FLYBE 2008 sponsorship

[aftab]

To all those looking for sponsorship!! (ish)

Flybe is delighted to offer a part sponsorship scheme for trainee pilots. Selected applicants will benefit from a successful formula developed over the last twelve years and aimed at providing high quality First Officers to work on the Dash 8 Q400 fleet. The Airline will make a substantial contribution towards the cost of a full JAA Integrated Course conducted by Cabair at Cranfield and Valencia.

http://www.cabair.com/sponsorship/index.htm

Good luck to all that that apply.

[4KBeta]

I have been looking at applying for this over the last week. I realise it is a great chance to get help with costs, but what worried me is what are the chances of moving on from the Q400 after the compulsory 5 years?

Has anyone had experience flying the Q400? Comments?

All comments welcome,

Thanks

[Biggles_77]

Can anyone (maybe someone who actually got through this scheme last year / or year before) tell me what FlyBe FO's earn per annum on the Dash 8 Q400? - Thinking of applying but would'nt mind knowing what will be coming in & going out ? - what you were left with after all training loan payments were taken out ?

[camel toe]

Comments re the Q400

From a good friend of mine "it's a sod to land"

[AlphaMale]

I looked at it last year, I don't think the pay would really leave you with much of a life for the first 5 years of working as a FO. The feeling I got from some experienced airline pilots was to just pay my own way via modular (no debt) and start applying to airlines.

Pay is somewhere between £25k and £30k? or so I am told.

Good luck to all that apply. :ok:

[Maude Charlee]

Take home £1800-1900 per month year 1, and all training costs paid by the company - no reduction in your pay to repay bond.

Q400 just a big pussy cat, the landing difficulties are a myth. :E

No need to strees about the pay, 18 months - 2 years max and you can expect jet FO position or a command and a significant increase in take home.

[mattkcraven]

Applicants must meet the following requirements :
Be able to demonstrate clear commitment, loyalty and a passion to fly.
Have the unrestricted right to work in the UK.
Have an absolute minimum of two A levels, to include Mathematics and Physics (or science based subjects)
Hold, or be capable of holding, a UK issued JAA Class 1 Medical Certificate.
Have no more than 60 hours of previous flying experience.No more than 60 hours flying experience!! oh, my bad for enjoying flying and working hard to keep my hours ticking over whilst at university.......but thats clearly not "demonstrating a clear commitment, loyalty and a passion to fly".

Sometimes :ugh:

[anotherspaceman]

but thats clearly not "demonstrating a clear commitment, loyalty and a passion to fly".

Sometimes :ugh:


Not at all. It just makes it more difficult to knock the bad habits out of you.

The MAPS scheme is available to you without the 60 hour restriction. Of course the financial committment/risk is all yours too, just in case you retain to many bad habits

[mattkcraven]

it just makes it more difficult to knock the bad habits out of youBad habits, I know I have plenty, but I do struggle to comprehend that it takes more effort to get rid of those than to learn to fly from 0 hours. Ah well, that decision has been made by pilots and instructors who know the business inside and out, but it makes it no less irritating.

Still, would not have it any other way, flying with my PPL these last few years has been, well......epic! :ok:

[high-hopes]

Not at all. It just makes it more difficult to knock the bad habits out of you.

The MAPS scheme is available to you without the 60 hour restriction. Of course the financial committment/risk is all yours too, just in case you retain to many bad habits

Sitting at 80 hours currently.

Will I be able to discuss this with them and try and ask for a concession, or should I knock a few hours off the logbook ?

I believe I have been taught by competent and experienced JAA instructors, some of which hold the same qualification of the Cabair instructors, issued by the same authority.
Isn't it a bit unfair to say to all the modular PPLs around the country have been given bad habits ?

[bri1980]

Isn't it a bit unfair to say to all the modular PPLs around the country have been given bad habits ?



Yes it most certainly is, but remember that someone above suggested that was the reason, not Flybe themselves.

[littco]

"It just makes it more difficult to knock the bad habits out of you."
Sorry, but that infers that Cabair are above everyone else in their training and teach to a higher standard and everyone else teachs you slack/bad habits! Which is simply not true, Just because you train at Cabair wont automatically make you a better pilot, I don't think that if you train with them you are any better or worse than anybody that has trained any other school ( Don't get me wrong you may well be in some cases ). The fact is that with 60 hours training under your belt (and no doubt a PPL issued )you will have skills, good or bad, which may not be to the style that Cabair train.
I would agree however that it is benefical to both instructor and student if you start with little or no training before hand as you will learn the Cabair way quicker rather than having to adjust your flying skills from what you've already learnt.

[MikadoTrident]

What is the MAPS scheme???

[bri1980]

Mentored Airline Pilot Scheme at a guess

B

[Slow Progress]

I have been looking at this too but I don't have A Levels as i have been working within the Aviation industry straight from school for the last ten years!!

I'm gonna apply anyway and see what happens.

I'm more worried about the 500 word written task that we are to discuss at interview.

Slow Progress

[Philpaz]

Well from looking about over the past year, i think this looks like by far the best scheme i've seen. If i'm reading it right, 42k ish for the full course with a job at the end. Thats modular money for integrated training with a job guarantee! Bargain.

[SingSong]

If you have 200 hours already i would suggest you go and just do your CPL and IR, it'd be far cheaper than forking out 40K and then repaying that and flybe back (for their portion of the costs)

[4KBeta]

Thanks for the comments, took a visit to CabAir a few days ago. I will be applying for the scheme over the next few days. I will let you know if and when they get back to me.

Special thanks for the comments about the Q400 :)

[Biggles_77]

They say essential are 2 A Levels to apply.. I have 1 A level, HND in Computing and Degree in Computing - so I dont meet the A level requirements but have a Degree.. would I get a look in you reckon ?:confused:

[4KBeta]

Bit of a waste to have the HND obviously but either way I am in a similar position and still applying, remember all they can say is no....or yes of course :)

[expedite08]

This will be interesting. Another Sponsorship from Crapair!

They cant even get thier instructor sponsorship sorted so i cant see much hope for this one going anhead! Rumour has it they havent got the staff to teach any of it!

[No. 2]

4K Beta,

As of Autumn last year, a new pay structure has been introduced. For those presently employed at the time this meant a pay rise; however for those new to the company - and I refer only to FOs - the starting salary was actually reduced.. The starting salary from next financial year is due to be £24877, although that figure is inflation-linked and might increase. You'll also earn duty pay of approximately £3000 pa. Flybe will take £320 out of your monthly salary (after tax) for 5 years which equals the original contribution they made. If you leave before the 5 years is up then you pay flybe the outstanding sum.

In terms of progression within those 5 years, the fact that your 'sponsored' has no bearing - you may bid and move fleets like anyone else.

[Gingerbread Man]

Is the FTE Flybe scheme the same as the Cabair one? I haven't exactly heard glowing testimonials about Cabair - they were referred to as scabair by more than one instructor I have flown with, but i'll reserve judgement. The 60hr rule seems a bit of an irritation as well, seeing as 3 weeks ago I was at 57, and now i'm at 75 because, fool that I am, I wanted to keep my licence and did a multi and a night rating so that I had more strings to my bow when I applied for such schemes. As this was all with instructors I really can't see how many bad habits i'll have picked up.

Ginger ;)

[Biggles_77]

Can anyone advise how difficult the maths & physics will be on the selection day for this scheme? - is there alot of numerical reasoning questions ?
Bigs:)

[No. 2]

k7nrw,

They didn't when I went through the scheme - that was your responsibility, and I imagine it still is. However, having a sponsorship made it easier to get a loan of that size.

[No. 2]

I was indeed successful and I'm happy that I got the opportunity. There's a lot of talk on this forum of how you can do it cheaper taking the modular route. Well that's certainly true - but will you have a job waiting for you when you finish? Maybe. Maybe not. You roll the dice and take your chance. If you do the modular course and land yourself a similar - or perhaps better - job at the end, then it'll have worked out in your favour. However, if you're left waiting a long time for a job then maybe you'll think that you should have taken it. There's no right or wrong answer: you decide what you're prepared to spend and the risks you're prepared to take.

Personally, I liked the idea of having a job to go to; not necessarily the best, but certainly a very good start. Had I taken the modular route (which I was prepared to do) then, considering my own circumstances, it would have taken a lot longer to fund and finish the training. So the financial savings of modular over integrated would have soon been lost. (However, I should point out that the sum I paid a few years back was somewhat less than the figure quoted on this year's brochure!)

[osoricos]

Anyone applied and got dates for the first stage assessment yet? It should be this week sometime

[egwechris]

osoricos

Yes - 0800 this Friday. See you there?

[osoricos]

Egwechris

Not this time :(.

How many hours, if any, do you have? I'm wondering if they have set a minimum as well as a maximum

[Biggles_77]

osoricos,
sorry to hear you did'nt get to stage 2 - I too got a no.
I applied for CTC a few yrs back and got to stage 2 but no further - maybe because I put this on my application that I got a no - or maybe because I have 34 hrs flying.. or maybe cause i'm 29. not sure what it was but thought I would get a look-in at stage 2 - oh well.. will defo try for the netjets when it come round. Any ideas on your part why you did'nt get through ?
Bigs:confused:

[egwechris]

osoricos / Bigs
Sorry to hear you didn't get through.
I'm on 55 hours so only just squeezed in. Got my PPL though - maybe that counts in my favour?
I'm 35 so don't think it's an age issue - surprisingly!
Good luck with Netjets etc!:)

[Biggles_77]

Thanks for the reply egwechris. Congrats on getting to stage 2. Let us know how you get on ?
Bigs.

[osoricos]

Bigs, Not heard anything at all. Did you get an e-mail? Now I'm worried they didn't get the form!

[Biggles_77]

osoricos, I had a letter a week ago - last thursday. I'm gutted but will try for another scheme either with FTE or Oxford. Not sure what has happenened to yours but I was sure that most applicants would know one way or the other by now. It may have been lost in the post - did you have proof of posting ?

[osoricos]

Lesson learned, next time use guaranteed next day delivery!!

[FruitSalad]

Hey, today was the last testing day for stage 2, anyone who has any comments/thoughts please share :)

Was interesting meeting and discussing with people in a similar situation, we were given a maths test, then a physics test, then the Pilapt aptitude tests which have been described elsewhere before, I think I might have a word with whoever graded that person and which hand they held the shape in test it was hard!

Find out before Wednesday about stage 3 so it's another lap of sink or swim ;)