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MReyn24050
18th Jul 2009, 21:18
You have it Bri the Yak15:ok:
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c67/sabamel/yak15yak-prev.jpg
Sorry for the delay in answering I was solving another quiz.

You have control.
Mel

evansb
18th Jul 2009, 22:36
Thanks Mel. Solving the AviaQuiz perhaps? Here is the next mystery cockpit:
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/WCP090718.png

aviate1138
19th Jul 2009, 05:41
Mmmmm.... I'll try the Aviation Technology Group Javelin

evansb
19th Jul 2009, 15:17
Not the ATG Javelin, but it is a VLJ. The version shown has the optional glass cockpit.

aviate1138
19th Jul 2009, 21:44
How about a Viperjet Mk II perhaps?

evansb
20th Jul 2009, 05:33
Yes, aviate1138, it is indeed the American Viperjet MkII :ok: Your turn.
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/onground1.png

aviate1138
20th Jul 2009, 21:03
Thanks evansb, will be digging something up shortly....... :)

Here we go........

http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn77/aviate1138/Picture3-2.jpg

MReyn24050
22nd Jul 2009, 21:29
Looks like a tri-motor circa 1920s.
Mel

one11
22nd Jul 2009, 22:04
Junkers G.31 - Lufthansa.
Amazingly I had scanned the very same photo waiting for the next opportunity to post..........................Doug

aviate1138
23rd Jul 2009, 05:44
I have a dilemma. Mel posted me a PM [because he is so knowledgeable] with the solution hours before one11 replied to the What Cockpit thread with the correct answer.
So it is up to one 11, well done!, but if he wants Mel to post an as yet unidentified cockpit, so be it.

http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn77/aviate1138/Picture4-6.jpg

G 31 photo taken with a fast shutter speed or demonstrating flight using the port engine only! :rolleyes:

MReyn24050
23rd Jul 2009, 13:38
It is Doug's call. He came up with the answer in the thread so the honour rests with him.
Mel

one11
23rd Jul 2009, 15:36
Thanks Mel - Am i right that the main reason for using PM's to send an identification is so as not be thought to be hogging the thread ?

Anyway here goes with my next which does not seem to have featured before

....Doug



http://i637.photobucket.com/albums/uu98/viscount700/prune2307.jpg

one11
24th Jul 2009, 22:32
24+ hours of silence so maybe a clue is called for - several of this types descendents have already appeared on this thread , none survive in their home country....................Doug

evansb
25th Jul 2009, 02:08
Parnall Hendy Heck ?

one11
25th Jul 2009, 08:09
Not a Hendy Heck but built by Parnall for the designer, whose name it carried.........

MReyn24050
25th Jul 2009, 09:11
Possibly the Hendy 302? Designed by Basil B Henderson, known familiarly as 'Hendy' Henderson. The aircraft was an advanced concept for its time.
Mel

MReyn24050
25th Jul 2009, 09:23
I will change that due to your comment a clue is called for - several of this types descendents have already appeared on this thread , none survive in their home country. as only one Hendy 302 was ever built G-AAVT which became a 302A and was entered in the 1935 Wakefield Cup Race and survived until 1938 when it was finally withdrawn at Gravesend.
I will now suggest the aircraft is a Percival Gull designed by Edgar Percival.
Mel

one11
25th Jul 2009, 15:57
Thats it - Percival Gull Four G-ACGR, splendidly restored for display in the Aviation Museum section of the Royal Army Museum in Brussels after spending almost 40 years in a Belgian barn following write off after a forced landing ended in the River Schelde in 1934. Seen here with a similar vintage Talbot from the nearby Autoworld museum


Over to you, Mel.


http://i637.photobucket.com/albums/uu98/viscount700/prune2307p.jpg

MReyn24050
25th Jul 2009, 18:54
Thanks Doug. Great looking aeroplane. Here is the next one:-
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c67/sabamel/Aircraft/Cockpit%20quiz/Cockpitquiz346a.gif
Mel

MReyn24050
27th Jul 2009, 16:34
No takers, I was expecting this one to go fairly quickly. Time for a clue, this aircraft type carried the markings of opposing sides.

aviate1138
27th Jul 2009, 17:58
I'll go for the Bloch MB 174? Not holding my breath though!

MReyn24050
27th Jul 2009, 18:08
This one was not a French aircraft.
Mel

Noyade
28th Jul 2009, 02:26
The Fokker T-8W?

MReyn24050
28th Jul 2009, 08:37
Graeme has it it is indeed the Fokker T8-W :ok:
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c67/sabamel/FokkerT8Winflight.jpg
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c67/sabamel/FokkerTVIIIW.jpg
Used by both the Allies and the German Forces.
You have control

Noyade
28th Jul 2009, 12:03
You have control Amazing. :)

Unlikely to guess correctly again, so I can't let this opportunity pass.

http://img33.imageshack.us/img33/2527/werf.jpg (http://img33.imageshack.us/i/werf.jpg/)

MReyn24050
28th Jul 2009, 16:30
Possibly the controls of an airship or blimp.

Noyade
29th Jul 2009, 03:35
No, it is a high wing aircraft Mel. The swivel seat is the observers and behind that, the cockpit. Power was provided by a Lycoming 0-290-AZ.

one11
29th Jul 2009, 15:23
Vultee L-1 Vigilant ??????????

evansb
29th Jul 2009, 16:38
Boeing YL-15 Scout ?

Noyade
29th Jul 2009, 22:51
Boeing YL-15 Scout:ok: All yours evansb!


http://img200.imageshack.us/img200/9117/boeing.jpg (http://img200.imageshack.us/i/boeing.jpg/)
http://img24.imageshack.us/img24/5156/boeing2.jpg (http://img24.imageshack.us/i/boeing2.jpg/)

evansb
30th Jul 2009, 01:31
Thanks Noyade! Great find! Here is the next "What Cockpit?"

http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/WCP090730.jpg

evansb
31st Jul 2009, 13:40
Clue time: The mystery aircraft entered serial production. The photo was taken in a museum.

evansb
1st Aug 2009, 14:46
More clues: Multi-purpose aircraft built in the 1950s.

evansb
2nd Aug 2009, 23:14
Clues: Powered by two 9-cyl. radial engines manufactured in the same country as the aircraft.

Ridge Runner
3rd Aug 2009, 05:56
I've really no idea but it is clearly not one that was intended for ruggged work - viz the broken windscreen. The panelling and tube framing also tells me that this is not a robust machine. Maybe wrong! RR ... still thinking...

MReyn24050
3rd Aug 2009, 10:30
Methinks it is the DINFIA IA 35 Huanquero.
Mel

evansb
3rd Aug 2009, 16:37
Mel is correct:ok: Over to you.

http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/IA35.jpg

MReyn24050
3rd Aug 2009, 17:25
Thanks Bri. Here is the next one, which I am sure will cause no problems:-
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c67/sabamel/Aircraft/Cockpit%20quiz/Cockpitquiz347.jpg
Mel

Noyade
5th Aug 2009, 10:49
Siebel Si 204D?

MReyn24050
5th Aug 2009, 12:15
Sorry Noyade, not the Siebel Si 204D.

MReyn24050
5th Aug 2009, 19:34
Time for a clue. This aircraft flew with a big red star on the side.

Noyade
5th Aug 2009, 23:36
big red star

Can't help but think it has a greenhouse nose...Arkhangelskii Ar-2/SB-RK?

MReyn24050
6th Aug 2009, 00:03
Noyade. Not the Arkhangelskii Ar-2/SB-RK I am afraid.
Mel

evansb
7th Aug 2009, 16:21
Yakovlev YAK-2 KABB experimental attack aircraft ?

MReyn24050
7th Aug 2009, 19:42
Bri has it it is the Yakovlev YAK-2 KABB :ok:
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c67/sabamel/Aircraft/yak2kabb-i.jpg
You have control.

evansb
7th Aug 2009, 21:24
Thanks Mel. I'm not sure why the YAK-2 KABB didn't enter production. Here is the next mystery cockpit:
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/WCP090807.jpg

sycamore
9th Aug 2009, 15:55
Possibly a Hornet Moth ?

evansb
9th Aug 2009, 17:07
Sorry sycamore. Not from De Havilland. The aircraft was built on the European continent.

Ridge Runner
9th Aug 2009, 17:18
Making a stab, and trying to interprept the data on the photo, it is an Eastern-bloc type, possibly East German type. That's as much as i think i can see!! RR

evansb
9th Aug 2009, 19:00
Sorry RR, not from a former Soviet-bloc country.

Noyade
10th Aug 2009, 00:19
The PZL-104 Wilga?

evansb
10th Aug 2009, 00:44
Sorry Noyade, not from Poland.

evansb
10th Aug 2009, 15:20
Clue: The aircraft in the photo was built in 1946, and is powered by a British-built engine.

one11
10th Aug 2009, 19:50
1946 ? European ? British Engine ? How about a Danish KZ-III ???

evansb
10th Aug 2009, 21:43
one11 is correct. The SAI KZ.III. You have control.

http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/3629179476_76dfd42cbd.jpg

one11
10th Aug 2009, 21:54
Something a bit more heavyweight.............

http://i637.photobucket.com/albums/uu98/viscount700/prune2807.jpg

Ridge Runner
11th Aug 2009, 06:23
As a wild guess, and based on the green facias, I'll offer up the Tu-134. For those "in the know" I'm sure the suggestion maybe laughable but hey, ho..... RR

one11
11th Aug 2009, 09:05
Sorry RR, not a Tu-134

Boss Raptor
11th Aug 2009, 10:18
Dassault Mercure? ps. if it is correct then 'open house' :)

Ridge Runner
11th Aug 2009, 10:29
I think you're right.

Nice photo of the KZ EvansB!

RR

one11
11th Aug 2009, 11:49
Dassault Mercure from Boss Raptor is correct, so, as declared, "Open House"

one11
12th Aug 2009, 18:42
Where are we ? You are sitting in the cockpit of a ............

http://i637.photobucket.com/albums/uu98/viscount700/prune1208.jpg

Fareastdriver
12th Aug 2009, 18:45
Fokker D8 M3

Ridge Runner
13th Aug 2009, 07:36
A Short Scion????

one11
13th Aug 2009, 07:47
Not a Fokker or Short Scion..........

aviate1138
14th Aug 2009, 07:18
How about an Ogden Osprey?

one11
14th Aug 2009, 08:00
Not an Osprey. This European design was built in a second European country as well as that of its origin, and used on the service shown above.

evansb
14th Aug 2009, 17:54
Savoia-Marchetti SM.73 ?

Ridge Runner
14th Aug 2009, 19:40
How about a Junkers?

one11
14th Aug 2009, 19:47
EvansB has solved the mystery . Shot taken on a SABENA Belgian-built Savoia-Marchetti SM.73 on the Congo service.......over to you.

evansb
15th Aug 2009, 17:30
Thank you. Excellent challenge! Here is the next mystery cockpit:
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/WCP090815.jpg

evansb
17th Aug 2009, 13:10
Clue time: As a change of pace is in order, I offer no clues to my challenge.

con-pilot
17th Aug 2009, 16:16
It looks a lot like the cockpit of a MU-2, but not quite, plus we've had the MU-2. So, a Mitsubishi product per chance?

evansb
17th Aug 2009, 16:25
Good guess con-pilot, but the mystery aircraft was not powered by Garrett turbines. Oops, I guess that is a clue..

twochai
17th Aug 2009, 17:10
Well, methinks you must be talking about the Mitsubishi MU-300 Diamond Jet, pre-Beech days?

evansb
17th Aug 2009, 18:57
Sorry, twochai, not from Mitsubishi, not from Japan.

aviate1138
18th Aug 2009, 07:30
Is this from a South American manufacturer? I ask because I don't have a clue

and I have been digging for some time! No doubt Mel or one of the other Aces will post the

answer, just as I start to type my reply! :)

sycamore
18th Aug 2009, 11:24
Avro 748 ?

twochai
18th Aug 2009, 13:08
Bri is being particularly stingey with clues on this one, which is his right of course!

I keep thinking I should know this cockpit, but then I keep going up blind alleys!

Ridge Runner
18th Aug 2009, 13:57
Not sure if you notice but it has a one-piece screen - no central column. Not many types have that. RR

evansb
18th Aug 2009, 16:08
Yes, aviate1138, it is from a South American manufacturer.

one11
18th Aug 2009, 18:43
Embraer / FAMA 123 Vector ??????

evansb
18th Aug 2009, 19:08
Sorry, not from EMBRAER.

twochai
18th Aug 2009, 19:39
FMA Guarani II??

aviate1138
18th Aug 2009, 19:55
I'll go for the DINFIA I.A.45 Querandí?

evansb
18th Aug 2009, 20:03
Yes, twochai:ok: It is the FMA IA-50 Gaurani II. Gaurani are a native people of central South America. You have control.
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/IA-50.jpg

twochai
19th Aug 2009, 04:02
Good shot Bri - I was not able to find a photo of the Guarani cockpit anywhere.

(I knew I should have recognised that beast - there's a Guarani II on display outside the FAA museum at Buenos Aires' downtown Aeroparque airport, looking a little the worse from exposure)

OK, here's another challenge which will certainly not last long.

http://i278.photobucket.com/albums/kk89/twochai/CNV000911.jpg

sycamore
19th Aug 2009, 16:40
Possibly a Scimitar ?

twochai
19th Aug 2009, 17:32
Not a Supermarine product, Sycamore.

aviate1138
19th Aug 2009, 21:48
Shorts Seamew a possibility?

twochai
19th Aug 2009, 21:56
Good guess, but no.

twochai
20th Aug 2009, 03:33
In an attempt to avoid being called stingey, a clue:

It had only one engine.

sycamore
20th Aug 2009, 09:14
How about the Sea-Hawk ?

Corsairoz
20th Aug 2009, 09:15
Handley Page HP115?

twochai
20th Aug 2009, 12:33
Neither the Seahawk nor the HP115.

oldpax
20th Aug 2009, 12:43
Westland Wyvern?

twochai
20th Aug 2009, 12:59
No, not the Wyvern, but this is getting more interesting.

sycamore
20th Aug 2009, 13:31
An early Kestrel ?

twochai
20th Aug 2009, 14:15
Sorry, Sycamore, not a Kestrel either.

Clue #2: The CTP was known amongst his Canadian friends, at least, as a significant consumer of rye whiskey (otherwise known as 'Pure Panther's P*ss') and Sweet Caporal cigarettes, smoked through a very long cigarette holder....

sycamore
20th Aug 2009, 16:01
Lot of flies about,or are they Midges?

twochai
20th Aug 2009, 16:06
Neither Midges, nor Gnats!

twochai
21st Aug 2009, 02:26
This research aircraft made a significant contribution to modern systems technology development.

aviate1138
21st Aug 2009, 05:22
Bell X-5 maybe?

Noyade
21st Aug 2009, 05:33
Hunting H.126?

Planegill
21st Aug 2009, 08:01
Looks like the Boulton Paul P111?

Corsairoz
21st Aug 2009, 08:45
Fairey Delta 2?

Agaricus bisporus
21st Aug 2009, 11:01
OK, so what do we know?

It has one engine.

Mention of the Wyvern made it "get interesting"

The CTP - according to his Canadian friends (maybe he wasn't Canadian though), drank panther's piss and smoked something foul. Not much Rye or Sweet Caporal available on the Eastern side of the Atlantic back then, I'm thinking?

Still none the wiser for a' that.

MReyn24050
21st Aug 2009, 11:33
I will take a stab and say that it might be the Blackburn B-54

MReyn24050
21st Aug 2009, 11:46
Although I am not sure how this ties up with the CTP. Sqn Ldr W A Waterton Chief Test Pilot for Glosters for a period and was a Canadian. I believe and went back to Canada to Fly the CF-100. He was also involved in test flying the Gloster E.1/44 so perhaps this aircraft is the E.1/44.
Mel

twochai
21st Aug 2009, 12:18
Planegill has it, the Boulton Paul P111!

I must admit the Canadian connection was somewhat tenuous in this context, but the inimitable Ben Gunn, MBE, CTP of Boulton Paul from 1949 to 1966 had good friends in Canada dating back to the BoB. When Ben later became Director of Shoreham Airport and spearheaded its revival, many DHC Twin Otters and Buffalos on delivery flights to the middle/far east routed through Shoreham as a transit stop.

I have it on impeccable authority that the UK's supply of Canadian whiskey and Sweet Cap fags may have been occasionally replenished.

Ben, of course, was better known for the contribution he made to the development of powered flight controls at BP. This led to him involuntarily leaving the later P120 as it disintegrated around him over Salisbury plain, following an aileron flutter event. To hear him retell it kept us young guys enthralled.

Over to you, Planegill.

twochai
23rd Aug 2009, 18:19
As Planegill seems to have gone walkabout, may I suggest: "Open House".

Planegill
23rd Aug 2009, 20:49
Sorry chaps. I didn't get an email to say my guess was correct. Then when I did notice I could not load a new photo for some reason. (It uploaded to photobucket, but just would not display.) I had to find another one.


http://i263.photobucket.com/albums/ii154/planegill/TestO.jpg

one11
24th Aug 2009, 17:42
Spartan Cruiser II

Planegill
25th Aug 2009, 09:36
Yes indeed, trhe Spartan Cruiser. That didn't last long! You have control One11.

one11
25th Aug 2009, 09:53
I had a nice, I thought, obscure one to post but then checked the posting history and found it had been up before ..........so, open house.

Noyade
25th Aug 2009, 11:25
Here's one...

http://img258.imageshack.us/img258/710/aer1282351.jpg (http://img258.imageshack.us/i/aer1282351.jpg/)

Noyade
26th Aug 2009, 01:17
A big clue for a big plane...

This noise problem was so severe, that it prompted Maj. Gen. Mason M. Patrick, then chief of the Army Air Service, after only one trip aboard, to order research into the area of exhaust silencing devices, the general having endured the ear-splitting roar of six Liberty 12-cyl engines for several hours.

larssnowpharter
26th Aug 2009, 03:33
The 'Barling Bomber'; XNBL 1, possibly.

If so, open house.

Noyade
26th Aug 2009, 11:46
If so, open house.

It is the Barling Bomber. So open house.

Agaricus bisporus
26th Aug 2009, 13:07
Nice easy one, so Make and Model please.

http://i213.photobucket.com/albums/cc189/agaricusbisporus/IMGcrop.jpg

aviate1138
26th Aug 2009, 18:21
Edgeley Optica perhaps? Perhaps not - I see it has already been on this forum.

Agaricus bisporus
26th Aug 2009, 18:23
Notanoptica.

dash7fan
27th Aug 2009, 19:03
hb 23 scanliner?

Agaricus bisporus
27th Aug 2009, 20:04
Not that either


I thought this was a cinch!

Clue time;

This one is neither fish nor fowl, but nearly both.

MReyn24050
28th Aug 2009, 23:00
Looks like a Rotary Wing to me.
Mel

sycamore
29th Aug 2009, 09:13
Is it the Air and Space -18A Autogiro?

Agaricus bisporus
29th Aug 2009, 10:00
Not a gyro, tho with a handle like your's I'd have thought you'd be able to get closer.

one11
30th Aug 2009, 13:55
Not a gyro, tho with a handle like your's I'd have thought you'd be able to get closer.

I presume the clue is not so obvious to make it a Bristol 171..............

Agaricus bisporus
30th Aug 2009, 16:03
Well, I admit ti being amazed this has lasted so long, with all the expertise here.

The Bristol connetion is a bit too obvious though! No!

Clue time.

This one is neither fish nor fowl, but nearly both.

It has a number of cousins.

One is a fish. Another a fowl, and a third might, in some parts of NW Europe be called a stumpy.

Or is that now too obvious?

one11
30th Aug 2009, 19:36
Well the Enstrom F-28F was the Falcon ( fowl), the 280FX was the Shark (fish). So could it be the F28-F-P Sentinel or was there another named variant ?

Agaricus bisporus
30th Aug 2009, 20:10
Aha! On the right lines, but not there yet.

It also has an equine cousin, but the one you're searching for is a not an exotic menber of this family. (Well, exotic is relative - no pun intended!)

I'll have to open the picture out a bit if that doesn't help.

In the meantime, this is the dobbin.

http://i213.photobucket.com/albums/cc189/agaricusbisporus/equine.jpg

evansb
31st Aug 2009, 04:00
Hughes 500D ? I think the photo is reversed.

Agaricus bisporus
31st Aug 2009, 12:09
Aah, yes! Mr Evans has finally come out of hiding and pointed out my unintentional error in reversing the slide.

A Hughes 500D it is, as I suspect he knew all along.

You have control, Sir!

evansb
31st Aug 2009, 12:49
Thanks Ab! I enjoy your cryptic clues. Here is the next challenge:
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/WCP090831.jpg

sycamore
31st Aug 2009, 15:45
Canadair Tutor

evansb
31st Aug 2009, 19:39
Sorry, not the Canadair CL-41 Tutor.

sycamore
31st Aug 2009, 23:59
Was it a `strange flying machine`,from over your side ?

evansb
1st Sep 2009, 03:23
Rather conventional aircraft. Entered serial production. Not in my realm.

sycamore
1st Sep 2009, 09:23
Hal Kiran then ?

evansb
1st Sep 2009, 13:05
Yes, sycamore. It is the Hindustan HJT-16 Kiran. You have control.

sycamore
1st Sep 2009, 15:12
Sorry,having lunch and fending off anklesnatchers,Open House. Remnants of the `Raj` in that cockpit,M-B leg restraints and all..
Have you got the other side view ?

Agaricus bisporus
3rd Sep 2009, 11:07
http://i213.photobucket.com/albums/cc189/agaricusbisporus/IMG.jpgHe's back with another one!

http://i213.photobucket.com/albums/cc189/agaricusbisporus/IMG-2.jpg

MReyn24050
3rd Sep 2009, 12:01
Mil Mi-24 Hind perhaps?

Agaricus bisporus
3rd Sep 2009, 19:17
Ooh La! La!

I really thought this would last a tad longer. OK Mel, all yours, well done!

(Helitech, Redhill, c.1989) This exhibit scared the crap out of a lot of military guys who'd only known this monster from recognition lectures. It really was made of half-inch boiler-plate, was armed to the teeth, and was very, very impressive in the air too.

http://i213.photobucket.com/albums/cc189/agaricusbisporus/IMG_0003.jpg

Cameras weren't allowed so close to the Hokum though...but heck, what kind of blindspots must there be behind those huge canopy frames? Still, if the Hind's just a big nasty dangerous bruiser, this thing's a screaming psychopath!

Just as an attack helo should be.

http://i213.photobucket.com/albums/cc189/agaricusbisporus/IMG_0002.jpg

MReyn24050
3rd Sep 2009, 19:35
Thanks Ab. Here is the next one:-
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c67/sabamel/Aircraft/Cockpit%20quiz/Cockpitquiz348.jpg
Mel

MReyn24050
5th Sep 2009, 20:46
No takers? This aircraft first flew in 1973.
Mel

sycamore
5th Sep 2009, 20:59
Possibly ,judging by the clock ,Russian ?

MReyn24050
5th Sep 2009, 21:03
Not Russian but certainly from Eastern Europe.

S'land
5th Sep 2009, 22:57
Could it be the Romanian I.A.R 823?

MReyn24050
5th Sep 2009, 23:12
It certainly is the IAR 823.:ok:
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c67/sabamel/IAR823Aircraft.jpg
You have control.

S'land
6th Sep 2009, 11:21
Thanks Mel, as usual an interesting challenge.

Here is the next one, although it is a much older flying machine.
http://i347.photobucket.com/albums/p456/Sundland/WCP8.jpg?t=1252235613

S'land
6th Sep 2009, 21:23
No takers, except by PM?

This aeroplane came in two versions.

S'land
7th Sep 2009, 21:53
Still no takers?

The cockpit in the photograph is the civilian prototype. The aircraft was a departure from previous construction by this manufacturer.

evansb
8th Sep 2009, 02:57
Junkers Ju-86 ?

S'land
8th Sep 2009, 16:18
Well done evansb. It is indeed the Junkers JU 86. To be precise it is the cockpit of prototype airliner D-AREV. The divergence in design/manufacture was that this aeroplane was smooth skinned, it did not have the usual corrugated skin.

You have the helm sir.

evansb
8th Sep 2009, 16:41
Thanks S'land. Here is the next challenge:
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/44fa87d7a6568ba8_landing.jpg

evansb
10th Sep 2009, 20:14
Clue: It is a co-axial design.

sycamore
10th Sep 2009, 20:15
aeroplane,gyro,or helo ?

MReyn24050
10th Sep 2009, 20:40
Pitcairn X0-81?

evansb
10th Sep 2009, 21:25
Sorry, not a Pitcairn, nor a gyrocopter.

evansb
11th Sep 2009, 20:16
More clues: Three were built. Powered by a Lycoming O-290 engine.

India Four Two
12th Sep 2009, 07:57
The Hiller Commuter?

http://blog.modernmechanix.com/mags/MechanixIllustrated/7-1947/commuter_chopper.jpg

evansb
12th Sep 2009, 10:01
Simon! You are alive! I will cancel the rumors of your demise. Well done:ok:. It is officially a United Helicopters (X)UH-4 "Commuter". An all-metal co-axial design, it was a tricycle gear beauty that appealed to the post-war dream of a flying machine in every garage! Engineer Stanley Hiller Jr. went on to form his own company. You have control.
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/ef76241944b00483_landing.jpg

India Four Two
13th Sep 2009, 03:16
Thanks, bri. Yes, still alive and well in SGN, but I have been concentrating on a new job, which has "cut into" my ppruning time. I had been absent so long, I was getting reminders from PPRuNe to make a post!

What a lovely aircraft - I had never heard of it before. I found a nameless picture taken at the San Carlos Helicopter Show, well before I stumbled on the Popular Mechanix article. Do you know if there is one at the Hughes Museum? Their website is useless.

Here is a cockpit that I have fond memories of:

http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c309/india42/WhatCockpit-10-9.jpg

ozbeowulf
13th Sep 2009, 06:56
Looks like a Piper Colt to me....

Glenn

S'land
13th Sep 2009, 11:45
Aviat Husky?

India Four Two
13th Sep 2009, 12:46
Looks like a Piper Colt to me....A PA-22-108. The first aircraft I ever soloed. I still remember flying downwind at White Waltham ("aim for Windsor Castle"), looking at the empty seat beside me in amazement.

Well done, Glenn. Over to you.

PS Thanks to Alex for permission to use his photo: Photos: Piper PA-22/20-108 Colt Aircraft Pictures | Airliners.net (http://is.gd/3e666)

ozbeowulf
13th Sep 2009, 13:15
First solo flights are definitely special. After all, you can only do it once!

Here's the next challenge. An interesting aircraft, with a unusual design feature.

I'm off to bed now, but I'll be back on deck in seven hours or so.

Glenn

file:///C:/DOCUME%7E1/PK/LOCALS%7E1/Temp/moz-screenshot.pnghttp://i248.photobucket.com/albums/gg192/ozbeowulf/wotzit23.jpg

con-pilot
13th Sep 2009, 19:13
Globe Swift???

No, guess not, we have already had the Swift.

Never mind.

ozbeowulf
13th Sep 2009, 21:14
Sorry, not a Swift.

India Four Two
14th Sep 2009, 15:32
Based on the compass, how about Polish or Czech?

[Thinks for a while]

In fact, specifically the L-40 Meta Sokol. The unique design feature would be the "inverted tricyle gear". I wonder what the landing characteristics were like?

g21agoose
14th Sep 2009, 15:47
L-40 MetaSokol?

g21agoose
14th Sep 2009, 16:39
[Thinks for a while]

In fact, specifically the L-40 Meta Sokol.
Yeah- "thinks for a while", sees answer posted and edits own post with answer- classy!:yuk:

Ridge Runner
14th Sep 2009, 17:30
If he had amended it there would be a note on the post to say so! It looks to me like he got it fair and square! RR

Ridge Runner
14th Sep 2009, 17:38
OK - my lesson for today! I'm still sceptical though! RR

India Four Two
14th Sep 2009, 17:45
RR, I did in fact edit my post but for some reason the edit time does not show up. However, it was before g21agoose's post because I refreshed the page before editing, just to make sure no one had beaten me to it.

After Glenn has woken up and confirmed the answer, since I don't have a suitable picture to post, I'll hand over control to our amphibian friend.

Ridge Runner
14th Sep 2009, 17:53
OK, I42. I was just trying to be fair for you. It appeared to be unjust to make such comments. BRgds, RR

g21agoose
14th Sep 2009, 17:56
Unless there is aproblem with PPRUNE servers (and if there is I apologise) or you edited and I posted at the same time, I assure you that your post contained no edit when I posted and did not appear until sometime afterwards.

It REALLY doesn't matter and if you want the truth I researched based upon your answer so.....................................but I still know that your 'edited' answer was not there when I posted.

India Four Two
14th Sep 2009, 18:05
A new post to avoid any confusion.

it's just rather pathetic

You are entitled to your opinion but if you have been following this thread for a reasonable amount of time, you might have seen that I've had enough successes ( although not in bri's or mel's league), that I don't feel the need to steal someone else's answer, for five minutes of AH&N fame.

As I said, the floor is yours, once Glen confirms the answer.

Simon

g21agoose
14th Sep 2009, 18:15
You are entitled to your opinion but if you have been following this thread for a reasonable amount of time, you might have seen that I've had enough successes ( although not in bri's or mel's league), that I don't feel the need to steal someone else's answer, for five minutes of AH&N fame.

As I said, the floor is yours, once Glen confirms the answer.

SimonSimon- I have followed this thread and you are obviously an experienced and knowledgeable person. I am not want to accuse without cause and my post WAS done before your edit appeared.

However, I have been wrong before and will be wrong again (likely before the day is out) and if you tell me that's the case I believe you and apologise for my doubts and harsh response.

From one pilot to another: I am sorry.

ozbeowulf
14th Sep 2009, 21:20
Well, that will teach me to sleep while I have a challenge running...

The aircraft is, indeed, the L-40 Meta Sokol, complete with that unusual landing gear configuration. If anyone has flown one, I'd love to hear about the recommended landing technique.

http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/gg192/ozbeowulf/41581_1194878167.jpg (http://s248.photobucket.com/albums/gg192/ozbeowulf/?action=view&current=41581_1194878167.jpg)

If I follow the busy overnight (to me) thread correctly, Simon has deferred to g21agoose.

You have control.

Glenn

TheTruthWillSetUFree
14th Sep 2009, 21:32
Respectfully, I pass........................;

ozbeowulf
16th Sep 2009, 00:04
Just in case my confirmation of the Meta Sokol was unclear, g21agoose now has control.

Please post when ready....

Glenn

ozbeowulf
16th Sep 2009, 20:50
This is getting a bit ridiculous.

Assuming that g21agoose has morphed into TheTruthWillSetUFree, who has declined, I'll make an arbitrary decision to keep the thread flowing.

It's OPEN HOUSE. Somebody post something.

(Wanders off muttering to himself.....)

Glenn

Noyade
16th Sep 2009, 22:29
It's OPEN HOUSE. Somebody post something.Here's something...

http://img525.imageshack.us/img525/8234/yes9803461.jpg (http://img525.imageshack.us/i/yes9803461.jpg/)

sycamore
17th Sep 2009, 21:06
Looks All-American,possibly Navy,piston, trainer,possibly trike,possibly T-28?

Noyade
17th Sep 2009, 21:24
Looks All-American,possibly Navy,piston, G'day sycamore. "Yes" to the above. There was also a trainer version but the two-place shown above has no flight controls in the back seat as his job was observer/radar operator. Space was limited so the radar pod was carried on one of the bomb racks.

Although prop driven the original plan was for a composite powered machine, supplemented with a Westinghouse jet engine.

First flight was in 1947 and a large one-piece canopy covered both cockpits.

S'land
17th Sep 2009, 23:06
Curtiss XBTC / XBT2C?

Noyade
17th Sep 2009, 23:25
Sorry Richard, but not a Curtiss product, however the company responsible did build floats for Curtiss, in fact they were the leading manufacturer of all-metal pontoons.

sycamore
17th Sep 2009, 23:26
Awkay,ya colloquial fella, I guess ya meen it`s the Daglas BTD -1 Destroya, or the XBTD-2 wiv ah jit engin( all said with the well-known colonies accent,purely for effect,please wear a trilby with corks hanging orff to complete the effect,whilst slugging on a tin of that well-known kangaroo-£%&s,F*&^%s)- before breakfast.....hic !! If it is =Open house ,if not,just going outside to throw up......Syc,syc...(all in jest !!)

Noyade
17th Sep 2009, 23:37
,if not,just going outside to throw up......Syc,syc...

Be careful, it must be dark outside! Don't trip! :)

Noyade
17th Sep 2009, 23:59
Although prop driven the original plan was for a composite powered machine, supplemented with a Westinghouse jet engine. Hmm...maybe us colonials do have a language problem? Has this line sent you on a fruitless search? They did have a whimsical plan to stick a jet engine in this floatplane but they didn't. Not enough room.

Gotta go. Have to chuck another wombat on barby.

g21agoose
18th Sep 2009, 17:08
Assuming that g21agoose has morphed into TheTruthWillSetUFree, who has declined, I'll make an arbitrary decision to keep the thread flowing.

It's OPEN HOUSE. Somebody post something.

(Wanders off muttering to himself.....)

GlennApologies- I deferred my 'win.'

Sorry, I had to go to work in the Collins equipped...................

Noyade
18th Sep 2009, 20:46
This has ground to halt and needs to end. It was/is the EDO XOSE-2. Open house.

http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/473/33565341.jpg (http://img228.imageshack.us/i/33565341.jpg/)
http://img2.imageshack.us/img2/2826/edo1.jpg (http://img2.imageshack.us/i/edo1.jpg/)

Agaricus bisporus
18th Sep 2009, 21:28
Oh yes, back agan! An easy one this time - surely?

http://i213.photobucket.com/albums/cc189/agaricusbisporus/cockpit.jpg

GROSSER
20th Sep 2009, 06:51
AS355F-1 - Single Pilot IFR

Agaricus bisporus
23rd Sep 2009, 18:45
Sorry guys - don't know what happened to my reply of 3 days ago.

Of course it is - chapter and verse.

Over.

Mr_Grubby
28th Sep 2009, 08:15
Four years ago today, I started this thread.

Never thought it would still be going this long !
Well done guys.

Clint.:ok:

BSD
28th Sep 2009, 09:18
Mr. Grubby,

Always an amusing thread. Great fun to try and guess some of the types.

As GROSSER hasn't celebrated his victory, I hope he won't mind if I post this to keep things going.

When the challenge is correctly guessed, I'l then defer to GROSSER so that he can put up a challenge.

This one (remarkably after 4 years) doesn't appear to have been on before.

I'm sure it won't last too long though.

BSD.

http://i116.photobucket.com/albums/o28/bwanamkubwa/BKK001.jpg

sycamore
28th Sep 2009, 12:13
Something Russian;An-12 ?

Ridge Runner
28th Sep 2009, 12:27
AN-28????????

BSD
28th Sep 2009, 12:53
It was indeed Russian.

BSD.

bingofuel
29th Sep 2009, 20:48
Ilyushin Il-62M (hope I spelt it correctly)

BSD
29th Sep 2009, 21:14
Absolutely right! An IL-62M it is.

Got on board the aeroplane in Bangkok (many years ago) when it parked beside us. The aeroplane on the stand on the other side was a green and gold B727 that belonged to Malcolm Forbes emblazoned with the name"Capitalist tool"

Nice contrast!

BSD.

bingofuel
30th Sep 2009, 08:31
Thanks, can I offer 'open house' for the next one.

evansb
30th Sep 2009, 22:33
Here is the next cockpit challenge:
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/WCP090930.jpg

MReyn24050
30th Sep 2009, 23:31
I have up dated the list. See What Cockpit and What Aerodrome latest Lists Sticky above.
Mel

sycamore
1st Oct 2009, 12:28
I do like the `champagne` coolers for the pilots,the bags of sweets for clearing inquisitive kids,and the organ players knobs for in -flight entertainment; on second thoughts ,might it be an airship ?

evansb
2nd Oct 2009, 15:51
If it is indeed champagne, the vintage was probably a very good year.
The cockpit was later modified with an all-weather enclosure. The craft was capable of water operations.

evansb
3rd Oct 2009, 16:29
More clues: This particular craft was designated 4th, and last of the series. Built in the early 1920s, it flew until 1940.

India Four Two
4th Oct 2009, 13:19
bri,

Is this a blimp or semi-rigid with ballonets? American?

evansb
4th Oct 2009, 16:20
Yes, it is an American blimp.

Agaricus bisporus
4th Oct 2009, 17:46
Aah, Mr Evans, the clues do it again, though the Champagne one puzzles me. Probably the greatest Champagne vintage ever was 1928, but this thing was retired/cancelled in 1924, depending on which ship it was.?

Clearly a twin Engined airship from the photo, using, as I42 said, ballonets.

4 variants, amphib, weatherproofed cabin, struck off in 1940 makes this one of the USN's Goodyear built J Class Blimp.

The example shown is either J1 or J2 - identical ships. J3 used a different car, and J4 had J2's modified enclosed car.

J class blimp - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J-Class_Blimp)

N'est-ce-pas?

Agaricus bisporus
4th Oct 2009, 18:25
http://www.airshipventures.com/img/historic/blimps/thumbs/thumb002photo-10.jpg


http://www.airshipventures.com/img/historic/blimps/thumbs/thumb009photo-8.jpg

Here's our friend the J4 with the enclosed cabin and clearly boat-bottomed car.

And further to my above, the pic that evansb posted resides on this same website too, intriguingly labelled the J4 car and dated 1933, (J4 withdrawn 1940). According to my understanding of the info available Wiki says the J4 should have the enclosed modified ex J2 car (J2 canx 1924 upon failure of J1), or maybe J4 flew for a while with the unmodified car; either way, a fascinating insight into a llittle known aspect of aviation history.

For info, the fellow on the right was the "Rudderman" while his colleague on the left was the "Elevatorman" and evidently had the throttles too. I wonder who was in charge, and what the Champagne bottles did? What price MCC courses back then? Sounds like desperately hard work to me, and no wonder the thing was a bitch to control with a ballonet pump the size of a washing machine motor - imagine the control lag, and the pickle - PIOs - you'd get into by mistiming ditching those bags of lead shot if it got away from you! ...And what did that gigantic trim(?) wheel between the seats do? Haul a half ton of pig-iron to and fro to balance the brute? And to think I got within a gnat's gnadgers of doing an Airship conversion once. Yikes!!!

Nice one, Mr E!

Agaricus bisporus
4th Oct 2009, 19:08
http://i213.photobucket.com/albums/cc189/agaricusbisporus/nextcockpit.jpg

Many aircraft have been dubbed "Queen of the Skies" but this one richly deserves it.

Curiously, it was from this type that I came so close to discovering all about ballast and ballonets, but that is not strictly relevant here.

aviate1138
5th Oct 2009, 05:21
The poor chap seems to have a bad case of Rhododendron fungal "Bud Blast"! Or Pycnostysanus azalae.

Is it one of those Caspian Sea Monsters? WIGE

BSD
5th Oct 2009, 07:41
Aggers,

Neat photo.

For the craft: an S-61 would be my guess.

However, haven't a clue who the bearded wonder is, but with a bottle of bubbly at stake it deserves a good deal of thought.

Cockpit appears to have Decca. A shirt-sleeve operation, with an airline style uniform, and blue shirts. Hmmmmm. The BCAL LHR-LGW link of a few years ago perhaps?

Cheers! (possibly in anticipation!)

BSD.

Agaricus bisporus
5th Oct 2009, 10:40
BSD, I didn't think this would last long, though I removed the "other" offer shortly after posting as I didn't think it relevant to this thread.

OK, S61, yes; shirtsleeve, no way though your logic - and the company - is absolutely spot-on. Well done indeed!

A British Caledonian Helis crew on an IR training sortie ex Aberdeen, just for once not in a rubber goon suit.

All yours, pal!

ps, anyone able to tell me how to pixellate a photo without using a fungal airbrush?

BSD
5th Oct 2009, 12:06
Thilled to have worked it out, but have to offer it to an "open house" as I've just checked the photo I had lined up to find it has been done.

Shame about the earlier (withdrawn) offer though!

BSD.

India Four Two
5th Oct 2009, 13:59
And what did that gigantic trim(?) wheel between the seats do?

Perhaps if you had done the airship rating you would have discovered that the "trim" wheel was the pitch control :-)

So obviously the Elevatorman, with all the important controls - pitch, power, ballonet pump and ballast, was the Captain - in the left seat as is proper. And the Rudderman would have been an enlisted man, to whom the Captain could give appropriately nautical orders: "Midships", "Steady as she goes", "Make your heading Northwest by North", etc.

I would still like to know about the Champagne bottles. bri?

evansb
5th Oct 2009, 15:42
Simon, regarding the Goodyear U.S. Navy J-4 airship cockpit. As the U.S. Navy was a "dry" navy, I'll guess the bottles contained oil for the engines located immediately behind the pilots.

Agaricus bisporus
5th Oct 2009, 18:37
I somehow doubt that; radials use gallons, not the odd pint of oil. I looked good and hard at those "bottles" and felt they were probably controls of some sort, the kind of beefy things you'd need to move flapper valves to direct air to one ballonet or the other perhaps?

We need an airship expert's help, I'm intrigued.

"Carry on, Number One!" (And with sincere sympathy to our deprived Colonial cousins, me, I'm off to the Wardroom for a quick sharperner.)

evansb
5th Oct 2009, 19:56
Yes, I agree. We need an airship expert. The engines of the J-4 were small, however. Only 130-hp each.

India Four Two
8th Oct 2009, 10:14
Since no airship expert has shown up, I would like to remind everyone that BSD declared Open House.

Agaricus bisporus
8th Oct 2009, 10:30
Hard to believe this one isn't on the list...

Just to keep things going.

http://i213.photobucket.com/albums/cc189/agaricusbisporus/cockpits/IMG_0002.jpg

bingofuel
8th Oct 2009, 11:56
Looks like a BAe 146 to me.

Agaricus bisporus
8th Oct 2009, 13:15
Bingo indeed! 146 200 it is.

All yours then...

bingofuel
8th Oct 2009, 16:35
I will offer open house, thanks

evansb
9th Oct 2009, 21:13
Here is the next cockpit challenge:
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/WCP091009.jpg

sycamore
10th Oct 2009, 19:13
T-2 Buckeye ?

evansb
10th Oct 2009, 19:32
Yes, it is a North American T-2C Buckeye. sycamore has control.

sycamore
11th Oct 2009, 14:05
Sorry guys,late night watching the `Bathurst` V8s...Open house...Syc

Agaricus bisporus
13th Oct 2009, 23:08
Nearly as much fun as a Bathurst V8, this one, and another I can't believe hasn't been done before.

Name ain't enough though, I need the rest as well...


My favourite way of going shopping for Champagne!
http://i213.photobucket.com/albums/cc189/agaricusbisporus/cockpits/IMG_0006.jpg

sycamore
14th Oct 2009, 09:43
The Ferrari of Flight,or French Chicken leg,aka Gazelle....;and yes it will beat a V8 down Conrod Straight....been to 330kph in testing..

Agaricus bisporus
14th Oct 2009, 14:47
-----Over.

sycamore
14th Oct 2009, 15:39
Open House...

A-B,I notice a certain amount of 3R vibration,which would be unusual in a Gaz at that power,so I presume it is your camera hand after a `tasting` of the vintage champers,or in anticipation of...?

Agaricus bisporus
14th Oct 2009, 16:04
Probably the result of 16 bottles of bubbly cooling in the bath and 6doz oysters on ice in the bidet, and that was before supper and a night on the town - 9 of us! I'd love to have seen the room cleaner's face the next morning.

If there was a 3R I cetainly didn't notice it.

sycamore
14th Oct 2009, 19:12
A-B,I hope 9 of you were not in or on that poor Gaz !

evansb
16th Oct 2009, 20:52
Who has control? Or is it open house?

Fitter2
16th Oct 2009, 21:25
Declared Open House by Sycamore in post 3737.

I have nothing to hand either - any takers?

India Four Two
17th Oct 2009, 09:26
How about this? Extra marks for where and when.

http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c309/india42/IMG_3522a.jpg

sycamore
17th Oct 2009, 14:28
A FedEx pilot checking the mail is secure `somewhere in USA `?

Kitbag
17th Oct 2009, 15:50
Wright Flier, Kittyhawk, early 1905?

one11
17th Oct 2009, 15:55
Looks like a Wright Flyer. It would be topical if it was at either the Blackpool or Doncaster 1909 Flying Meetings, both 100 years ago this week.

India Four Two
17th Oct 2009, 16:47
one11 and Kitbag,

Yes, it's a Wright but which model?

Sycamore,
Not FedEx but closer than you might have thought - this is probably the first ad-hoc air freight charter ever.

Not Kittyhawk and the pilot is not Wilbur or Orville.

evansb
17th Oct 2009, 17:55
Wright Model B? Farnum Fish delivering 50 lbs of silk from Chicago's Cicero Flying Field to Milwaukee on May 25th, 1912?

India Four Two
18th Oct 2009, 04:46
bri,

yes, it's a Wright B Flyer:

http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c309/india42/WrightB.jpg

You are right about the silk, but I'm pretty sure the pilot is Phil Parmelee. He is doing his pre-takeoff checks - note the props are rotating. The caption on my photo reads (in part):

Morehouse-Martens, a department store in Columbus, Ohio, hired pilot Phil Parmalee to deliver rolls of silk from Dayton in the passenger seat of his Wright Model B -- then promptly sold the fabric as souvenirs and made a handsome profit.This is supported by a photo of Phil (Philip Orin Parmelee (http://www.earlyaviators.com/eparmale.htm)), wearing the same distinctive jacket.

I had been planning to use this photo below (cropped to remove the disctinctively grim-faced Wilbur) taken at Hunaudieres racetrack, Le Mans in 1908:

http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c309/india42/IMG_3521a.jpg

but I discovered that windriver had previously posted a sketch (http://www.pprune.org/3037927-post385.html) which is clearly derived from the Le Mans photo:

http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c309/india42/89h6np.jpg


All of my photos are taken from a really good book, which I was given some time ago, but only recently got around to reading - "On Great White Wings - The Wright Brothers and the Race for Flight" by Fred Culick and Spencer Dunmore, McArthur and Company, Toronto, 2001.

Over to you in Sunny Alberta.

evansb
18th Oct 2009, 15:45
Thanks Simon. Yes, sunny and windy today. Determining the Wright 'B' model was easy, the pilot's name and type of cargo not so easy. Why was silk such a time sensitive material? I read about express trains carrying silk in the early 1900s as well. What was the rush? Back on track, here is the next mystery cockpit:
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/WCP091018.jpg

Kitbag
18th Oct 2009, 19:07
8 engines, civilian airliner type crew from late 40's early 50's. Got to admit I'm having trouble working out what's outside the windows.
Is it an artist impression of the Spruce Goose, Hughes H4?

sycamore
18th Oct 2009, 19:14
Or a civil version of the B-52 ?