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Dave_Jackson
15th Sep 2007, 04:48
The American Helicopter Society's Current News;
2007: Centennial of the Helicopter? (http://helicopter-history.org/)

Interesting article in the above.
Engineering Analysis of the 1907 Cornu Helicopter (http://helicopter-history.org/Cornu/Cornu_LJpaper.pdf) by Dr. Gordon Leishman


Is 2007 the Centennial? http://www.unicopter.com/Argue.gif

:)

Graviman
15th Sep 2007, 08:52
Good paper on Paul Cornu, Dave. Might give me a refresh from revision...

slowrotor
16th Sep 2007, 17:55
If the Cornu helicopter could not have flown according to Leishman, then who was first to fly?

Interesting article. Thanks Dave

Fred Bound
16th Sep 2007, 18:38
If Cornu has been discredited, then it might be Jacob Ellehammer in 1912.

But, then again......

riff_raff
22nd Sep 2007, 06:32
I'm still laughing about the photo caption on page 3:

"The Cornu's rotary internal combustion engine worked fine, except under load!"

Frankly, I'm not really impressed by who did it first. I want to remember who was the first to do it right.

Dave_Jackson
29th Dec 2007, 07:17
Maybe it Did Fly, or, Maybe it Could Have Flown



Additional Information on Cornu's helicopter:~ Clicking on the linked pages will double their size. ~

Cornu's own technical description in 'History of the Helicopter', [ Page 21 (http://www.unicopter.com/Cornu_1.jpg), Page 22 (http://www.unicopter.com/Cornu_2.jpg), Page 23 (http://www.unicopter.com/Cornu_3.jpg), Page 24 (http://www.unicopter.com/Cornu_4.jpg) ]
Article in the 2001 Fall-Winter edition of of American Helicopter Society's publication Vertiflite.
The title is; Cornu's Helicopter ~ First in Flight? [ Page 54 (http://www.unicopter.com/Cornu_B_1.jpg) & Page 54 (http://www.unicopter.com/Cornu_B_2.jpg) ] by Dr. Gordon LeishmanLeishman's articles, in post #1 and above, look into the validity of Cornu's flight from the perspective of historical documentation and from the more interesting perspective of technical viability.

The Vertiflite article says "The engineering analysis of his concepts conducted in this paper show that Cornu's claim to successful piloted flight with a helicopter is extremely dubious". On page 12 it says ".. the results in Fig.22 show that the installed power required would have need to be about 40 hp".

The craft had an unusual blade planform and it had the advantage of twin-rotors. Out of curiosity, I therefore took the specifications from Leishman's articles and from Cornu's own technical description. The data was inserted into Prouty's Momentum Theory and into his Blade Element Theory. The pitch was set at an optimal 9º and the RPM of the rotors was increased until the thrust equaled the gross weight. Surpassingly, the power required in hover by MT is 21.52 hp and by BET it is 20.98 hp.

The motor produced 24 hp, therefore, it appears that the craft was capable of flying; if the belt was not slipping.

The interesting technical question then became, why does the knowledgeable and respected Professor Leishman feel that the craft would not fly while conventional MT and BET says that it would have?


Leishman's argument to show that Cornu's helicopter could not have flown with its 24 hp engine;

1/ He uses Momentum Theory, in which he shows that the Power Required (ideal) to hover is 14.7 hp.

2/ He then says; "we could expect the aerodynamic efficiency of the rotors to be no more than 50% (a figure of merit or 0.5) leading to a power required of about 30 hp."

3/ He then says; "Cornu also used an inefficient belt and pulley system to drive the rotors...." and ".... a conservative estimate of transmission losses, for Cornu to hover his machine free of the ground the installed power required would need to have been about 40 hp." This is an efficiency loss of 25%.


My counter argument to show that it could have flown;

1/ This is OK; with reservations.


2/ Leishman's figure of merit of 0.5 is exceptionally low; for the following reasons.a/ Cornu's rotor blade places the lift out near the tip, in the region of higher velocities.Prouty has mentioned the advantage of reverse taper.Sikorsky's recent patent for its X2 blade has the widest chord out nearer the tip.b/ There is nothing, that I can find, which suggests that Cornu's blades are particularly inefficient, particularly at their low air speeds.c/ The lack of a tail rotor should improve the FOM by up to 10%.d/ In a discussion about Ct/sigma on this forum last year it was shown that increasing the chord and decreasing the velocity over the blade will decrease the required power. Ref. Large Chord & Low Tip Speed (http://www.unicopter.com/1090.html) This suggests that the FOM should be well above 0.5.3/ Leishman's power loss of 25% is exceptionally high; for the following reasons.a/ The Cornu's family business was building bicycles. Therefore, they must have been very cognizant of bearing friction and transmission losses. In fact Cornu state; "all rotating parts, including the propellers, are installed on rollers". b/ Outside sources state that flat belts are more efficient than V-belts. In addition, the use of flat belts was well known 100 years ago, since manufacturing plants powered their machinery by flat belts from overhead line-shafts.This suggests that the power loss should be less than 10%.Cornu may, or may not, have flown, however it appears to me that he could have.


Does anyone wish to expand on the pros and cons regarding the viability of flight?


Dave

slowrotor
29th Dec 2007, 17:46
The engine appears to be a V-8. It is possible the engine had more power than the designer stated. An analysis of the engine and the displacement, compression ratio and fuel used would be needed.
slowrotor

Graviman
29th Dec 2007, 18:01
Dave, i'm only just printing off the paper. :\ I'm also planning to read Leishman's book this year. I'd be interested to know more about your rotor spreadsheet - like could i have a copy? ;)

Although the rotor will be operating near to stall, the FM of 0.5 is probably about right. The ideal blade taper planform for hover has chord inversely proportional to radius, which these aren't. X2 likely chose it's planform to avoid reverse flow aerofoil divergence, and will have been optimised for cruise not hover.

Besides the work on aerofoil section optimisation for laminar flow had only just been done by Ludwig Prandtl (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ludwig_Prandtl), so was not widely known. These blades are flat, so will transition at a low reynolds number - ie they are draggy.

The final difficulty in all of these designs seems to be controlablity. The small radius rotors is a hint at the future difficulty of providing sufficient structural stiffness in a rotor blade, only later overcome by Cierva...


Slowrotor, to estimate engine power it should be thought of as a pump. For this era, assume the valve timing was about right for the RPM chosen, but had no acoustic boost from exhaust or inlet. So you can get power from ideal volume flow, hence mass flow, hence power for ideal stoichiometric (14:1 by mass). Assume overall efficiency between 10% to 20% to get useable shaft horsepower.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Petrol#Energy_content


I'll read the paper over the next day or so to provide more useful feedback.

Dave_Jackson
29th Dec 2007, 21:10
slowrotor,

Wow!

There is a lot of information on the Web about his engines, and it is very impressive. Not only did he invent the V8 engine, he also used direct fuel injection. Of specific interest to aircraft is the statement "Its power-to-weight ratio was not surpassed for 25 years."


Mart,

Perhaps unfortunately, it not a simple spreadsheet. The algorithms are from pages 69-72 of Prouty's main book. These algorithms, plus more, were incorporated into a large Microsoft Access database and linked to many tables. I have previously looked at pulling a copy of it out of the database, however I never did because it would take many days of work.

I'm not ready to accept Leishman's 0.5 FoM. In addition, this FoM sits on top of the simplistic Momentum Theory (Actuator Disk).

You mention;
"The ideal blade taper planform for hover has chord inversely proportional to radius, which these aren't." True but, this is the remark from Prouty, page 649. He is talking about aerodynamic performance in hover and vertical climb. "(Some preliminary studies indicate that perhaps inverse taper holds some promise in this regard.)"


Dave

flyer43
29th Dec 2007, 21:28
No competition for the first one to pilot a helicopter, but the website might well be a challenge to many of you as it is written entirely in French by Pescara's son.
There are some interesting technical notes and a number of pictures of his machine, which it is hard to believe actually flew. However, we all owe him very much as I believe he was possible the first to tackle the complex task of varying the pitch of the rotating blades and the direction of tilt of the whole rotor system.

http://www.pateras-pescara.net/helicopter.html

Graviman
2nd Jan 2008, 14:28
Interesting Article Flyer43. Until Louis Breguet made his return, Marquis Raul Pateras Pescara certainly made the most convincing advances.

Dave, i think the Leishman calcs for helicopter performance stand, but i question the quoted 24 SHP of that V8 Antoinette engine. This site gives 50 SHP for a later version of the V8:
http://www.hydroretro.net/etudegh/antoinette.pdf

Wikipedia is not so useful here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/V8#History

This site talks about the 24CV Antoinette engine.
http://www.eurocopter.com/bourget/internet/news.php?id=20

The problem here is that in france there used to be some strange system for "CV" that has an indirect relation to SHP:
http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cheval-vapeur

Dave_Jackson
5th Jan 2008, 00:20
Mart (Graviman)Dave, i think the Leishman calcs for helicopter performance standI still have doubts.

Unquestionably, Leishman is a very knowledgeable Aerodynamicist. However, my previous experience in power transmission equipment probably exceeds his.
The Cornu rotor blades are very different from today's conventional blades. The Blade Element Theory, with its recognition of chord and root cutout, is much better than the simple Momentum Theory used by Leishman.
The actual HP of the Antoinette engine is an unknown. However, perhaps on the eastern shores of the Atlantic they don't use so much snake-oil in their engines. :uhoh:Maybe it all has too do with;
French fries ~ Freedom fries
Fur flies
:D

Graviman
5th Jan 2008, 19:35
Dave, i think then we both have reasonable doubt about the Cornu rotorcraft never getting airborn. I agree about belts having good possibility, and certainly Cornu paid them a lot of attention to avoid slipping - It was more an achilles heel.

The interesting part for me was Leishman's estimate of Ct/Sigma of 0.684. This seems to imply that the rotor was operating close, if not into, stall upon startup. At the very least the rotor was well into overpitching. Most likely Cornu had some successful moments, but the overpitching meant it was not repeatable enough to be caught on camera. A great shame. Pity too that he never continued development, with say lower disk loading.

Could you share some of your simulation results? I'm interested in seeing why you dissagree with Leishman's findings.

Dave_Jackson
5th Jan 2008, 21:57
Mart,

At the bottom of this page are the forms that you are asking for. Helicopter - Outside - Coaxial - Cornu, Paul, 1907 - First flight (http://www.unicopter.com/1605.html)

The interesting part for me was Leishman's estimate of Ct/Sigma of 0.684 Yes it is interesting. I will look into it, also.
_________________

Leishman's latest book The Helicopter: Thinking Forward, Looking Back (http://www.kionastore.com/product_info.php?cPath=7_15&products_id=304) was ordered last month.

Last night, I came across a review of this book. You will find this review interesting. http://www.rusi.org/downloads/assets/Cansdale_0207_RDS.pdf


Dave

Dave_Jackson
5th Jan 2008, 23:07
Mart,

Leishman's estimate of Ct/Sigma of 0.684 is based on a rotor speed of 85 rpm. My calculations are based on a rotor speed of 218 rpm, which is obtainable if the engine and belt work to expectations.

Dave

Graviman
8th Jan 2008, 11:45
Dave,

I had a reread of Prouty Blade element theory with tip correction last night. I'm a bit confused because your spreadsheet looks like just momentum theory with the assumption of 0.7 FM. I don't understand how this proves Leishman's 0.5 FM wrong? :confused:

I'll overlook the Lycoming O-235 producing 105.2HP too. ;)


Delta3,

I may not get the chance to read Leishman as thoroughly as he deserves this year, since i am supposed to be getting up to speed on differential geometry for my Physics final year project! I'll have the book on standby though so i can refer to any pages or equations you might reference.

That book Dave points out looks interesting too. Clearly X2 has already answered any concerns about speed limitations. It might be a useful engineer's guide for general performance calculations / parameters.

Dave_Jackson
8th Jan 2008, 20:48
Mart,I'm a bit confused because your spreadsheet looks like just momentum theory with the assumption of 0.7 FM. I don't understand how this proves Leishman's 0.5 FM wrong? :confused:
There are four forms, One is Momentum Theory. The FORM: Flight Hovering says at the top 'Combined Momentum & Blade Element Theory w/ Empirical Corrections'

Yes you are correct in that the Figure of Merit only applies to the FORM: Momentum Theory. If a FM of .5 had been used the HP by Momentum Theory would be 15 hp * 2 rotors = 30 hp. However, I have been questioning Leishman's low FM of 0.5, particularly when Momentum Theory includes the 10% power loss of a tail rotor, which does not exist on the Cornu.

Discussing the Blade Element Theory;
Due to Cornu's large cutout and wide chord, I felt that his helicopter's aerodynamic performance might also be considered as four small hang-glider wings. In addition, Cornu's the mechanical driving of the '4 wings' would be more efficient than the aerodynamic transmission from the propeller to the wings on a hang glider.

This assumption of mine may be wrong. It appears that the top speed of a modern empowered hang-glider is 90 fps, and the speed of a sailplane is somewhere around 150 fps. whereas at 0.75R on Cornu's 'wings' (blades) the speed at 24 hp would be 180 fps. Of course, a hovering Cornu does not need to consider the parasitic drag of the pilot and engine etc.

Another piece of information is the ongoing work on the Ultralight Side-by-side Electrotor. This page shows the power calculations using the same Prouty algorithms. (http://www.unicopter.com/1475.html) It is showing that it will require about 22 hp to lift 550 lbs.

All very interesting.

Dave

Graviman
10th Jan 2008, 11:42
Dave,

So basically your model of combined blade element and momentum method predicts an FM of 0.7. This depends on the Cl vs AOA and Cd vs AOA graphs used (not shown). The general wisdom is that Cl/Cd for a flat aerofoil is lower than for a fat aerofoil. FM of 0.5 still feels reasonable to me.

The root cutout may not have a significant effect, as you say. This may be why Sikorsky/Schweizer opted to use this to avoid reverse flow divergence. I would not have thought that it would increase FM, however.

The book looks interesting, and i'll likely get a copy for reference. I think X2 has already answered Leishman's concerns about high speed rotorcraft development though. I note, with interest on another thread, that BERP IV allows the Merlin EH101 to get to 199Kts - this is worth watching...

slowrotor
10th Jan 2008, 12:52
Dave,
You could put Cornu's design into the X-Plane helicopter design simulator and see if it flies and how much power is required.
X-Plane uses blade element theory.

Dave_Jackson
10th Jan 2008, 19:33
Mart, you saySo basically your model of combined blade element and momentum method predicts an FM of 0.7. It's not MY model. It is the 21 steps directly from pages 69 to 72 in Prouty's book, as previously mentioned. You may wish to read throught the 21 steps.

This depends on the Cl vs AOA and Cd vs AOA graphs used (not shown). I selected the 8-H-12 profile, as shown on the forms.

The general wisdom is that Cl/Cd for a flat aerofoil is lower than for a fat aerofoil.? The Cornu airfoil is cambered.


slowrotor,
Thanks for the thought of using X-plane.

Blade Element Theory is a standard method; perhaps with some users tweaking it a little. One concern might be that it was developed for larger helicopters and it may not scale down well to the very small helicopters.

Dave

Graviman
11th Jan 2008, 09:54
Dave, old boy, not having a go at you - this is a good piece of analysis. I'm just applying critique honed from years of looking at this sort of problem. Part of my job is to determine whether my own analysis is in error. :ok:

What is mean by "flat aerofoil" is that the Cornu design was fabric stretched over structure. I do not know whether 8-H-12 profile captures the flat, but cambered, section accurately - lets assume that it does. What the Ray Prouty model will not catch is the local turbulence caused by structure exposed to the airflow.

Also there is the Reynolds number factor. Most pioneers of this era (including the Wright brothers) did wind tunnel testing on small models, but found that it did not scale up to a large structure. This is because flow transitions from laminar to turbulence the same distance along a surface, so does not scale with the model to actual.

What i am basically saying is that the Cd vs AOA will likely be higher than the data suggests...

Dave_Jackson
14th Jan 2008, 05:33
Mart, please.

Part of my job is to determine whether my own analysis is in error. Is this unique to you?

flat, but cambered And your dictionary is....?

What the Ray Prouty model will not catch is the local turbulence caused by structure exposed to the airflow. Have you read your Prouty, page 7?

Most pioneers of this era (including the Wright brothers) did wind tunnel testing on small models, but found that it did not scale up to a large structure. Are you saying that Cornu did not fly his model?
Are you saying that he was ignorant of scaling?

than the data suggests.. And that data is?


Momentum Theory,
which Leishman used to evaluated Cornu's helicopter, considers a rotor disk that has; ideal twist, constant chord, no cutout, and a consistent induced velocity across the surface of the disk. As you can see from the pictures, Corn's rotors are about as far as one can get from the momentum theory actuator disk.

IMHO, perhaps a better means of evaluating Cornu's rotor would be to consider the lift and drag etc. of four small trike wings at a mean 'forward' velocity.

Leishman may be correct or he might be incorrect, however, opposing technical critiques are better than hasty conjecture.

Dave

Graviman
14th Jan 2008, 15:12
Dave, the 8H12 aerofoil does not look like the one that Cornu used, whatever the terminology:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/f/fa/HE2G8.jpg
http://rotaryforum.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=11833&d=1118460364
http://rotaryforum.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=11834&d=1118460399

From this thread:

http://rotaryforum.com/forum/showthread.php?p=66738


Momentum Theory,
which Leishman used to evaluated Cornu's helicopter, considers a rotor disk that has; ideal twist, constant chord, no cutout, and a consistent induced velocity across the surface of the disk. As you can see from the pictures, Corn's rotors are about as far as one can get from the momentum theory actuator disk.


Which would be why he chose a sensible Figure of Merit of 0.5. He also justifies this choice with typical FM values throughout the century.

In 1907 hardly anyone knew about either Reynold Number scaling or about Prandtl aerofoil theory. In fact few understood how to build a flying machine. Cornu's accomplishment was impressive regardless or not of whether it hovered long enough to be photographed.

Several potentially useful applets:
http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/2524/nvfoil/nvfoilen.html
http://www.mh-aerotools.de/airfoils/javafoil.htm

Dave_Jackson
14th Jan 2008, 17:35
Graviman

The 8-H-12 was use because it is one of the few airfoils that have been coded into my database.


Telling you that the use of FM is only practical when comparing similar rotors would be boring, because you have probably read it written by so many other rotor aerodynamicists.

However, let Leishman tell you in his own words: "Because the FM is a function of many interdependent parameters, it is only useful as a comparative quantity when using rotors of the same equivalent solidity and operating at the same disk loading; it cannot be used to compare efficiencies of substantially different types of rotors, a common error in its application."


Now that I have answered your questions, please answer mine above!

Dave

Graviman
15th Jan 2008, 10:18
Dave, Leishman has stated that he believes the Cornu Helicopter required 30HP to hover. So it could not have hovered using the 1907 Antoinette V8 engine quoted at 24CV. My only disagreement is whether the 24CV quoted is actually 24HP.

The 1908 Antoinette V8 is quoted at 50CV, so even if Cornu did not actually hover in 1907 he came damn near close.

slowrotor
15th Jan 2008, 15:19
Dave,
Cornu was probably operating at a much lower tip speed. I notice todays aero guys (Prouty) assume the usual high tip speeds. As you know low tip speed requires less power. Did Leishman account for tip speed?

Dave_Jackson
15th Jan 2008, 20:24
Graviman,My only disagreement is whether the 24CV quoted is actually 24HP.
cheval-vapeur (550 ft.lb/s)[GB] 745,6999 watt (W)
cheval-vapeur (métrique) 735,499 watt (W)

The above came from a friend in France, who coincidently co-wrote a small book on helicopters for children. This book was commissioned by Eurocopter for the celebration of 100 years of the helicopter.
________________

You spoke of scaling therefore the following may be of interest.

Additional Information on the Ability of the Cornu Helicopter to Hover in Ground Effect:

The Cornu Model: Leishman, in his latest article, has stated that "a model weighing up to 18 kg (40 lb) lifted by a 2 hp engine driving two contra-rotating rotors - was to make several sustained flights, in both hover and forward flight, and with many witnesses to the event." This is 20 lb/hp.
The Flettner 282 Intermeshing: "It was capable of lifting 16 lbs. per horsepower - a figure not attained to this day by any of the modern helicopters." ["this date" - unknown]

The 282 had a GW of 2202 lbs and a 160 hp engine.
The 282 had an Intermeshing configuration and this configuration has a Thrust/Power efficiency that is meaningfully below the Side-by-side configuration.
The twin Rotor Factor for my SynchroLites and UniCopters in the Access database is 1.39 +/-. To hover out of ground effect.
16 lbs per hp * 1.39 = 22.24 lbs per hp. To hover out of ground effect.


The Cornu Full-size: 573.3 lb / 24 hp = 23.89 lb/hp. Was this the GW weigh of his 13 November 1907 attempt when the craft was carrying a 121 lb sandbag?I have answered your questions. Would you please answer mine on a previous posting.

_________________________

slowrotor,Cornu was probably operating at a much lower tip speed.This is very true. Leishman used the Momentum Theory, which does not consider RRPM, plus other relevant criteria.

IMHO, Leishman, appears to be very knowledgeable when it comes to conventional rotor and blade aerodynamics. However his knowledge of configurations, other than the single rotor (and tilt-rotor) appears to be minimal, at best.

Stepniewski was probably the most knowledgeable person on the pros and cons of the various rotorcraft configurations.

____________

The latest issue of Vertiflite, Winter 2007, has another article by Leishman entitled 'Paul Cornu and His 1907 Helicopter: A Postscript'.


Dave

Graviman
15th Jan 2008, 21:06
Dave, for a moment of peace:


Is this unique to you?

No, i believe Martians analyse themselves very carefully too.


And your dictionary is....?

Somewhere under the pile of helicopter books.


Have you read your Prouty, page 7?

Yes, i have dutifully read the entire book. My memory occasionally needs refreshing, and has been so for pages 69-72.


Are you saying that Cornu did not fly his model?

As i wasn't there i can't say. All of the evidence seems to indicate that he was very close to success, but was a little ahead of his time.


Are you saying that he was ignorant of scaling?

The Wright brothers did not initially know about Reynolds number scaling for turbulent flow, nor did many pioneers of the era. I doubt Cornu realised initially either. Aerodynamics has come a long way since.


And that data is?

As stolen from C. Beaty on the linked thread for 8H12 aerofoil.


What i am saying is that you have come to the conclusion about Cornu's machine having a rotor FM of 0.7 by using a modern aerofoil. Since the actual aerofoil would not have given the same lift/drag performance then this conclusion is wrong. I am more inclined to believe Leishman's estimate of an FM of 0.5. If you allow the pulley system to work without slippage this still means the helicopter was slightly underpowered.

The final proof of how close Cornu got is that photo of the rear of the machine in the air, but there are no photos of sustained hover. There were likely moments of occasional wheels off hover from gusts of wind, but it appears it would not quite sustain a hover.

Still an achievement for 1907.

Dave_Jackson
1st Sep 2009, 21:11
Another version of the paper 'Engineering Analysis of the 1907 Cornu Helicopter' by Gordon Leishman and Bradley Johnson has been published in the July 2009 issue of the 'Journal of the America Helicopter Society.' It attempts to strengthen the 'engineering' side of their argument.

However, the paper's claim that "the engineering analysis described in this article is unequivocal." is a little over the top, particularly when they make a number of assumptions. My questioning relates to their assumptions of; a Figure of Merit of 0.5, and a Transmission Efficiency of 0.75.

This figure of merit is based on the craft having flat blades, whereas pictures show that the blades are undercambered. Secondly, calculations show that wide-chord, slow turning rotors improve efficiency. Thirdly, Cornu used the side-by-side configuration, which is the most efficient arraignment for hover. IMHO, a meaningfully higher FM is more reasonable.

The power transmission from motor to rotors was by flat-belt. Flat-belt were a well-known and much-used means of transmitting power in machine shops, including Cornu's shop. Today's flat-belts are capable of efficiencies up to 0.98, therefore it could be assumed that the one-minute long eliminations of the belt slippage would have temporarily increased the power at the rotors.

There is nothing to indicate that Paul Cornu did not achieve short-term vertical flight.

Perhaps, his disappointment regarding the Deutsch Archdeacon Grand Prix, and disenchantment with the future potential for his current design caused him to refrain from further promotion, and return to engineering and patenting improvments, such as a continuously variable swashplate system.


Could this be-
_ 'French fries' _ http://www.unicopter.com/Boxing.gif _ 'Freedom fries'


http://www.unicopter.com/RollLaugh_2.gif

Graviman
2nd Sep 2009, 11:42
Dave,

I think this is an example of an idea being of its time...

To work the helicopter needs more than just enough power to enter hover in ground effect. It needs a surplus of power for control, since there are no ailerons to suck manouvreing power from flying speed. It also needs to have an element of stability (often supplied by the pilot) but this is as much for confidence in the machine as for performance. Finally the aerodynamics for helicopters are just much more complicated than for seized wing aircraft.

Like i say, whatever the exact calculations Cornu came close enough to warrant the credit for the first flyable helicopter - even if this was only a gusty hop. From the power point of of view he was only seperated by 1 year from achieving sustained hover.

It would be a shame to think that he was discouraged from further development, but like i say helicopters are complicated. He may just have realised that there were many more issues than just having hover power on tap from the engine. It's quite likely that he continued to think about future developments from what he learned - it would be interesting to find out what he documented (including the patent on continously variable swashplate) although his home was destroyed in 1944 so little probably survived.

Paul Cornu - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Cornu)

Dave_Jackson
2nd Sep 2009, 14:21
Hi Mart,

Here is Cornu's swashplate.

http://www.unicopter.com/Temporary/Cornu_Swashplate.gif

French Patent No. 398,545, June 7, 1909.

Dave

Graviman
4th Sep 2009, 11:21
Clever chap - control system pioneer too.

It's a pity there was no internet to publicise his innovations... ;)

Dave_Jackson
31st Oct 2012, 23:33
Leishman has produced another paper (2012), which is; Performance Measurements of a 1/6-Scale Model of the 1907 Cornu Rotor (http://www.unicopter.com/CornuAndRevisionistHistory.pdf).

In it Dr. Gordon Leishman says; ”Engineering challenges to the claims of a successful piloted first flight of the Cornu helicopter in 1907 have been made, first by Boulet (Ref. 8) and then by Leishman (Refs. 9–12). Based on engineering arguments, it has been shown that the power required for Cornu’s machine to have flown successfully would have significantly exceeded the rated power of the 24-hp Antoinette engine that Cornu had installed in his machine.”



Counter Argument:

Boulet provided specifications on the craft but no engineering. In addition, his information on Cornu came from Cornu’s article in L’Aerophile of 15 April 1908 (http://wwww.archive.org/stream/larophile16besa/larophile16besa_djvu.txt). Therfore Leishman is the sole source of “engineering challenges”.

Leishman used Boulet's (Cornu's) specifications, which have little information on the airfoil, to build a 1/6th scale approximation of one rotor. This rotor was then placed on a test stand and data was acquired.

The data was then used to give a Power Correction Factor of 2.208. This remarkably high value is in stark contrast with “For preliminary design, most helicopter manufacturers use their own measurements and experience to estimated values of the Induced Power Correction Factor, a typical value being about 1.15.” Airplane wings and bird wings are also slightly above 1.0.

In contrast to this, Cornu built a complete model helicopter that was 2-1/2 times the size of Leishman's, and then flew it. He then built his full-size craft based on the success of his model. Cornu’s model will obviously be significantly more indicative of the full-size craft then Leishman’s model.


Cornu’s helicopter may, or may not, have lifted a man out of ground effect. However IMO, Leishman’s critique, using questionable data and algorithms that are inappropriate for Cornu's type of rotor, will not revise history.


Leishman's Argument. (http://www.helicopter-history.org/french.html)
A Counter Argument. (http://www.unicopter.com/CornuVsRevisionistHistory.html)


Dave