View Full Version : 212 and 412 mid-air in Spain
check
15th Aug 2007, 20:15
News report (Spanish)
http://www.ideal.es/almeria/prensa/20070815/local_almeria/helicopteros-chocan-cuando-sofocaban_20070815.html
http://www.ideal.es/almeria/prensa/fotos/200708/15/007D3ALM-LLL-P1_1.jpg
check
15th Aug 2007, 20:43
Something went wrong when I replied to a post from Aser. His original post gave a Spanish report link and it's now gone. Gremlins or what!
Don't know where it went wrong.
Heliport
15th Aug 2007, 20:47
Aser deleted the thread.
If a thread originator does that, any replies go with it.
Heliport
Now everything is ok :E
more photos?
Thanks Check.
A 412 came in on top of him and put his bucket through the rotors. The 412 landed afterwards, even after meshing blades with the 212, but I don't know what happened yet to the 212 driver.
The 412 was single pilot and likely had a massive blind spot.
Phil
Video:
http://www.canalsur.es/resources_inf/archivos/2007/8/15/11871819190252helicoptero.rm
:ooh:
Pilot DAR
17th Aug 2007, 01:44
Though it really is not too important, other than to those involved (whom I hope are okay), isn't the chopper in the pool a Bell 205, not a 212?
It now appears they were both 412s.
phil
CS-Hover
24th Sep 2007, 08:18
anything to do with this??
http://i232.photobucket.com/albums/ee281/KA32A/412.jpg
CGWRA
24th Sep 2007, 13:32
well the one in the pool is either a 212 or 205
forget
24th Sep 2007, 13:47
well the one in the pool is either a 212 or 205
With 4 blades?
Good Vibs
24th Sep 2007, 18:21
The one blade you can see is definately not a 412 blade. Too wide, no taper.
Looks more like a 205 or 212 blade.
There is a stream of water being sprayed onto the a/c from the left hand side of the photo.
Who knows the correct registrations & operators.
Mmm...I'd probably change the 'definately not' to 'possibly not' or even 'definately is'......real quick before anyone see's it....;);)
In all fairness though, guys that actually saw the wreck happen thought it was a 212 at first...If you study the small picture, you'll see a blade stub sticking out 90 degrees from the whole blade that's visible...
Just checked with friend in the know in Spain and one was a FAASA 412 and the other was a Helisureste 412.
Good Vibs
25th Sep 2007, 09:23
Time will tell, when more information comes out. Cause & type, etc.
But I will say again that it does not look like a 412 blade.
No taper, very thick, straight edge on the tip. All different from the 412 which is thin, tapered & rounded at the tip.
It seem that one can make out the left hand engine intake just above the water level, which is of course 212/412 & not 205.
Always hard to i/d after a crash with bent & battered pieces lying in water & foam.
God Vibs - I can tell you for a FACT it was two 412s. My info came from the management of one of the companies involved, and I am pretty sure they know what hit what.
Just my 0.02 cents worth.
212bushman
25th Sep 2007, 10:36
Some points noticed from "CS-HOVER's" KA 32 lifting 412 pic.
Does the 412 have a skidd assy ?
The bambi bucket used as a drogue, if it were the accident bucket, does not appear to be to chewed up /damaged for something that may have gone into a spinning rotor !? :hmm:
212bm
Good eyes Bushman...It in fact does have a skid assy but it's mostly inside the cabin. ;)...
Good Vibs.....The machine in the water is a 412...Trust me on this. I don't want to go into it until the investigation is complete. But here's a closer shot...
Note the ' Electric Hat ' floating in the oil slick...
212 Bushman....The bambi slid into the disk of the lower aircraft from the right side and the contact was with the bambi support cables.The actual bambi itself passed underneath the disk. Your correct in that it was used it as a drogue, just because we had nothing else handy at the time. It worked well enough if you look at the video...Amazing stuff speed tape ;-))
http://i232.photobucket.com/albums/ee281/KA32A/closershot.jpg
212bushman
26th Sep 2007, 03:57
Wholly sweet mother ! If he didn't have the luck of plonking down into that pool, I'd recon it would have burnt onwards to end up looking like the Pacific 212 in Afghanistan.
Still not much to salvage though. :)
212bm
Good Vibs
26th Sep 2007, 17:18
I Stand Corrected.
xtremalsound
26th Sep 2007, 22:16
Hi guys: I was flying in this wildfire, the problem was the 412's pilot put his bambi on the main rotor of the 212 helicopter. the 212 was carry up water in the small lage and after that the two helicopter fell one on the lage and other on the ground
tecpilot
27th Sep 2007, 08:14
Sadly we all know there are no new accidents.
Some years ago a load of water was released exactly overhead an other fire fighting helicopter, knocking him down, or in Germany two spraying helicopters collided straight ahead during the approach to the same refueling place.
The main problem as we all know COMMUNICATION and procedure regulation.
It's mostly our own attitude.