...

http://img444.imageshack.us/img444/7389/img158f.jpg (http://img444.imageshack.us/i/img158f.jpg/)

[sycamore]

Fokker Eindecker...?

[Kitbag]

Looks like a Sopwith product; Camel?

[Noyade]

Yes mate, the Camel!

Your control Kitbag. :D

[VX275]

It looks like a Sopwith design but I just can't place that windshield.

[Kitbag]

Lets go with this

http://i203.photobucket.com/albums/aa154/Kitweston/wcp5Nov.jpg

[MReyn24050]

Looks like we have gone rotary. Piasecki HUP-2 perhaps.

[Kitbag]

Little gets past you Mel. Yup, it's the HUP 2.

You have control

[MReyn24050]

Thanks kitbag. Here is the next one:-
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c67/sabamel/Cockpitquiz400-1.jpg

[Noyade]

Hi Mel. :)

The guns look German?...

http://img265.imageshack.us/img265/6968/img168z.jpg (http://img265.imageshack.us/i/img168z.jpg/)

I've had a look around at control columns. The Germans seem to have used wooden handle-grips that from a distance look like used condoms...

http://img148.imageshack.us/img148/7862/img167e.jpg (http://img148.imageshack.us/i/img167e.jpg/)

And your handle looks a little phallic...

So, possibly German? Maybe the Fokker D.VII, which is not on your list?

[MReyn24050]

It is German Graeme but not the Fokker D.VII

[asw28-866]

An Albatros variant? I know we have had the DIII and V, so what about the DII?

'866

[MReyn24050]

This one is not an Albatros aircraft.

[asw28-866]

Thank you for the prompt response Mel, this is 'What Cockpit" real time! I have looked very closely at the image and dug out my very old copy of "Fighter". The fuselage strutting looks quite distinctive, in a kind of "M" configuration.

Is the aircraft a Pfalz? Perhaps a D.XII?

'866

[MReyn24050]

Sorry for the delay this time 866. You are correct it is the PFalz D.XII.
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c67/sabamel/watermark.jpg

You have control.