What Cockpit? MK VI

[aviate1138]

Not by any chance a Bessler Steam Powered Travel Air 2000?

[evansb]

Not steam powered, nor American.

[one11]

Something large and British???? - guessing Short L17 Scylla/Syrinx ????

[evansb]

Yes, it is British. Not from Shorts.

[Kitbag]

Supermarine Seal?

[evansb]

Not a Supermarine Seal. Not a seaplane or flying boat. The mystery aircraft served the RAF for only a few years.

[sycamore]

Fairey Hendon ?

[NutherA2]

HP Heyford?

[evansb]

Sycamore is correct.:ok: The Fairey Hendon, first flow with an open-cockpit, later models were enclosed.
You have control.
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/3743981010_1ee92e8423_b1.jpg

[VX275]

For some reason I can't help thinking of the Hendon everytime I see an A10.

[sycamore]

Note, there appears to be a `steam warning` just above the rpm gauges,presumably to let the bombardier it was time for tea,or time to fill the radiators..!
OPEN HOUSE- Tea`s ready..

[one11]

As this thread has been dormant for over a week, perhaps we should consider some innovation, like "Silhouette Challenge" , which no longer deals exclusively in silhouettes.

A while back i proposed a "What Interior" thread which was suppressed on grounds of there being "too many challenge threads" - but would seem a logical extension of scope to include all interior views in addition to cockpits.

Doug

[ozbeowulf]

;)Interesting idea, Doug, and it does seem obvious that the "What Cockpit" concept has dwindled away. I'm kicking myself for not participating more than I did. Sorry 'bout that.

As for "What Interior" as a replacement, I speak only for myself and I confess to being biased (I spent too much time up front with the flying glass, I guess) but personally I can't get interested in what was happening down the back.

Errrr, unless there's another drunken sports team back there. That was often a worry. ;)

Cheers,

Glenn

[MReyn24050]

Doug.
There are still plenty of cockpits out there. However, I agree the thread has slowed down considerably over the recent months. Before going down the "interiors" route I do suggest you put the idea to the moderators before launching it. The problem being I can see we could get many different interiors for the same aircraft type.
Mel

[one11]

Ozbeowulf

The concept would have been to extend the scope rather than replace the cockpit content

Mel

The mods disapproved last time so probably would do so again - Silhouette Challenge seems to have extended scope without the need to re-apply. i agree nobody wants to see loads of different , say, 737 interiors but the last 100 years would probably provide sufficient variety

Lets leave it ....at least until the next prolonged silence.

Cheers Doug

[MReyn24050]

Here is one to keep thing moving:-
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c67/sabamel/Aircraft/Cockpit%20quiz/Cockpitquiz357.jpg

[Noyade]

G'day Mel!

The PZL P.23 Karas. And you probably know how I found it. :ok:

[MReyn24050]

It is indeed the PZL.P.23.:ok: :)
You have control Graeme.

[Noyade]

Thanks Mel. I couldn't see this one on your list...

http://img59.imageshack.us/img59/7681/67324882.jpg (http://img59.imageshack.us/i/67324882.jpg/)

[Noyade]

It's an American monoplane fighter with a broad wing mounted on top of a stocky fuselage. Turns out the wing obscured forward visibility and performance wasn't any better with pilots describing it as a "menace". Only one built.

[one11]

It's an American monoplane fighter with a broad wing mounted on top of a stocky fuselage. Turns out the wing obscured forward visibility and performance wasn't any better with pilots describing it as a "menace". Only one built.

The Boeing XP-9/XP-15 would fit the description............

[Noyade]

Apologies for the late response mate. It is indeed the Boeing XP-9. Your control. :ok:

[one11]

Nothing immediate to hand to post so open house in case someone else can move faster

[one11]

OK, found one now....

http://i637.photobucket.com/albums/uu98/viscount700/prune1703.jpg

[one11]

A clue seems due, or even overdue. This design is in production with at least 40 delivered. However , for at least one example there was a 7 year gap between construction and delivery.

[Cubs2jets]

A Russian design?

C2j

[one11]

Yes, Russian

[evansb]

Tupolev Tu-334 ?

[one11]

Yes to Tupolev but not 334

[Speedpig]

Tupolev Tu214?

Open house if correct as I'm off to work and won't be back for about 14 hours.

[one11]

Actually the earlier Tu204 but the Tu214 will do fine , especially as its been up for a while and Speedbig has declared open house.

[stevef]

OK - I'll fill the gap.
This should last about as long as a pint of Guinness.


http://i147.photobucket.com/albums/r291/stevef_2007/WCMar17.jpg

[sycamore]

German Navy Atlantique ; Open House if so..

[stevef]

Sycamore has it: Breguet Atlantique. :ok:
Open house, then.

[evansb]

Here is the next one:
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/WCP100320.jpg

[sycamore]

With all those up/down plunger thingy`s it must be a Schweizer /Hughes thingy.

[evansb]

It is the cockpit of a U.S. Army Hughes TH-55 Osage. Named after the Osage Nation, a Siouan-language speaking tribe of North American Indians. sycamore has control.

[Pilot Positive]

Is it the tried and tested (and dated too!!) Bell H-13/HTL-4?



PP

[sycamore]

Open House...

[Noyade]

Not on Mel's list...

http://img693.imageshack.us/img693/1161/pitub.jpg (http://img693.imageshack.us/i/pitub.jpg/)

[asw28-866]

Looks a little Globe Swift, but not convinced.

Is the nice lady sending a very early text message on her 'mobile'?

'866'

[Noyade]

Is the nice lady sending a very early text message on her 'mobile'?

Looks that way. I think she's quite pretty. Photo is from around 1952 and not the Globe Swift.

[oldpax]

I think its a Hiller!

[Noyade]

Sorry mate, not a Hiller.

[Cubs2jets]

Navion

C2j

[Noyade]

Navion

Spot on mate! Your control :ok:

[Cubs2jets]

Deep into it here at work. Give me a couple hours and I'll have a challenge up.

C2j

[Cubs2jets]

Its starting to be a bit suprising how difficult it is to find a challenge nowadays!

Here we go...

http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj200/Cubs2jets/WhatcockpitB.jpg?t=1269431384

C2j

[Cubs2jets]

Time for a clue?

Manufacturer still in business. Less than 75 built.

C2j

[evansb]

Boeing F3B ?

[Cubs2jets]

Whew !! I was beginning to worrie that all players had met an early demise! :bored:
Yes, evansb, this is the Boeing F3B. 74 produced and in squadron service with the USN.

http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj200/Cubs2jets/boeing_f3b.jpg?t=1269643893

Over to you, evansb...

C2j

[evansb]

Thanks C2j. Here is the next one:
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/WCP100326.jpg

[BSD]

Is it the Aviation Traders ATL. 90 Accountant?

BSD.

[BSD]

Won't be able to return to this site for a few days. If I've cracked it, then I offer it up to an "open house"

Cheers to you all,

BSD.

[evansb]

Sorry, BSD, it is not the ATL.90 Accountant.

[bingofuel]

Looks like a HS 748 or Andover to me.
(or for the pedantic may be an AVRO 748)

[evansb]

bingofuel is correct.:ok: The cockpit photo is a C-91, military HS.748/Avro 748. You have control.
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/800px-Avro_748_621.jpg

[bingofuel]

Thanks for that, nothing to post so ' open house'

[BSD]

B****x!

Just had a moment or 2 free to check back on this thread. Thought of the 748 first, but felt sure it had been done hence the lateral progression to Freddie's disastrous effort.

Should have remembered that wonderful old adage: if it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, flies like a duck, then it probaby is a ( expletive deleted!) duck.

Off back to the grindstone,

BSD.

[bingofuel]

Tell you what BSD, for coming a close second you can post the next picture puzzle, can't say fairer than that!!

[norwich]

Maybe whilst BSD is searching out a challenge ? would you like to hazard a guess at this ? another of my easy peezie ones ??

Keith.

http://i261.photobucket.com/albums/ii58/keithnewsome/DSC_0088.jpg

[sycamore]

Tobago thingummy ?

[norwich]

sycamore ! Yup it's one of those Tobago thingummy's ! :ok: others may know it as a Socata TB-10 Tobago Thingummy ?
3 minutes is good for me ! (in more ways than one ?)
Over to you !

Keith.

[sycamore]

Sorry,nothing to post,so back to BSD,or OH....

[one11]

I will be offline April 3/5 so will try and ensure there are enough clues to clear this one before then.............but not yet !


http://i637.photobucket.com/albums/uu98/viscount700/prune104.jpg

[evansb]

I'm guessing a Gloster III Racer ?

[one11]

Racer - yes. Gloster - No

[one11]

Racer - yes. Gloster - No


.....but a competitor, so you are spot on with the date

[evansb]

Curtiss R3C ?

[one11]

Thats the one. You have control Evansb.

[evansb]

Thanks. Seems Curtiss Racer cockpit photos are a rare find. Here is the next one:
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/WCP100402.jpg

[Skittles]

That's a Boeing 717 office I reckon.

One of perhaps 3 airliner cockpits which I can actually recognize.

If I'm correct, I won't be able to post one. The floor is open.

[evansb]

Yes, Skittles, it is an Air Tran Boeing 717.

[MReyn24050]

The List of What Cockpit challenges has been updated, upto and including the 4th April 2010.
Mel

[Fris B. Fairing]

Not exactly a cockpit although presumably this instrument panel was once in one. The owner has asked me to identify the aircraft type it came from. The unusual shape suggests that it's not a generic basic six. The only information known to the owner comes from a tag stating that it was last overhauled by Kingsford Smith Aviation at Bankstown (Australia) in 1969. The instruments are of American manufacture. It is not known what instrument once occupied the vacant hole. The panel was originally thought to have been from a sailplane but the ASI suggests otherwise.

http://www.adastron.com/aviation/vault/instrument-panel.jpg

[evansb]

Unless the missing gauge is a variometer, and I doubt it, the wear pattern would suggest the panel is an instructional/calibration panel. It is unusual though, given the vintage instruments.

To resurrect this once superb thread, I hereby post this challenge:
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/126166299_e46a779b5c_o1.jpg

[On-MarkBob]

Boeing 757, but quite an early one so it might even be a freighter by now.

[evansb]

Yes, correct, a Boeing 757.:ok: Your turn.

[On-MarkBob]

I can't do a turn, I don't have any pictures. So, carry on, someone!!

[evansb]

Here is the next one, with plenty of clues:
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/WCP100519.jpg

[twochai]

This is a tough one! Obviously a 'bush' plane, but it's got me stumped.

It must be British (controls terminology, braking by handlever, etc.), could never have been operated on floats (no access door on right hand side)?? Certainly not the Lysander.

What other clues??

[VX275]

I reckon that my Grandfather would have had a small part in its construction through his work in this company's pattern shop at their Newton Heath factory.
The number of British, single engine cabin biplane types is quite small. :E

[one11]

Looks like an Avro Commodore - or has VX275 already got it by implication

[evansb]

VX275 is correct. The AVRO 641 Commodore. Only six built. Your turn.
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/Avro641Commodore1.jpg

[VX275]

Oh heck. I was obviously too cocky, knowing what it was (don't ask me how) but not having a cockpit to offer up. I'll have to declare it open house while I go and look for one (or two).

[Noyade]

New one...

http://img22.imageshack.us/img22/158/tryagainc.jpg (http://img22.imageshack.us/i/tryagainc.jpg/)

[Kitbag]

C'est possible Potez 62?

[Noyade]

Not a Potez, but it is French...

[evansb]

Latecoere 611 ?

[Noyade]

Sorry mate, not a Latecoere.

This machine had a push-pull arrangement for the engines...

[Kitbag]

one of the Farman F220 series?

[larssnowpharter]

How about the very obscure Loire 102. If so, great find! But probably wrong.

[Noyade]

one of the Farman F220 series?That'll do me mate! :ok: The Farman F.224. Your control.

http://img522.imageshack.us/img522/539/farman2427260.jpg (http://img522.imageshack.us/i/farman2427260.jpg/)

[Kitbag]

Wow, wouldn't like to guess how long it is since I go one right!

Anyway, don't think this has appeared before:

http://i203.photobucket.com/albums/aa154/Kitweston/wc019.jpg

[Agaricus bisporus]

Bell 214?

[Kitbag]

Sorry, not one of the ubiquitous Bell family.

[Lightning Mate]

Dolphin?........

[Kitbag]

Sorry LM, wrong continent

[MReyn24050]

Try India. The Indian Army ALH Dhruv perhaps.

[Kitbag]

No perhaps about it Mel. Good skills as always. Will get round to posting a pic of this interesting indigenous design by HAL soon, I think they are really stretching their wings now.

Anyway, looking forward to another fiendish challenge from the master

[MReyn24050]

Thanks Kitbag. I am not too sure about Anyway, looking forward to another fiendish challenge from the master
Here is the next one:-
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c67/sabamel/Aircraft/Cockpit%20quiz/Cockpitquiz358.jpg
Unfortunately the image is not as clear as I would have liked..
Mel

[Noyade]

Mel, I'll try with the Potez 631...?

[MReyn24050]

Graeme. Sorry Not the Potez 631.
Mel

[Kitbag]

Argentinian FMA Pulqui I?

[Noyade]

http://img217.imageshack.us/img217/231/cockpitquiz358.jpg (http://img217.imageshack.us/i/cockpitquiz358.jpg/)

Going with Kitbag's FMA idea....maybe the FMA IAe.30 Namcu ?

[MReyn24050]

Sorry for the delay.
Is this the starboard prop Mel?
It could well be Graeme. The aircraft did have twin engines. It was not from Argentina. It was from the Continent of Europe.

[Kitbag]

There's something Germanic about the opening section, could it be one of the very early Me 110 series?

[MReyn24050]

Kitbag. Not Germanic, this one was a French design.
Mel

[evansb]

Hanriot H-232 ?

[MReyn24050]

You have it Bri. It is indeed the Hanriot H-232 :ok:
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c67/sabamel/Aircraft/Cockpit%20quiz/hanriot_h-232.jpg
You have control.

[evansb]

Thanks Mel. That was an enjoyable challenge. Here is the next mystery cockpit:
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/WCP100529.jpg

[evansb]

Clue time: Yes, that is a radial engine.

[aviate1138]

I'll go for a Rearwin Sportster 7000? Deep breath.....

[evansb]

Sorry, not the Rearwin, but you are very close. Same era, same engine, same configuration and category.

[aviate1138]

Then my next possibility would be a Porterfield 35-70 FLYABOUT? :)

[evansb]

aviate1138 is spot on:ok: It is your turn.

[aviate1138]

Thanks B, I have tried 6 cockpits only to find each one on Mel's list!

I am wimping out and working on earning some pennies, so it is an Open House and thanks once again.

[India Four Two]

What's this?

http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c309/india42/2010-06-01.jpg

[India Four Two]

Time for a clue I think. Look south of the equator.

[Kitbag]

Something from Pacific Aerospace perhaps?

[India Four Two]

Hi Kitbag,

I was beginning to think that no one was interested ;)

Good guess, but out by several thousand miles. This is a kit-built two-seater of indigenous design. The company also supplies kits of a well known US design.

[aviate1138]

I'll have a go with the ALW SPORT 2000 perhaps?

[uuoret]

Hi,

Can anyone tell me what this is from? It's the flared bit at the bottom I don't recognise....

John

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3213/3062223744_2d28674a4a.jpg

[India Four Two]

aviate1138,

That's a nice looking aircraft, but this panel is from a different aircraft, still thousands of miles away. This aircraft has tricycle gear and a strutless high wing.

uuoret,

You'll probably have more luck if you start a new thread with your blind-flying panel picture.

[sycamore]

Don`t know what cockpit, but the` panel` looks like a Chipmunk`s. Holes at top right for air vent ,and starter `ring-pull`.. Flared bits for a-v mountings..

[MReyn24050]

The list of Cockpit Challenges has been updated to and including the 06 June 2010.

[Kitbag]

Paradise P1 from Brazil?

[India Four Two]

kitbag,

Right country, wrong aircraft. Somewhat similar to the P1, but no wing struts - I hope they did their spar stress-calcs correctly.

[Kitbag]

Well me ad Mr Google can't find anything Brazilian that fits:confused:

[India Four Two]

kitbag,

yes, it is certainly very obscure. I stumbled on the picture by accident. It is a Rupert Aeronaves Vimana R12

http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c309/india42/vimana.jpg

Rupert-Aeronaves (http://rupertaircraft.com/aviing.htm)

The designer is Charles Rupert Jones, whose British parents moved to Brazil when he was a child, hence the very un-Brazilian company name.

Open House

[flyingwing]

I don't think it has appeared.
http://i462.photobucket.com/albums/qq346/buzzbird/cpit.jpg?t=1276183444

[Kitbag]

Has the look of a single engine modern jet trainer, but side by sides are pretty rare these days, maybe the NGT of the 1980's?

[flyingwing]

Sorry - not military and rather more recent.

[Fin000]

Looks pretty similar to a sports cruiser except for the throttle...

[flyingwing]

It is a GA aircraft with aerobatic capability.

[flyingwing]

---- and there are probably only 2 on the British register

[VX275]

West country shopping connections?

[flyingwing]

---- sorry that's over my head! ---and one, non British, aerobatic team. That should do it!

[Agaricus bisporus]

OK, so what we know is it is somewhat more recent than '80s, civil, not Trago Mills, 2 in UK, in a foreign aerobatic team, single engined piston with fixed pitch prop(!!) and a really together looking cockpit with nice stitched leather trim.

Its not some sort of Ermintrude or Cap is it? Doesn't look French...

Who on earth uses a fixed prop in an aerobatic team????
Surely its not got some clever single lever engine control?


Hmmm!

[flyingwing]

As with many GA types, several variants were produced, some with uprated engines, some RG, some fixed. One model does indeed have constant speed prop.

[flyingwing]

Aero team may not be active but website comes up. Try NL.

[flyingwing]

Perhaps we need a final clue to prevent the challenge overstaying its welcome.
An anagram of the aeros team name is:

'Needs arsonist'. The 2 word answer shapes up thus:

--- ----------
and a clue is 'colour feelings'.

Find the team, find the aircraft.

It's a race to the finish!

[Fitter2]

Well, that would make it the General Avia F22C, but owing nothing to my recognition, (and 1 extra S in your anagram!)

Assuming I am right, I would feel fraudulent to accept, and have nothing to offer, so open house.

[flyingwing]

Well done Fitter2. It is indeed the General Avia F22A, 'Pinguino', designed and built in Italy and the mount of The Red Sensations. This one is currently on our club fleet and a most enjoyable aircraft to fly. Open house it is.

http://i462.photobucket.com/albums/qq346/buzzbird/JD500037.jpg?t=1276719444

[evansb]

Here is the next mystery cockpit:
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/WCP100618.jpg

[sycamore]

PZL Dromader

[evansb]

Sorry sycamore, not the PZL Dromader.

[twochai]

OK, but is it possibly the PZL P.106 'Kruk', by any chance??

[evansb]

Sorry, twochai, not the PZL Kruk either. Not from Poland.

[Kitbag]

Zlin C37 Cmelak ?

[evansb]

Sorry Kitbag, not a Zlin. Not Czech.

[Kitbag]

Not the weird and wonderful Transavia Airtruk?

[sycamore]

Grumman Ag-Cat ?

[evansb]

Sorry, not the Transavia AirTruk, nor the Grumman Ag-Cat. sycamore is on to something, though..

[sycamore]

Was there ever an export Ag-cat,perhaps a Czecher -cat(GARFIELD) with Pzl engine and instrumentation ?Didn`t work much !!

[Planegill]

It is the Rumanian AG-6, a very AgCat-like biplane. I don't know if they ever made more than the prototype. (Their website indicates they planned a turboprop version, but I suspect it never flew.)

http://i263.photobucket.com/albums/ii154/planegill/AG6.jpg

[evansb]

Planegill is correct:ok: The I.A.R AG-6. Well done:D. Your turn.

[Planegill]

Here is a new challange:

http://i263.photobucket.com/albums/ii154/planegill/TestT.jpg

[aviate1138]

Lovely sunny morning in the Surrey Hills, birds singing, tiny field mouse nicking seeds off the bird table......

I'll start with the Dewoitine 338. Or not..................

[Planegill]

Down here where its one day away from the shortest day of Winter, it is cold, dark and windy.
Sorry it is not from the firm of Dewoitine.

[evansb]

A wild guess, PZL-44 ?

[Planegill]

No, not the PZL-44. Aviate1138 was on the right track as far as Nationality goes.

[one11]

Aviate1138 was on the right track as far as Nationality goes

Then possibly a Farman F.180

[aviate1138]

mmmmm Farman 300 maybe.......

[Planegill]

One11 is correct. It is the Farman F.180.

http://i263.photobucket.com/albums/ii154/planegill/F180.jpg

Over to you.

[one11]

Different era................

http://i637.photobucket.com/albums/uu98/viscount700/prune2406c.jpg

[Cubs2jets]

Falcon 20-5?

C2j

[one11]

Near enough as i am going to be offline tomorrow for about a week.

Falcon , yes but add some zeros. Model 2000

All yours c2j.

[Cubs2jets]

Heavens to Betsy! I've just seen that I was given credit for identifying the wrong plane (right manufacturer, though).

I have nothing at hand to post. Open house.

C2j

[evansb]

Here is the next mystery cockpit:
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/46522.jpg

[sycamore]

Interesting combined RPM,fuel,possibly CHT,and oil temps/pressure gauge; possibly a radial up front,but can`t read the brake pedals- Continental ?Undoubtedly from the USA ?

[Super Cecil]

Callair? Not the AG the cabin version.

[evansb]

Sorry, not the Callair, but yes, it is from the U.S.A. The combined panel instrument features a large tachometer surrounded by smaller oil pressure, oil temp, fuel quantity, and amp gauges.

[Cubs2jets]

The name on the rudder pedals might give a clue. :rolleyes:

C2j

[evansb]

Rudder pedals not visible on new photo. Clue: Taildragger powered by 85-hp Continental.

Note: I won't be able to respond to replys until approx. July 01, 0100 hrs, UTC

[evansb]

Okay, here is the original challenge photo exposing the rudder pedals:
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/WCP100628.jpg

More clues: Originally produced by a different company, but in small numbers. Take-over company produced gliders under license for the USAAF during WW.II. Started production of the mystery aircraft in 1945-46.

[ozbeowulf]

Fleet 80 Canuck, methinks.... but it has been done already. Even so, the rudders pedals fit and that center instrument pod shows up in other Canuck photos. An early modification or a variant, perhaps?

Glenn

[Planegill]

Looks like a Commonwealth or Rearwin Skyranger?

[evansb]

Yes, Planegill, you are correct:ok: Well done:D It is a Commonwealth Skyranger 185. Note the leading edge slot. You have control.
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/DSC000281.jpg

[Planegill]

Thanks Brian. That looks an interesting hangar. Is that a Helio in the background?
Here is another challenge.

http://i263.photobucket.com/albums/ii154/planegill/TestU.jpg

[Super Cecil]

802 militarised jobby

[Planegill]

Yes. All those radios obviously didn't fool anybody. It is the Air Tractor AT802U. Well done, Super Cecil. Your turn to post a photo.

[Super Cecil]

http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p106/Almostoldfart/Panel.jpg

Here is a firebomber version of the 802
http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p106/Almostoldfart/AT6.jpg

[sycamore]

Cessna Ag-Wagon..

[Super Cecil]

Not an Awagon but AG is one of their uses.

[Cubs2jets]

Rudder pedals - again. :rolleyes:

EDIT:
Ooops! When I looked, I scrolled down immediately and guess all the pictures hadn't loaded. All I saw was the firebomber version of the AT-802 with rudder pedals in the picture. Didn't see the prior challenge or the current one. I do now.

C2j

[sycamore]

Is it a Fletcher,or derivative; looking in the mirror appears to show a sliding canopy ?

[Super Cecil]

Goddit Sycamore. FU24-950

[sycamore]

S-C,thanks and OPEN HOUSE.....

[norwich]

As its open house and as I havn't done this for so long ????? Can't find this one in Mels listing ?????

Keith.

http://i847.photobucket.com/albums/ab38/samnewsome/cp02.jpg

[sycamore]

Tipsy Nipper ?

[norwich]

Not the nipper sycamore ??

Keith.

[sycamore]

Well,possibly a Cassutt ?

[norwich]

Sorry sycamore not the cassutt, but you are in the ballpark as far as size and layout goes ??

Keith.

[sycamore]

Last shot-Rollason Beta ?

[norwich]

Another good try sycamore, but sadly no ! Checked with G-INFO, 15 of this model on the UK register ???

Keith (off to work now, back this evening)

[Ridge Runner]

An ARV 1?????

[sycamore]

How about a Fournier RF4 ?

[norwich]

Back with you again ! Well ARV1 sorry no ! and RF4 again sorry but no ! :)

Keith.

[sycamore]

All right- Brit/ Euro ? Biplane/mono ? single/tandem?

[norwich]

OK ! Brit homebuild, plans still available, low wing mono, single seat, fixed taildragger ! PC60 (biggest clue ever ?) :)
Oh, and this one built in 1996 !
Earliest flight of this model I can find is in 1967 !

Keith.

[Ridge Runner]

A Titchy little lthing, ain't it?

[norwich]

RR knows what he's talking about ? :rolleyes:

[sycamore]

Yeah,yeah, having airtested three of them in 1973-5,had aileron flutter, a split fuel tank,and something else(GBABE),you would think I might know; however I was sidetracked by that `boost gauge`,and 6G, in to thinking it was `sumpin else` !
Taylor Titch,nice aircraft to fly,bit outclassed in F1 air-racing.
Privilege goes to R-R methinks ...

[norwich]

Yes ! Yes ! Yes ! For sheer determination sycamore should have the laurels, although RR slipped a large dollop of help in there ? Will leave it to you guys to decide who goes next ????

http://i847.photobucket.com/albums/ab38/samnewsome/DSC_0671.jpg

[sycamore]

From me it`s Open House ,unless R-R has something..

[Ridge Runner]

Here goes.....http://i1001.photobucket.com/albums/af140/peach38336/pprune110710B.jpg

[sycamore]

A much modified Yak-50 ? or something from those parts ?

[evansb]

sycamore is onto something. I'll say a much modified Nanchang CJ-6 ?

[Ridge Runner]

EvansB has it! Your control Brian!!!

[evansb]

Thanks RR. Here is the next one:
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/WCP100710.jpg

[sycamore]

Is it a twin ?

[evansb]

Not a twin engine aircraft.

[asw28-866]

Midget Mustang?

[evansb]

Not a Midget Mustang.

[evansb]

This photo will serve as a clue:
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/WCP100710A.jpg

[sycamore]

Has it got a big `WOOFER` and Tweeter` in the back as well ??
PT-6 or Avia powered ?

[evansb]

Not turbine powered. Designed as a lightweight COIN aircraft.

[ozbeowulf]

Betcha it's the Fletcher FD-25 Defender....an offshoot of the Fletcher FU-24 crop duster.

[evansb]

ozbeowulf is correct:ok: Your turn.

[ozbeowulf]

Here the next mystery cockpit...

http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/gg192/ozbeowulf/wotzit_X.jpg

[sycamore]

Wot, no rudder pedals?

[ozbeowulf]

Funny you should mention that, Sycamore.

I can't spot the rudder pedals, either, but this aircraft definitely had a rudder and there must be some way to make it flap back and forth.:)

Glenn

Edit: To avoid any confusion, this aircraft HAS a rudder, i.e. some are still airworthy, according to my search.

[ozbeowulf]

Okay, time for a clue or two.

The original design is 80 years old, but it is still well suited for pleasure flights on a sunny day in France.

[sycamore]

Some kind of `Mignet` Flying Flea,which may have linked ailerons /rudder ?

[ozbeowulf]

Not linked controls. I just found this shot of the lower cockpit...

http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/gg192/ozbeowulf/wotzit_lcpit.jpg

It's a bit hard to sort out all the ironmongery but those are definitely rudder cables and the site where I found this points out the heel brakes below.

Btw, the earlier reference to France does not mean this aircraft was European.

Glenn

[sycamore]

Must be a parasol wing,maybe Dewoitine?.Looks like the stick is carved from a chair leg ,and the parking brakes are `rubber` bands on the pedals..

[ozbeowulf]

Parasol wing, yes...

Dewoitine, no...

[sycamore]

Does it have a radial engine,Scarab or Kinner ?

[ozbeowulf]

A 145 hp Scarab, actually. In this particular aircraft, that engine was an upgrade from the original installation. Other examples of this bird had various engines, though.

[Cubs2jets]

Fairchild 22

C2j

[ozbeowulf]

Sorry, C2J...

Correct continent, but the wrong manufacturer.

[ozbeowulf]

Time for another clue, methinks...

This aircraft design appeared in the first third of the last century. It was developed from an even earlier design (that was named after a Roman god and an insect) when that company was purchased by the man whose name became part of the generic name of the aircraft in these cockpit pictures.

Glenn

[sycamore]

Nearest I can get is a Davis D-1-W; And pls explain the Roman god bit.....

[ozbeowulf]

Congrats, Sycamore! :D You have control....

It is indeed the Davis D-1-W shown here at Rhinbeck (I think.)

http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/gg192/ozbeowulf/wotzit_Xacrft.jpg

The Roman god and insect clue was probably too obscure, but it refers to the Vulcan Moth, a design from the Vulcan aircraft company, which Davis bought. Apparently, Davis modified the Vulcan Moth (I believe he added the elegant elliptical wing trailing edges, etc) and called it the Davis Monoplane.

From what I could uncover online, although the total production was only sixty aircraft, there were several variants. Eleven of those were D-1-Ks and, later, eight of those D-1-Ks were further modified to become D-1-Ws. I do not know, but I suspect, that the main difference was the engines installed.

Glenn

[sycamore]

Thanks, the pic I have seems to show it somewhat different,with cowled engine. As you say ,nice for pottering about on a sunny day.
Anyway,OPEN HOUSE....

[NazgulAir]

I'll give it a try...
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c85/af224/plane-guesscockpit01.jpg

[sycamore]

East European /Russian ?

[India Four Two]

I think you are right, Sycamore. There's THAT clock again - a slightly different version than the one I have, but very distinctive.

The overall finish looks too nice to be Russian, so I think Eastern Europe, but I haven't found the particular type.

NazgulAir, are you still there? We need some clues. I assume it is not from Mordor. ;)

[KingCooky]

bolkow 109?

[asw28-866]

Meta-Sokol methinks? In the event I've got it right, open house...

[NazgulAir]

Meta-Sokol methinks? In the event I've got it right, open house...

Yes, it's a Meta-Sokol! Congratulations.
The Meta-Sokol has a few interesting peculiarities. It's not a nosewheel aircraft, but it's not exactly a tailwheel aircraft either. The third wheel is a "fuselage wheel".
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c85/af224/plane-MetaSokol-03.jpg

It's got a small engine, but it also has a booster that gives it some extra oomph when you need it.

Open floor...

[ozbeowulf]

Ahhh.... I posted the Meta-Sokol back in June 2008.

I admit I didn't recognise it again until I saw that photo with the odd tail/fuselage wheel.

Still, we should all check the list of previous "What Cockpits" before posting.

Cheers,

Glenn

[NazgulAir]

Still, we should all check the list of previous "What Cockpits" before posting.

Sorry Glenn, I did not know of the existence of those lists until earlier today. Even then checking can be tricky. It was not mentioned as Meta-Sokol but sorted under its type number, so I might have missed it anyway.

I'll try to do better next time.

[ozbeowulf]

No problem...

Cheers,

Glenn

[ozbeowulf]

Well, it's been a long time and I'd hate to see this site stutter to a halt, so have a go at this mystery cockpit.

http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/gg192/ozbeowulf/wotzit25July.jpg

Glenn

[sycamore]

Pietenpol B4A Air Camper ? If so -Open House

[ozbeowulf]

Well done, Sycamore!

http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/gg192/ozbeowulf/piet626_4oc.jpg

Don't you just love the casual disregard for drag and forward vision with that radiator and Model A engine out front?

Open house, the man said.

Who's next?

[sycamore]

That one and the earlier Davis one were the only ones I could find; nice for pottering around,but I think I`d prefer the Davis...

[India Four Two]

How about this?
http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c309/india42/whatcockpit100726.jpg